Phoenix to move to Auckland (maybe)

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

what i don't understand is that if you were a potential owner why would you even think to move the club to Auckland. What do you think you can do differently than the previously failed entities up there? Let's be very clear, the club hasn't failed in wellington, the owner has.

Normo's coming home

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jesus Footpaul. A comment from Wumbo? You really were bottom of the barelling it.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

I'm making sure this makes the next page as despite what some media and posters have claimed today this is a HUGELY important point.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Oh Robb. Please, please, please can you link that for me... [/QUOTE]

Best I could manage was the thread playwithFire started in response to it:
http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12631&PID=496152#496152

[quote=@WindRainPhoenix (then known as @wgtnphoenixfc)]BREAKING NEWS - Wellington Phoenix sign deal with Auckland Regional Council, 5 home games to be played at North Harbour Stadium next season

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I don't see any harm in gillitrap talking to nz football. Having a contigency plan if Terry goes under is Good footballing sense on the part of nz football.

I don't however think that gillitrap would relocate the Phoenix to Auckland. That is not good business sense.

What is sensible for the business model is to bring at least one game a year to Auckland, Christchurch and one other.

I am staggered that the Phoenix is 4 seasons old and has yet to play an a league game in our biggest city.

If gillitrap can save the Phoenix, then let him. If he wants to take the game to other regions, then we should emrace it

Wellington will still however be home to 90 per cent of games and be the true home for the phoenix AucklandPhoenix2011-05-31 20:11:35

Auckland will rise once more

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'm making sure this makes the next page as despite what some media and posters have claimed today this is a HUGELY important point.

You could move Barcelona to North Harbour, and it would fail. It might not fail at a more central ground. North Harbour is a sh*t stadium in a sh*t location. That doesn't mean an A-League team at Mt Smart is a dead cert loser.
zonknz2011-05-31 20:12:21

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

I am staggered that the Wellington Phoenix is 4 seasons old and has yet to play an a league game in our biggest city.

Now with added reality check
Junior822011-05-31 20:15:53

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The Kingz biggest failures were at Mt. Smart.

So tell us your solution?

They failed in the industrial wasteland that is Penrose, they failed at NHS, so what they play in front of 8,000 max in a 65,000 seat Eden Park? Even the Auckland NPC team aren't keen on that.

Oh, and I reckon NHS is actually quite a good football stadium, albeit in a sh*t location. For all the sh*t location though, this is in the biggest expansion part of Auckland, it has a park and ride that has been expanded 4 times and still isn't large enough so it's hardly the back end of beyond.

I used to leave here at 09:00 in the morning and be on the shore for a game by 17:00. it doesn't matter where it is Aucklanders find a reason not to attend instead of finding a reason to attend.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

I am staggered that the Phoenix is 4 seasons old and has yet to play an a league game in our biggest city.

Exhibit A:

Hard News2011-05-31 20:19:48

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Auckland is gay

I like tautologies because I like them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sauce
terminator_x2011-05-31 21:15:20

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

This message will piss some people off - but please read it all and not concentrate on small sections taken out of context and then answer the final question at the end as thats the main point.

I support NZ football, and through that i support the Wellington Phoenix.

What they have done largely through the great support of the fever can not be taken for granted nor can it be lost.

Herein lies the problem. We can not afford to lose having a team in the A League - its too important to us developing the sport and with Terry at the moment we don't really know what will happen.

If he can not fund the team and the only way to ensure we still have a team in the competition is to move to Auckland then we do it. We re-name it, re-brand and re-market it and adopt the wellington business model.

NZ football can not afford to lose the A League - but it can (and i do hate saying this) afford to lose Terry and the Wellington franchise if someone else comes in from outside the area. We have to have a professional team in NZ... somewhere, Christchurch for example.

These two views to take - one from a local perspective and one from a national perspective and if we are pragmatic / realistic NZF owes it to the future of the game to source all options just in case.

The Kingz / Knights business model failed, not the sport. Done right Auckland could succeed just as well and arguebly better with its population base. Prior to the Phoenix what was happening in the Wellington football scene, what crowds went to see the local team play in the NZ championship. The simple answer is, no more than they got in Auckland.

The phoenix do well largely because of the hard work of supporters (a few particularly drive things) and the business model works. Why can't this model be adapted somewhere else??

I hope Wellington Phoenix survives, that NZ eventually enters a second and third team as the sport grows... but simply put, given the choice of an Auckland team, or no team, the answer is easy. And thats the potential question here, an Auckland A league team or none at all, honestly, what would you prefer?

Oi! Are you from Auckland? And why are you using my picture? Do you know my missus?

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

^ swag.

[Odd Future reference. I'm keepin it real for the kids.]

I like tautologies because I like them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Maybe we should give Auckland a sacrifice - they can have Cozy Cake instead. Never buy a banana cake from Cozy Cake...drier than my grandma's minge

I like tautologies because I like them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I never said their was a solution, and i don't really see one. The A League seems to be designed to rely on sugar daddies, and this was the Knights mistake (not having one).

A well funded team in Auckland is a different proposition to the knights. Like it or not, people love to come see winners - that is a market reality. I find North Harbour a average stadium in the middle of nowhere, which admittedly, is not distinct from the majority of NZ stadiums outside Wellington.

(In multi-tier leagues, this is dealt with via relegation - relegation leads to cheaper prices, which leads to more interest in a league where the team is more likely to win, which helps the gate, which leads to funding which leads to promotion....)
zonknz2011-05-31 20:31:08

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Cosimo wrote:

Maybe we should give Auckland a sacrifice - they can have Cozy Cake instead. Never buy a banana cake from Cozy Cake...drier than my grandma's minge

Yeah,terrible.

Though their sandwiches and custard slices are the best!

Allegedly

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

zonknz wrote:

(In multi-tier leagues, this is dealt with via relegation - relegation leads to cheaper prices, which leads to more interest in a league where the team is more likely to win, which helps the gate, which leads to funding which leads to promotion....)

You mean like Middlesbrough?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Cosimo wrote:

Maybe we should give Auckland a sacrifice - they can have Cozy Cake instead. Never buy a banana cake from Cozy Cake...drier than my grandma's mingeï¿½

Yeah,terrible.

ï¿½

Though their sandwiches and custard slices are the best!

Really? custard slice - whose anatomy is that like?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Om TV3 news tonight , Morrison accused FVH and Giltrap of lying , exact word used. Reporter asked whether the denials from FVH and Giltrap meant anything. Response went something like " well they're not telling the truth" ( typical f...ing politician , too scared to put balls on the block).Reporter's response somethig like- you mean they're lying. Morrison- well , I suppose they are yes.

Exact words I don't remember but the lying was definitely used.

Got home from work to be face with my devastated little boy

Him ( in tears) : Dad, Phoenix is going to Auckland

Me: Not yet it isn't

Him: But we hate Auckland , Dad

Me: ( supressing big grin) Yes , but don't believe everything you read in the paper

Him: But why did it say so then?

Me: The writer just doesn't like Terry very much

Him: So he must one one of those , you know , what you and the Fever guys are always calling the refs at the Phoenix games , what are they , w**kers?

Me; nearly choked on my beer

3 lessons from my son ( he's 9)

1.We hate Aucklnd

2. The Doom post full of crap

3.Burgess is a w**ker

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The Knights had one. Brian Katzen was a loaded South African millionaire they just spent his money badly. He employed idiots to run it.

Likewise the Kingz spent two seasons owned by Sky TV and they were run by idiots.

Don't fall under the illusion that it ws always a cluster-f**k. Hell in the third season they even tried to buy the best team in the league but because they didn't research the people or think about the market they f**ked up. There were at least two occassions where they were as well funded as any side in the competition.

The first Sky season even had reasonable results but the two biggest crowds were still here in Wellington.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jazzman wrote:

Exact words I don't remember but the lying was definitely used.ï¿½

ï¿½

Got home from work to be face with my devastated little boy

Him ( in tears) : Dad,ï¿½ Phoenix is going to Auckland

Me: Not yet it isn't

Him: But we hate Auckland , Dad

Me: ( supressing big grin) Yes , but don't believe everything you read in the paper

Him: But why did it say so then?

Me: The writer just doesn't like Terry very much

Him: So he must one one of those ï¿½, you know , what you and the Fever guys areï¿½ï¿½always callingï¿½ the refs at the Phoenix gamesï¿½, what are they , w**kers?

Me; nearly choked onï¿½my beer

ï¿½

3 lessons from my son ( he's 9)

1.We hate Aucklnd

2. Theï¿½Doom postï¿½full of crap

3.Burgess is a w**ker

ï¿½

We need more parents like you JM!

You have a fine lad.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You have a smart kid there Jazzman!

Allegedly

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Cosimo wrote:

Maybe we should give Auckland a sacrifice - they can have Cozy Cake instead. Never buy a banana cake from Cozy Cake...drier than my grandma's minge

Yeah,terrible.

Though their sandwiches and custard slices are the best!

Really? custard slice - whose anatomy is that like?

well I know not yours - do they sell dog rolls?

I like tautologies because I like them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

only if I'm in the mood.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

zonknz wrote:

You mean like Middlesbrough?

Leeds is actually a really good example of when you get it so badly wrong, how relegation can actually help the club to achieve viability in the mid-term. (Other than them still having that Bates twat in charge, obv.)

(This is now well off topic for obvious reasons - people hate leeds more than auckland.)

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

only if I'm in the mood.

so that's a yes

I like tautologies because I like them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Actually I hate @rsenal more than Auckland

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

they should change the name to Killer Beez

I like tautologies because I like them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I don't hate Auckland. I loved the Kingz and I loved the supporters, had some great times.

The other million plus who never turn up to football games can GGF (except my family, and my wifes family).

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Grandadi wrote:

TouchMe wrote:

*rant of almost midfielder proportions*

Oi! Are you from Auckland? And why are you using my picture? Do you know my missus?

Good point Grandadi.

There's only one you and there's only one LisaKi
*looks at chefmivec*

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Jesus Footpaul.ï¿½ A comment from Wumbo?ï¿½ You really were bottom of the barelling it.

lost all creditability as a journalist tbh

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

I don't hate Auckland.ï¿½ I loved the Kingz and I loved the supporters, had some great times.The other million plus who never turn up to football games can GGF (except my family, and my wifes family).

Here's where 'the knitting circle' has a totally valid point. David - as someone who would travel from Wellington to Auckland to watch games, I'd imagine you'd be in the minority of about 1 hence the dismay felt by many wellingtonians at the thought of the nix moving to Auckland. This is where the premier model works well as it is many times more accessible to the majority of nzers whether in Wellington, Dunedin or Auckland.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Seriously? Do you even read what anybody else says?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Or think before you write?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

CBF reading through the last 10 pages but as a support of the Nix I'd like them to stay in Welly thanks. That city (along with Terry... at least to begin with) deserves max props for making what the Phoenix are now. And plus I enjoy the road trips down there from Auckland with my mates to watch a game or two at the ROF every season!!! Also, would not be keen on a home ground that potentially could be either North Harbour Stadium, Mt Smart or Shambles Park.

COYN! Beijing, China.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Seriously? Do you even read what anybody else says?

So. Much. Deja Vu.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Seriously? Do you even read what anybody else says?

Not sure what you're getting at

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Exactly.

Allegedly

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

And it doesn't need dodgy millionares, either!

*Just millions of $'s of human misery extracted from people with gambling problems, commonly from the parts of society which can least afford it.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Crockett wrote:

That city ... deserves max props for making what the Phoenix are now.

Are you Scouse?

Eh pal, are you going to dat Wellington?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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