So... about that transfer speculation?
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Non-rumour:
Richard Garcia might be looking for one more payday when he comes out of contract at the end of the season. More likely to choose Perth, and possibly crocked for good.
Stripes2012-01-29 13:47:29
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Gourdie just told me on Twitter that Lia is applying with FIFA to switch. Seems unlikely to me they will allow him to switch?
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Maybe we need an International Transfer Speculation v1.0 thread?
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if he somehow gets a waiver we finally have a rb option lol. It is strange (he doesn't even feature in my nix starting 11) but I feel hes contributed enough to NZ and nz football to get a chance. Its not like he moved here with it all planned out. Spent more time here than McGlinchey lol , who was born here but Im pretty sure is scottish by blood and sounds the part too. (moved when he was 9 months??)
raynes2012-01-30 00:26:49
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If an Australian isn't good enough to play for Australia then it shouldn't mean he automatically becomes available for us. Yes it'd be great because it's Vince Lia, but these regulations are in place for a bloody good reason. I'm a New Zealander, I'm not good enough to play for New Zealand, doesn't mean I'm going to go to Niue and play football.
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Gourdie just told me on Twitter that Lia is applying with FIFA to switch. Seems unlikely to me they will allow him to switch?
Yeah, as cool as it'd be, it'd almost annoy me if they allowed it. Rules are rules. I don't see any special reason why he should be allowed. Sadly.
Allegedly
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Non-rumour:
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Richard Garcia might be looking for one more payday when he comes out of contract at the end of the season.� More likely to choose Perth, and possibly crocked for good.
He isn't that great.
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If an Australian isn't good enough to play for Australia then it shouldn't mean he automatically becomes available for us. Yes it'd be great because it's Vince Lia, but these regulations are in place for a bloody good reason. I'm a New Zealander, I'm not good enough to play for New Zealand, doesn't mean I'm going to go to Niue and play football.
Are you good enough to play for Niue? Just wondering.
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Of course, it's much easier in hand-egg; witness Japan's fly-half at the recent World Cup who was about as Japanese as I am.
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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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And as for JV's point about Lia's parentage - well, it's true, I don't know where his parents/grandparents were born, but if any of them had been born in NZ, then Lia would have been automatically eligible to represent NZ without ever setting a foot in this country, and the fact that this is something that's never been mentioned and they're only looking at the 5-year residence rule, suggests that no such parentage exists for Lia.
Fair point sir. I had not considered that. I retract.Grumpy old bastard alert
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Since the transfer speculation has been hijacked and turned into International_Speculation, I will pose this question.
Is Daniel going to get call-up for the AW's for the friendly vs Jamaica?
Is Daniel going to get call-up for the AW's for the friendly vs Jamaica?
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which AWs may get a call up for the 'Nix?
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We're 2nd in the A League, do we need anyone else [tongue firmly in cheek]
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We need a young keeper to train up for the Phoenix 3rd choice? how about Basalaj or Armistead?
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Any foreign player (with the exception of ausis) signed by the nix aged under 30 should be encouraged by nz football to apply for residency on day 1
Auckland will rise once more
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Once of course they have figured out fifas rules
Auckland will rise once more
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Any foreign player (with the exception of ausis) signed by the nix aged under 30 should be encouraged by nz football to apply for residency on day 1
I was looking at this from a different angle, We have 3 players on our books who've come from the UK recently, they must know a younger RB (for example) who would be good enough to make the AWs + phoenix but prob wont crack EPL/England team (same story for Daniel and his south american links).
I don't encourage buying international success etc but if the african and middle eastern nations can do it why not join the game?
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Of course, it's much easier in hand-egg; witness Japan's fly-half at the recent World Cup who was about as Japanese as I am.
That'd be James Arlidge, product of Pakuranga and mate of a mate - he doesn't even live in Japan now either, he plays in England. Total joke, I have no problem with him being white but he's hardly got any ties to Japan beyond playing rugby there for 5 years.
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Back on track, am I right to guess that the January transfer window closes at the end of January? 'Cos that is tomorrow.
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Back on track, am I right to guess that the January transfer window closes at the end of January? 'Cos that is tomorrow.
14th Feb for the A-League.
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Of course, it's much easier in hand-egg; witness Japan's fly-half at the recent World Cup who was about as Japanese as I am.
That'd be James Arlidge, product of Pakuranga and mate of a mate - he doesn't even live in Japan now either, he plays in England. Total joke, I have no problem with him being white but he's hardly got any ties to Japan beyond playing rugby there for 5 years.
Mate I see why he is just a mate of a mate
Auckland will rise once more
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Of course, it's much easier in hand-egg; witness Japan's fly-half at the recent World Cup who was about as Japanese as I am.
That'd be James Arlidge, product of Pakuranga and mate of a mate - he doesn't even live in Japan now either, he plays in England. Total joke, I have no problem with him being white but he's hardly got any ties to Japan beyond playing rugby there for 5 years.
Mate I see why he is just a mate of a mate
He's a mate of a mate because I never grew up in Auckland
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http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/jungschlager-eyes-gcu-extension/44887
"Peter Jungschlager has declared his intention to play on in the Hyundai A-League next season - but whether it is with Gold Coast United remains to be seen."
Played right back a few times this season i think? Thoughts?
raynes2012-01-30 20:57:53
"Peter Jungschlager has declared his intention to play on in the Hyundai A-League next season - but whether it is with Gold Coast United remains to be seen."
Played right back a few times this season i think? Thoughts?
raynes2012-01-30 20:57:53
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http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/jungschlager-eyes-gcu-extension/44887
"Peter Jungschlager has declared his intention to play on in the Hyundai A-League next season - but whether it is with Gold Coast United remains to be seen."
Played right back a few times this season i think? Thoughts?
"Peter Jungschlager has declared his intention to play on in the Hyundai A-League next season - but whether it is with Gold Coast United remains to be seen."
Played right back a few times this season i think? Thoughts?
Yeah he is going to be in hot demand, Clive seems to want his top players contracts to run down and then run a youth squad mixed with has beens on a shoe string budget.
I see Beekmans has gone back to Holland after being released for family reasons, wouldn't blame him if it were for football reasons too!
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Question you have to ask, is he better than Smith? That is who he would be competing against for an import slot.
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True, I'm a fan of Smith but feel awfully worried hes going to miss out (undeservedly) as fans bay for a new "star" signing. Unless you can find an aussie/kiwi in that criteria. Or Greenie goes full time coaching.
raynes2012-01-30 23:16:18
raynes2012-01-30 23:16:18
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Lia is ineligible for the All Whites, he's represented Australia at U23 level while not being eligible for NZ at the time.
NZF is going to have egg on their faces over this.
NZF is going to have egg on their faces over this.
I know of cases in other national teams where players have represented another country at youth level while not being eligible for the country they want to switch to at senior level and FIFA have still allowed them to switch e.g. at least one of the Nigerians who played for Bahrain against the All Whites in 2009: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulla_Baba_Fatadi
Abdulla Baba Fatadi (born on November 2, 1985) is a Nigerian footballer who is a midfielder for Al Jahra. His birth name is Babatunde Fatai.[citation needed] He played for Nigeria under 17 national team in U17 world championship before moving to Bahrain in 2004. He later took on Bahraini nationality to represent the Bahrain national football team. He played for Bahrain U23 and since 2007 playing for the senior Bahraini team.
Also:
Lawrence Awuley Quaye (born 22 August 1984) is a Ghana born naturalized senior Qatar international who played for the Ghana u-18 team while not eligible for Ghana before switching to Qatar in 2010.
FIFA seem to turn a blind eye more for smaller countries but have blocked players switching from (and to) major footballing nations:
"Arteta, a Spaniard playing for Everton, had hoped to represent England but it
transpired he wasn't eligible because he played for Spanish youth teams without
holding a British passport at the time.
Lia, who captained Australia at under-17 and under-20 level, is in the same boat as Arteta and a spokesman for New Zealand Football admitted Article 18.1 might catch them out.
'Ultimately it is up to the Fifa player status committee to decide on the
matter and if a player wants to put his hand up for selection, and the coaching
staff of New Zealand thinks he may add value to the national team then New
Zealand Football will apply to Fifa to hear his case," the spokesman said.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Abdulla is a different case. Back then you could change if you did it before your 21st birthday IIRC, which it sounds like he did.
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Not sure about Lawrence, but it is possible that he changed countries while theold age limit was in place, and then didn't earn a cap until later (2010).
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So it is possible if FIFA approve based on history.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Abdulla is a different case. Back then you could change if you did it before your 21st birthday IIRC, which it sounds like he did.
Same qualification about being eligible for your new country at time of appearances for your previous country was already there in the old statute - it didn't stop some players being granted dispensation.
Here is the relevant section in the old statute:
If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new
nationality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several representative
teams due to nationality, he may, up to his 21
st birthday, and only
once, request to change the Association for which he is eligible to
play international matches to the Association of another country of
which he holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:
(a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official
competition at �A� international level for his current Association,
and at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an
international match in an official competition for his current
Association, he already had the nationality of the representative
team for which he wishes to play.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Is there any one else here who thinks Lia isn't good enough to play for the All Whites?
Nothing against the guy I just don't think he's international standard...
All Whites | Phoenix | Baggies
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http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/jungschlager-eyes-gcu-extension/44887
"Peter Jungschlager has declared his intention to play on in the Hyundai A-League next season - but whether it is with Gold Coast United remains to be seen."
Played right back a few times this season i think? Thoughts?
From what I have seen of Jungschlager this season he is a class act. He will have no trouble being picked up by another club.... not sure that the Nix would want/need him. We have loads of midfielders who Rickie likes. But IMO Jungslager would be better than Brown,Lia Smith IMO.
"Peter Jungschlager has declared his intention to play on in the Hyundai A-League next season - but whether it is with Gold Coast United remains to be seen."
Played right back a few times this season i think? Thoughts?
He won't be at the Nix with the imports coming down to 4 next year.
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Is there any one else here who thinks Lia isn't good enough to play for the All Whites?
Nothing against the guy I just don't think he's international standard...
Would be a good option for a DM (which is an area where we are thin) especially if we were playing games without our European based players. Don't think he would be in a first choice XI though
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Abdulla is a different case. Back then you could change if you did it before your 21st birthday IIRC, which it sounds like he did.
Same qualification about being eligible for your new country at time of appearances for your previous country was already there in the old statute - it didn't stop some players being granted dispensation.
Here is the relevant section in the old statute:
If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new nationality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several representative teams due to nationality, he may, up to his 21st birthday, and only once, request to change the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches to the Association of another country of which he holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:
(a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition at �A� international level for his current Association,and at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition for his current Association, he already had the nationality of the representative team for which he wishes to play.
"An international �A� match is a match arranged between two Members of FIFA and for which both Members field their first representative team."
Although there is a question over the second part of clause a). I guess the questions is whether he actually played at the youth world cup, or whether he was in the squad.
Update....looks like wiki is lies. He wasn't in the 2001 Nigeria U17 squad...
or the 2003 squad..
2ndBest2012-01-31 11:45:48
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Is there any one else here who thinks Lia isn't good enough to play for the All Whites?
Nothing against the guy I just don't think he's international standard...
I guess it would depend really on who you compare him to in the All Whites. In my opinion I feel that he could be a useful addition to the squad generally if it were to happen
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