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Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2012/13

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:
BarryZuckerkorn wrote:
This guy is probably a bit sh*t for us but he's going cheap at least 
 
 
A bit sh*t?????
 
He is a big steaming pile

 but he's only cost his club 5,833,333 pounds per goal! That's better than Torres - he's at 10,000,000!

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Gareth commented on Close-up last night that we need to live within the salary cap.
 
By definition all teams need to live within the salary cap but I interpret what he said to mean that our total salary bill will be within the salary cap i.e. there will be no expenditure above the cap i.e. there will be no marquee(s). He made reference again to the money spent on Kewell and Emmerton as being examples of wasted (my word not his) expenditure.
 
This is quite consistent with what he has said in the past. I guess we'd all like a big name signing but most will appreciate the desire to get the club on a sound financial footing.
 
It does put increased pressure on Herbert to spend more wisely than perhaps he had to in Terry's day and to also be very smart about how he uses the next seasons reduced number of import spots.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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The reduced number of imports has not been confirmed yet as far as I am aware. An article I read the other day claimed it's being discussed at the moment. It also may change to 4 + 1 asian qualified player.
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Any word on the resigning of Danny Sanchez??
 
 
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The commentators for the game on the weekend said that if Lia wants to play for the all whites then he will have to request fifa give him a dispensation to play once he haqs gotten the dual citizenship that is.  I hope that this happens and they can come to an agreement.  I reckon he would be a good squad player for you guys. 
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Big Pete 65 wrote:

 
Abdulla Baba Fatadi (born on November 2, 1985) is a Nigerian footballer who is a midfielder for Al Jahra. His birth name is Babatunde Fatai.[citation needed] He played for Nigeria under 17 national team in U17 world championship before moving to Bahrain in 2004. He later took on Bahraini nationality to represent the Bahrain national football team. He played for Bahrain U23 and since 2007 playing for the senior Bahraini team.
 
Also:
Lawrence Awuley Quaye (born 22 August 1984) is a Ghana born naturalized senior Qatar international who played for the Ghana u-18 team while not eligible for Ghana before switching to Qatar in 2010.
 
FIFA seem to turn a blind eye more for smaller countries but have blocked players switching from (and to)  major footballing nations:

 


NZF don't have the funds to bribe FIFA like Bahrain and Qatar do.
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Hellas_johnny wrote:
The commentators for the game on the weekend said that if Lia wants to play for the all whites then he will have to request fifa give him a dispensation to play once he haqs gotten the dual citizenship that is.  I hope that this happens and they can come to an agreement.  I reckon he would be a good squad player for you guys. 


I hope they don't. Rules are there for a reason and if they give him a dispensation that's opening the door for rich countries to buy a national football team.



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Wibblebutt wrote:

Hellas_johnny wrote:


The commentators for the game on the weekend said that if Lia wants to play for the all whites then he will have to request fifa give him a dispensation to play once he haqs gotten the dual citizenship that is.� I hope that this happens and they can come to an agreement.� I reckon he would be a good squad player for you guys.�
I hope they don't. Rules are there for a reason and if they give him a dispensation that's opening the door for rich countries to buy a national football team.


But the rules allow for dispensations...

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Lia is ineligible for the All Whites, he's represented Australia at U23 level while not being eligible for NZ at the time.

NZF is going to have egg on their faces over this.

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I know of cases in other national teams where players have represented another country at youth level while not being eligible for the country they want to switch to at senior level and FIFA have still allowed them to switch e.g. at least one of the Nigerians who played for Bahrain against the All Whites in 2009: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulla_Baba_Fatadi
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Abdulla Baba Fatadi (born on November 2, 1985) is a Nigerian footballer who is a midfielder for Al Jahra. His birth name is Babatunde Fatai.<sup style="white-space: nowrap;" ="Template-Fact">[<span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from June 2009">citation needed</span>] He played for Nigeria under 17 national team in U17 world championship before moving to Bahrain in 2004. He later took on Bahraini nationality to represent the Bahrain national football team. He played for Bahrain U23 and since 2007 playing for the senior Bahraini team.
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Also:
Lawrence Awuley Quaye (born 22 August 1984) is a�Ghana born naturalized senior Qatar international who played for the Ghana u-18 team while not eligible for Ghana before switching to Qatar in 2010.
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FIFA seem to turn a blind eye more for smaller countries but have blocked players�switching from (and to)� major footballing nations:
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"Arteta, a Spaniard playing for Everton, had hoped to represent England but it
transpired he wasn't eligible because he played for Spanish youth teams without
holding a British passport at the time.

Lia, who captained Australia at under-17 and under-20 level, is in the same
boat as Arteta and a spokesman for New Zealand Football admitted Article 18.1
might catch them out.


'Ultimately it is up to the Fifa player status committee to decide on the
matter and if a player wants to put his hand up for selection, and the coaching
staff of New Zealand thinks he may add value to the national team then New
Zealand Football will apply to Fifa to hear his case," the spokesman said.
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I am sorry, but where are you getting your information from?

Neither of these players have played an official junior game with Nigeria. If they played an international friendly junior game, that wouldn't have impacted on their ability to make the switch. But Lia is not in this situation.el grapadura2012-01-31 17:40:50
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patrick478 wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:

Hellas_johnny wrote:


The commentators for the game on the weekend said that if Lia wants to play for the all whites then he will have to request fifa give him a dispensation to play once he haqs gotten the dual citizenship that is.� I hope that this happens and they can come to an agreement.� I reckon he would be a good squad player for you guys.�
I hope they don't. Rules are there for a reason and if they give him a dispensation that's opening the door for rich countries to buy a national football team.


But the rules allow for dispensations...


They don't, it's a regulation that has to be complied with in order to be eligible.
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el grapadura wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:

Hellas_johnny wrote:


The commentators for the game on the weekend said that if Lia wants to play for the all whites then he will have to request fifa give him a dispensation to play once he haqs gotten the dual citizenship that is.� I hope that this happens and they can come to an agreement.� I reckon he would be a good squad player for you guys.�
I hope they don't. Rules are there for a reason and if they give him a dispensation that's opening the door for rich countries to buy a national football team.


But the rules allow for dispensations...


They don't, it's a regulation that has to be complied with in order to be eligible.


If the rules do not allow FIFA to give dispensations to certain players at their discretion, then how did that Bahraini above get a dispensation?

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He didn't, his case does not actually break the regulation -> he never played for a Nigeria junior side in any official competition!!!el grapadura2012-01-31 17:56:25
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el grapadura wrote:
He didn't, his case does not actually break the regulation -> he never played for a Nigeria junior side in any official competition!!!


Ah. My mistake, you are correct.

As you were.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
"ni los wellington phoenix quieren a Hleb"

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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traducci�n de Ingl�s por favor?

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wellington phoenix nor want to Hleb

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nor me

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Didn't Fallon play u19 for England, and tommy smith too, and did mcglinchey play age group for scots?
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
Didn't Fallon play u19 for England, and tommy smith too, and did mcglinchey play age group for scots?


As far I as understand it, Fallon and WeeMac were NZ-born so were still eligble for NZ at the time they played for their respective age-grade teams. Smith gained citizenship whilst over here too.
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WPFC1 wrote:
Marius Lacatus wrote:
Didn't Fallon play u19 for England, and tommy smith too, and did mcglinchey play age group for scots?


As far I as understand it, Fallon and WeeMac were NZ-born so were still eligble for NZ at the time they played for their respective age-grade teams. Smith gained citizenship whilst over here too.


Correct.
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Ah yes, true.
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Can someone explain why Ricki and Vinnie think they can get through this seemingly impenetrable wall of FIFA regulations then????

What do they know that the well researched on here dont ?? 
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Remember this is the same group of people who forgot to appeal Moss' red card and thought that by playing MArco in a friendly then it would lock him into the AWs instead of Chile.
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2ndBest wrote:
Remember this is the same group of people who forgot to appeal Moss' red card and thought that by playing MArco in a friendly then it would lock him into the AWs instead of Chile.



But surely because he has represented us at an U20 World Cup he is locked in to be an All White!?!

[/sarcasm]

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patrick478 wrote:

But surely because he has represented us at an U20 World Cup he is locked in to be an All White!?!

[/sarcasm]
 
His current season might have locked him into the All Whites though.
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rjmiller wrote:
patrick478 wrote:

But surely because he has represented us at an U20 World Cup he is locked in to be an All White!?!

[/sarcasm]
 
His current season might have locked him into the All Whites though.


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Marius Lacatus wrote:
Didn't Fallon play u19 for England, and tommy smith too, and did mcglinchey play age group for scots?



Aha! A chance to be a smug pedant.

If you see the statue (I'm a lawyer) it says they were eligible for NZ at the time they played.



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martinb wrote:


Aha! A chance to be a smug pedant.




The best way to be.

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Come back - all is forgiven ?
 
 
Must admit I haven't paid much attention to his form at GCU but was impressed with him in our recent game against GCU.
 
Maybe his expectations ($s) and our ability (willingness ?) to pay are a bit more aligned than they were.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
lots of posts here...BUT DID WE SIGN ANYONE...??????????
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No, and we won't...we've already got the (2nd) best team in the league!

You'll never beat The Salmon!

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If we signed a decent striker however we could be number one

I know we are not expected by gareth to win the league every year but if you have a pretty good chance (like now) why not strike?AucklandPhoenix2012-02-01 20:13:13

Auckland will rise once more

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Whitby boy wrote:
Come back - all is forgiven ?
 
 
Must admit I haven't paid much attention to his form at GCU but was impressed with him in our recent game against GCU.
 
Maybe his expectations ($s) and our ability (willingness ?) to pay are a bit more aligned than they were.
 
 



He hasn't been great, a lazy passenger most of the time with the (very) odd flash of absolute class
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Whitby boy wrote:
Come back - all is forgiven ?
 
 
Must admit I haven't paid much attention to his form at GCU but was impressed with him in our recent game against GCU.
 
Maybe his expectations ($s) and our ability (willingness ?) to pay are a bit more aligned than they were.
 
 


For a talented player he often seems highly unmotivated - I don't care how good you are, you have to fit into a team too - doesn't feel like he would.
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Would probably explained why he ended up in this part of the world but not in the 'over the hill' category. sh*t attitude.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Haha no thank you to Maceo Rigters - not enough value for money. Gareth uses his money wisely.

Don't be surprised to see Smith come back. He's productive for what he brings. Imports don't all have to be stars. We've got a decent mix - a key man, some flair and a couple of real hard-workers.
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Re Maceo- we wanted him but didn't get him..have done well without him.... but as others say would he have fit in, and have had the commitment of the rest of the nix players?Your choice Maceo, funny how it all worked out..

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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What's the latest on Dani?

    COYN     


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WPFC1 wrote:
Haha no thank you to Maceo Rigters - not enough value for money. Gareth uses his money wisely.

Don't be surprised to see Smith come back. He's productive for what he brings. Imports don't all have to be stars. We've got a decent mix - a key man, some flair and a couple of real hard-workers.


I agree actually. A hard working team-focussed player like Greeny and perhaps Smith would seem to fit in much better in Wellington than an inconsistent, individual, potentially selfish player like Rigters. I reckon we could even make Tevez look like sh*t haha.
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