Wellington Phoenix Men

Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2012/13

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over 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Tegal wrote:

So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.

NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.

Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.


True Blue - Before posting your opinions on YF there are 2 things you must be aware of:

1) If you are an Auckland City fan, your opinions are worthless and will be shot down in flames before being considered.
2) You must NEVER change your mind because that makes you a hypocrite. 

Auckland City FC

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over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Tegal wrote:

So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.

NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.

Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.


True Blue - Before posting your opinions on YF there are 2 things you must be aware of:

1) If you are an Auckland City fan, your opinions are worthless and will be shot down in flames before being considered.
2) You must NEVER change your mind because that makes you a hypocrite. 

Your opinion is worthless.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 13 years ago

FFA set to make a "significant announcement" tomorrow in Melbourne according to the Socceroos Facebook page.
Beckham news maybe?

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Maybe...  Do you know what time ?



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alireggae - Before posting your opinions on YF there are 2 things you must be aware of:

1) Unlike the ACFC forum there is actually quite a few people posting here

2) As such, you may occasionally encounter - gasp! - different opinions than your own! This is a concept we like to call "debate".

Admittedly, "debate" can be a difficult concept to grasp, particularly for the insecure, the stubborn, the narcissistic and the ignorant, but just keep plugging away and eventually you will get used to it.

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over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer.  Must be able to play back to goal

 

hang on. Weren't you complaining about the product we are selling on the field? If so, then how does a target man improve that?

2 different arguments really - I'd like us to play more possession football because I think we'd win more games, especially away from home.  But right now with this group, I don't see that happening, and I think we need a more physical presence in the box.

Normo's coming home

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over 13 years ago

I can help you ali g.

Would like a five minute argument ($2), or a course of ten for $16?


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 13 years ago

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I think Louis Fenton needs a weeks rest. Maybe start Boyd and have Fenton fresh(ish) off the bench?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 13 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I think Louis Fenton needs a weeks rest. Maybe start Boyd and have Fenton fresh(ish) off the bench?

I will join you on the limb but think maybe Stein replaces Fenton (or Brockie moves wide, blah blah blah).

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

(or Brockie moves wide, blah blah blah)

A fan is a fan.

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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

I can help you ali g.

Would like a five minute argument ($2), or a course of ten for $16?



Brilliant. An argument is not the same thing as a contradiction. 


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

I can help you ali g.

Would like a five minute argument ($2), or a course of ten for $16?




Hey. that's not fair, most of us get that for nothing
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over 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

alireggae - Before posting your opinions on YF there are 2 things you must be aware of:

1) Unlike the ACFC forum there is actually quite a few people posting here

2) As such, you may occasionally encounter - gasp! - different opinions than your own! This is a concept we like to call "debate".

Admittedly, "debate" can be a difficult concept to grasp, particularly for the insecure, the stubborn, the narcissistic and the ignorant, but just keep plugging away and eventually you will get used to it.



Love it.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

I can help you ali g.

Would like a five minute argument ($2), or a course of ten for $16?




Hey. that's not fair, most of us get that for nothing

That's because I'm arguing in my spare time.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Tegal wrote:

So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.

NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.

Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.

I have to laugh. I'm regularly at Kiwitea and Fred Taylor


God you talk bollocks. The onfield product is horrible. The one time we get a regular league game on TV, it was insipid crap football - certainly nothing to ATTRACT fans to go watch. By reflection, your team of imports play a lot better but if its only one team, how does this help to grow the league, as you stated a couple of pages back? The TW v Canty game was completely fucking awful and backs the point that if you want fans (both for Phoenix and ASB games) make the product worth watching, not find a new location to play it at.

 

To call ASBP football "insipid crap" is pretty insulting to all the players involved and shows a complete lack of perspective. You seem to be too bitter and twisted to appreciate what's in front of you. I bet you're fun.

Right, and if I insult Auckland over 30s div 5 is that insulting to them if that's the best level they can play at? Seriously man, get your hand off it. 

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

alireggae - Before posting your opinions on YF there are 2 things you must be aware of:

1) Unlike the ACFC forum there is actually quite a few people posting here

2) As such, you may occasionally encounter - gasp! - different opinions than your own! This is a concept we like to call "debate".

Admittedly, "debate" can be a difficult concept to grasp, particularly for the insecure, the stubborn, the narcissistic and the ignorant, but just keep plugging away and eventually you will get used to it.

ACFC Forum - the epitome of a 5 man circle jerk.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

 Your posts are getting more vitriolic each day this week JV.

How about getting some sleep

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over 13 years ago

Former Chelsea striker Didier Drogba wants a loan move away from Shanghai Shenhua, despite being outside the official transfer window.

The 34-year-old is believed to be keen to play for a new team to prepare for the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations as the Chinese season has finished.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20433720

Screw Beckham, lets ask the FFA to get him on a guest stint for us instead.

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over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Tegal wrote:

So a guy from the knitting circle that says the phoenix single handedly destroy TW crowds, now wants to take the team around the country to do the same to all other ASBP crowds? Make your mind up.

NZF indifference to its own national league and the lack of any promotion/tv coverage has hurt ASBP crowds. The Nix playing a couple of games in Auckland is not going to sap the support from ACFC. We have a very loyal fan base, so does Canterbury United and Hawkes Bay United. The rest of the ASBP teams attract very few spectators so it wouldn't be an issue. The same is not true, unfortunately, for Team Wellington, who have largely seen their fan base biodegrade over the years. The Phoenix hogging all the limelight in Wellington has clearly played a part in that.

Get the Phoenix out of town a bit more often and all those so-called Wellington football fans who only turn up when the planets are aligned might just pop down to Dave Farrington Park. Just a thought.


True Blue - Before posting your opinions on YF there are 2 things you must be aware of:

1) If you are an Auckland City fan, your opinions are worthless and will be shot down in flames before being considered.
2) You must NEVER change your mind because that makes you a hypocrite. 

All posts that came after this confirm my first point.

Auckland City FC

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over 13 years ago

Ali G.  Can you change your avatar to this:


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Not really alireggae.

If you had said "If you are insecure, stubborn, ignorant, a narcissist, or any combination of those your opinions are worthless and will be shot down in flames before being considered" then maybe you would have a point.

Nobody gets shot down just for being an ACFC fan. Just a certain type of ACFC fan. And I don't actually include Trueblue in that category, even though I don't agree with him on every single thing.



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over 13 years ago

From a numbers point of view, would the Beckham exercise be worth it?

If we were to estimate that we have 9-10 home games left and work on the assumption that crowds are budgeted at 10k pax, then if you sold out the stadium from the home games (an extra 15k pax for 9 games at....$15 per head for the sake of conservatism), you would bring in just over $2 million. Plus the sponsors you would attract, the feel good factor and crowd swell, the wage would justify itself as not exactly being money being thrown away or an unrecoverable expense.

How it works from a football perspective, is different.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

From a numbers point of view, would the Beckham exercise be worth it?

If we were to estimate that we have 9-10 home games left and work on the assumption that crowds are budgeted at 10k pax, then if you sold out the stadium from the home games (an extra 15k pax for 9 games at....$15 per head for the sake of conservatism), you would bring in just over $2 million. Plus the sponsors you would attract, the feel good factor and crowd swell, the wage would justify itself as not exactly being money being thrown away or an unrecoverable expense.

How it works from a football perspective, is different.

Isn't it only a 10 game guest stint being talked about? So your looking at maybe 6 games at home in the best case scenario.
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over 13 years ago


Im guessing FFA is going to subsidise whoever puts in a bid. They set up that fund at the start of this season for this exact purpose.

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over 13 years ago

Ryan's Rovers wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

From a numbers point of view, would the Beckham exercise be worth it?

If we were to estimate that we have 9-10 home games left and work on the assumption that crowds are budgeted at 10k pax, then if you sold out the stadium from the home games (an extra 15k pax for 9 games at....$15 per head for the sake of conservatism), you would bring in just over $2 million. Plus the sponsors you would attract, the feel good factor and crowd swell, the wage would justify itself as not exactly being money being thrown away or an unrecoverable expense.

How it works from a football perspective, is different.

Isn't it only a 10 game guest stint being talked about? So your looking at maybe 6 games at home in the best case scenario.
Ah. That was a variable I was not aware of. Thank you - as you were.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

Shaun Derry was on the radio this morning saying he would not mind playing in the A League. Plays in the middle of the pitch and knows Ifill. Worth a phone call Ricki or at least get Ifill to do your spade work for you? Good for a season or 2 maybe?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

Another defensive midfielder? Plus we've got import slots filled up.

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over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Another defensive midfielder? Plus we've got import slots filled up.

Well, if the news regarding Alex Smith close to getting Australian Citizenship is true then not a bad option.
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over 13 years ago

Bullion wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Another defensive midfielder? Plus we've got import slots filled up.

Well, if the news regarding Alex Smith close to getting Australian Citizenship is true then not a bad option.

How does that work when he's living here.
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over 13 years ago

brumbys wrote:

Bullion wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Another defensive midfielder? Plus we've got import slots filled up.

Well, if the news regarding Alex Smith close to getting Australian Citizenship is true then not a bad option.

How does that work when he's living here.
No idea, maybe each trip across the ditch counts? :P
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over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer.  Must be able to play back to goal


Someone like Billy Mehmet wouldve been good, dont know why Ricki didnt like him when he trialled with us

Didn't meet our no cocks policy


Wouldn't mind a mongrel though to be honest
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over 13 years ago

 

[/quote] I have to laugh. I'm regularly at Kiwitea and Fred Taylor

 

God you talk bollocks. The onfield product is horrible. The one time we get a regular league game on TV, it was insipid crap football - certainly nothing to ATTRACT fans to go watch. By reflection, your team of imports play a lot better but if its only one team, how does this help to grow the league, as you stated a couple of pages back? The TW v Canty game was completely fucking awful and backs the point that if you want fans (both for Phoenix and ASB games) make the product worth watching, not find a new location to play it at.

[/quote]

 

To call ASBP football "insipid crap" is pretty insulting to all the players involved and shows a complete lack of perspective. You seem to be too bitter and twisted to appreciate what's in front of you. I bet you're fun.

[/quote] Right, and if I insult Auckland over 30s div 5 is that insulting to them if that's the best level they can play at? Seriously man, get your hand off it. [/quote]

 

Just a minute. There is a sad hunched figure who is always loudly complaining about everything from the sidelines at Kiwitea St in a broad Northern British accent. It couldn't be...could it JV? You really need to lighten up old boy.

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over 13 years ago

You only have one of those? Lucky. 


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Shaun Derry was on the radio this morning saying he would not mind playing in the A League. Plays in the middle of the pitch and knows Ifill. Worth a phone call Ricki or at least get Ifill to do your spade work for you? Good for a season or 2 maybe?

Bit long in the tooth isn't he? Remember Derry when he played for Palace. A good combative midfielder. I think the Phoenix need a more creative player.

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over 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Shaun Derry was on the radio this morning saying he would not mind playing in the A League. Plays in the middle of the pitch and knows Ifill. Worth a phone call Ricki or at least get Ifill to do your spade work for you? Good for a season or 2 maybe?

Bit long in the tooth isn't he? Remember Derry when he played for Palace. A good combative midfielder. I think the Phoenix need a more creative player.

The Peacock is well past it, he's just a more streetwise Manny Muscat

Normo's coming home

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over 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer.  Must be able to play back to goal


Someone like Billy Mehmet wouldve been good, dont know why Ricki didnt like him when he trialled with us

Didn't meet our no cocks policy


Wouldn't mind a mongrel though to be honest
Also, if the no cocks policy is stopping us signing good players then maybe it needs to be re-thought.  If we have a cr@p team of nice guys that's not great...some of the best players in the league are complete bell ends.  May make the managers job easier to not have to deal with difficult players but that's why they call it management really

Normo's coming home

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over 13 years ago

 The atmosphere at the club has kept some players here in the past when cash has been waived....

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over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer.  Must be able to play back to goal


Someone like Billy Mehmet wouldve been good, dont know why Ricki didnt like him when he trialled with us

Didn't meet our no cocks policy


Wouldn't mind a mongrel though to be honest
Also, if the no cocks policy is stopping us signing good players then maybe it needs to be re-thought.  If we have a cr@p team of nice guys that's not great...some of the best players in the league are complete bell ends.  May make the managers job easier to not have to deal with difficult players but that's why they call it management really
Have been told (by a player-who-shall-not-be-named, funnily enough JD)  that Smith and Muscat don't meet the 'no cocks policy' or even come close so as much as people like to think our recruitment is based on that, with the way these two came in, clearly no such 'policy' exists. 
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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over 13 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

james dean wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer.  Must be able to play back to goal


Someone like Billy Mehmet wouldve been good, dont know why Ricki didnt like him when he trialled with us

Didn't meet our no cocks policy


Wouldn't mind a mongrel though to be honest
Also, if the no cocks policy is stopping us signing good players then maybe it needs to be re-thought.  If we have a cr@p team of nice guys that's not great...some of the best players in the league are complete bell ends.  May make the managers job easier to not have to deal with difficult players but that's why they call it management really
Have been told (by a player-who-shall-not-be-named, funnily enough JD)  that Smith and Muscat don't meet the 'no cocks policy' or even come close so as much as people like to think our recruitment is based on that, with the way these two came in, clearly no such 'policy' exists. 

Name your source, name your source I DEMAND YOU NAME YOUR SOURCE
Well that's interesting.  Has always been a bit of an excuse for not signing various players
But it does seem that the team is generally very close off the field and that is no bad thing

Normo's coming home

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over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

TopLeft07 wrote:

james dean wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

james dean wrote:

I'd like to see someone with a bit of strength in the air and presence in the box - even if they weren't a genuine goal scorer.  Must be able to play back to goal


Someone like Billy Mehmet wouldve been good, dont know why Ricki didnt like him when he trialled with us

Didn't meet our no cocks policy


Wouldn't mind a mongrel though to be honest
Also, if the no cocks policy is stopping us signing good players then maybe it needs to be re-thought.  If we have a cr@p team of nice guys that's not great...some of the best players in the league are complete bell ends.  May make the managers job easier to not have to deal with difficult players but that's why they call it management really
Have been told (by a player-who-shall-not-be-named, funnily enough JD)  that Smith and Muscat don't meet the 'no cocks policy' or even come close so as much as people like to think our recruitment is based on that, with the way these two came in, clearly no such 'policy' exists. 

Name your source, name your source I DEMAND YOU NAME YOUR SOURCE
Well that's interesting.  Has always been a bit of an excuse for not signing various players
But it does seem that the team is generally very close off the field and that is no bad thing

 

Oh come on, has anyone ever really regarded that as a serious policy? Has always seemed nothing more than forum banter to me.

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