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Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2013/14

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almost 13 years ago

I was looking more at the way forward but you are entitled to view it as you do.

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almost 13 years ago

Yeah that's where you went with it eventually but you still said the blinkers have come off for some people, which really was just you saying everyone is finally agreeing with you.

Fuck this stupid game

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almost 13 years ago

Didn't someone say that Boxall was looking at options away from the club? Was that just to get a loan or to actually leave? I would have thought he was suitable CB cover, Siggy and Dura just stayed fit a lot.

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almost 13 years ago

I'm a big fan of Siggy but I totally agree he sucked dead puppies through a straw this season. And JV should in future remember something about glass houses and stones when he tells me off for twisting facts to make myself right. :)


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almost 13 years ago

I think we missed the work rate of Tim Brown in front of the back 4 this season. Although Dura and Siggy were below their best, at times everyone was streaming through our nonexistent midfield. Makes the job a lot harder! Boxall was on a hiding to nothing in the limited chances he got for the same reason and also back combinations take time to click so the odd game here and there isn't really a fair reflection of his ability.

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almost 13 years ago

Sorry if this starts the usual resulting 10 page discussion, but Our midfield was just as infuriatingly bad and empty with Tim brown in it. 


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almost 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Sorry if this starts the usual resulting 10 page discussion, but Our midfield was just as infuriatingly bad and empty with Tim brown in it. 

E + R + O

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almost 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Sorry if this starts the usual resulting 10 page discussion, but Our midfield was just as infuriatingly bad and empty with Tim brown in it. 


Haha yeah wasn't saying he was brilliant, just got through a lot of work. Moving on.........?
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almost 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Sorry if this starts the usual resulting 10 page discussion, but Our midfield was just as infuriatingly bad and empty with Tim brown in it. 

Edited for lack of strikethru effect after striking thru - even after doing so in preview.

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almost 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Sorry if this starts the usual resulting 10 page discussion, but Our midfield was just as infuriatingly bad and empty with Tim brown in it. 

 

yep

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almost 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:

I'm a big fan of Siggy but I totally agree he sucked dead puppies through a straw this season. And JV should in future remember something about glass houses and stones when he tells me off for twisting facts to make myself right. :)

So what facts did I twist? The fact that Sigmund was pants last year? The fact that I have not had a massive hard on for the guy? The fact that others have said last year was not his best? Maybe I twisted the fact that Boxall played MLS, or that he rode the bench for last year. That must be it.

*facepalm*

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almost 13 years ago
TopLeft07 wrote:

Yeah that's where you went with it eventually but you still said the blinkers have come off for some people, which really was just you saying everyone is finally agreeing with you.

If I say to you, 'Look there is a red car over there' and you agree, that doesn't mean that I'm going 'oh yes I am right'. It means you have seen it too. I think you are trying to find a deeper meaning that I was not intending.

People have realised that as much as he is tenacious, he is technically deficient, more so on the ball. I know late in the year season there was a call for Boxall because he is better on the ball and I think more so, would have been inclined to hold the line and not rush out. I do wonder what he plans to do with Sigmund because I don't think he can turn him into a technically better footballer. Perhaps discipline and positional awareness?

 

Essentially, if you are not named Muscat or Durante, you probably should be worried if you are a defender under Merricks regime. In some respects Pedi Bojic would be nice but you bring a massive headcase into the mix and why would he come here?

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almost 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

Yeah that's where you went with it eventually but you still said the blinkers have come off for some people, which really was just you saying everyone is finally agreeing with you.

If I say to you, 'Look there is a red car over there' and you agree, that doesn't mean that I'm going 'oh yes I am right'. It means you have seen it too. I think you are trying to find a deeper meaning that I was not intending.

People have realised that as much as he is tenacious, he is technically deficient, more so on the ball. I know late in the year season there was a call for Boxall because he is better on the ball and I think more so, would have been inclined to hold the line and not rush out. I do wonder what he plans to do with Sigmund because I don't think he can turn him into a technically better footballer. Perhaps discipline and positional awareness?

 

Essentially, if you are not named Muscat or Durante, you probably should be worried if you are a defender under Merricks regime. In some respects Pedi Bojic would be nice but you bring a massive headcase into the mix and why would he come here?



I believe Bojic is going to Sydney.

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almost 13 years ago
Leggy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

Yeah that's where you went with it eventually but you still said the blinkers have come off for some people, which really was just you saying everyone is finally agreeing with you.

If I say to you, 'Look there is a red car over there' and you agree, that doesn't mean that I'm going 'oh yes I am right'. It means you have seen it too. I think you are trying to find a deeper meaning that I was not intending.

People have realised that as much as he is tenacious, he is technically deficient, more so on the ball. I know late in the year season there was a call for Boxall because he is better on the ball and I think more so, would have been inclined to hold the line and not rush out. I do wonder what he plans to do with Sigmund because I don't think he can turn him into a technically better footballer. Perhaps discipline and positional awareness?

 

Essentially, if you are not named Muscat or Durante, you probably should be worried if you are a defender under Merricks regime. In some respects Pedi Bojic would be nice but you bring a massive headcase into the mix and why would he come here?



I believe Bojic is going to Sydney.
Yeah I've just seen that. It's funny because Sydney likes assembling a team of cocks, yet they have a fantastic CEO who has a clue...

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almost 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

Yeah that's where you went with it eventually but you still said the blinkers have come off for some people, which really was just you saying everyone is finally agreeing with you.

If I say to you, 'Look there is a red car over there' and you agree, that doesn't mean that I'm going 'oh yes I am right'. It means you have seen it too. I think you are trying to find a deeper meaning that I was not intending.

People have realised that as much as he is tenacious, he is technically deficient, more so on the ball. I know late in the year season there was a call for Boxall because he is better on the ball and I think more so, would have been inclined to hold the line and not rush out. I do wonder what he plans to do with Sigmund because I don't think he can turn him into a technically better footballer. Perhaps discipline and positional awareness?

 

Essentially, if you are not named Muscat or Durante, you probably should be worried if you are a defender under Merricks regime. In some respects Pedi Bojic would be nice but you bring a massive headcase into the mix and why would he come here?



None of us have really seen enough of Boxall to know if he is a step up on Siggy or not. He was good against Heart I remember, but all at sea in a couple of other appearances, admittedly in a team which was itself all at sea. There does seem to be a slight obsession with Siggy having let us down because he kept rushing out of the line, actually one of the key factors of his game which saw him top intercept stats in the two previous seasons and helped make him such an effective defender. Clearly Ricki wanted him to continue doing this last season, or at least didn't tell him not to, a coaching failure on Ricki's part, one amongst many unfortunately. The point being that this should be easily rectified by a new coach with a fresh viewpoint.

Anyway, I'm not worried about Siggy. He will either sink or swim under Ernie and I know what my money's on.
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almost 13 years ago

Probably why Ernie wants another CB....

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almost 13 years ago

Bojic to Sydney up in the air now. Phoenix to swoop?

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almost 13 years ago
Sackofspuds wrote:

Bojic to Sydney up in the air now. Phoenix to swoop?

Unless the Fever is going to pay him to get them in shape, I doubt he will leave his Sydney business.
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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History
Groff wrote:

I think we missed the work rate of Tim Brown in front of the back 4 this season. Although Dura and Siggy were below their best, at times everyone was streaming through our nonexistent midfield. Makes the job a lot harder! Boxall was on a hiding to nothing in the limited chances he got for the same reason and also back combinations take time to click so the odd game here and there isn't really a fair reflection of his ability.

Totally agree with this, Boxall never really had a chance to develop an understanding with a CB partner in a game situation. Training would help but there's no substitute for actually playing competitive games. I personally really rate Boxall as a potential Nix stalwart if he got the chance. Ricki was always incredibly loyal to his preferred 1st XI so I don't think we can read too much into the fact he got limited opportunities. 
I think Boxall looks good technically, reasonably strong, reasonably quick, and a good reader of the game. The only downside I can see is that I think central defenders work best as a complementary pairing (which is part of why Dura and Siggy worked so well in previous seasons) and Boxall strikes me as the same sort of CB as Dura, albeit less experienced and confident at this stage. Siggy would complement Boxall better than Dura would, but Siggy was clearly the weaker member of our central defensive pairing last season so you would think if we are dropping one of our starting centrebacks it would be him.

However, Ernie has said he wants to play with fullbacks effectively acting as wingers and 4 creative attacking players. If you want to play with your fullbacks bombing forward on attack then you need at least one defensively solid holding midfielder, possibly 2, who can cover and slow down counterattacks if you lose possession with your fullbacks far up the pitch. Therefore there might be potential for either Dura or Boxall to pop into a DM role to screen the defenders and cover the inevitable open space caused by having attacking fullbacks. I wouldn't want both Muscat and one of Boxall or Dura as a DM pairing because I would doubt their ability to distribute the ball to those attacking players. But I do think that Manny could be an effective attacking fullback - he's got a decent cross on him and has played the role a fair bit under Ricki anyway (although maybe not as attacking as Ernie is planning). So if Manny is at RB then I think Boxall or Dura at DM plus a ball-playing deep lying midfielder (Simon Ellliott from 4 years ago would be perfect) could be effective. The key being, of course, to find that deep lying distributing ball-playing midfielder...

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almost 13 years ago
I can't actually believe that people are focussing so heavily on the one position where we are probably the strongest. The three players are all whites and whilst I agree that Sigmund did not have a great season last year and perhaps is slightly overrated, if he doesn't stack up next year, I am comfortable with Boxall. The preceding year and Griffiths I would have been very worried. Full back, midfield and even striker (where according to any we are very strong) should be our priorities before worrying about this position. Also note all these chaps have contracts this year so they are unlikely to go anywhere. Fancy four centre backs in a squad of 20?



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almost 13 years ago

I think the reason perhaps why there is talk is because Merrick raised this as a position we need a player. Coupled with the fact the Phoenix have allowed Boxall to go to China to trial (I read on here) and is out on loan, doesn't bode well for him staying around. I am just speculating of course

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almost 13 years ago
Did he actually say the word defender or central defender?



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almost 13 years ago

I also think the owners would let durante go on trial in china if they thought they would get some coin from it so I wouldn't read much into that. Pre Merricks  time anyway


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almost 13 years ago

I don't know his words sorry. I'm going on what was mentioned on here

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History
I stand corrected, but I think the word was defender and hence some here have thought that does not involve the locheads of this world. Admittedly in the next breath he did call them attackers to add to the confusion. I think it is safe to say he is looking for a full back however

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

Fair enough. If he did not mention CB directly then as you say, we are/I am talking bollocks.

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almost 13 years ago

He said he likes RB and LB to be pretty much wingers. "Bye Bye Lochy..PLEASE ! don't let me go...."



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almost 13 years ago

I also think the owners would let durante go on trial in china if they thought they would get some coin from it so I wouldn't read much into that. Pre Merricks  time anyway

I doubt that. The club probably could get good money off him going to China as it is. But they would be foolish to let him go and they know it.
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almost 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't know his words sorry. I'm going on what was mentioned on here

You should no better than "going what was mentioned on here".

Most of it is uneducated guesswork at best.

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almost 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't know his words sorry. I'm going on what was mentioned on here

You should no better than "going what was mentioned on here".

Most of it is uneducated guesswork at best.

Know

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almost 13 years ago

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almost 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
nightz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't know his words sorry. I'm going on what was mentioned on here

You should no better than "going what was mentioned on here".

Most of it is uneducated guesswork at best.

Know


In the interview he was talking about 3 or 4 of the seven players he could sign being starters, two midfielders to improve transition out of sight, one fast striker and, "ideally" I think was his wording, also a strong defender.  The new defender seemed to be last on his list of new starter priorities, though I guess all that can change depending on who becomes available.  The impression I got was he felt he could live with our current back four and their back-ups, if he had to, but if the budget and the players available to sign allowed he'd also take on a strong starting defender.  My guess from everything else he said about attacking full backs was it would be in that area he might prefer to move.  But it was unclear.  But no, he did not say centre back or go further than simply saying "strong defender".  That's my recollection of the interview.
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almost 13 years ago

I'm picking a right back who can cover centre back or vice versa. Apparently the club have signed Rowe and Lochead and Hogg are options so don't think the left hand side is an issue. Also think Lochy will go and Merrick will put faith in Hogg/Rowe

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almost 13 years ago
paullt wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Sorry if this starts the usual resulting 10 page discussion, but Our midfield was just as infuriatingly bad and empty with Tim brown in it. 

yep



and yet....


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almost 13 years ago
PROAK wrote:

I'm picking a right back who can cover centre back or vice versa. Apparently the club have signed Rowe and Lochead and Hogg are options so don't think the left hand side is an issue. Also think Lochy will go and Merrick will put faith in Hogg/Rowe



yikes. Has no-one been watching the pattern over the last few seasons? We hate on Lochy like a mofo, then he gets injured and we leak goals down the left (see Ibini v Hogg, etc etc). This kinda feels like Browny all over again. A lot of hating, then he's gone cue rejoicing and we're totally and absolutely pants instead of just pants.

I know Leggy doesn't rate Lochy, but I'd want to see a starter to replace him and at the moment neither Hogg or Rowe can command a starting position at left back.


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almost 13 years ago

Siggie had his worst season for the 'Nix, but so did Dura. As some have pointed out prior to that our team has been one of the best in the league for defence on a couple of occasions. Don't think it's only Siggie that is the problem. Which is why it's reasuring that Merrick is talking about some serious rebuilding. Hope he has better luck getting his targets than Ricki.

Would also be unhappy if we lose Boxall. But then the new coach needs to be happy with his players, and his ability to attract players was one of the reasons why he was signed, not his ability to develop NZ talent.



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almost 13 years ago
martinb wrote:
PROAK wrote:

I'm picking a right back who can cover centre back or vice versa. Apparently the club have signed Rowe and Lochead and Hogg are options so don't think the left hand side is an issue. Also think Lochy will go and Merrick will put faith in Hogg/Rowe



yikes. Has no-one been watching the pattern over the last few seasons? We hate on Lochy like a mofo, then he gets injured and we leak goals down the left (see Ibini v Hogg, etc etc). This kinda feels like Browny all over again. A lot of hating, then he's gone cue rejoicing and we're totally and absolutely pants instead of just pants.

I know Leggy doesn't rate Lochy, but I'd want to see a starter to replace him and at the moment neither Hogg or Rowe can command a starting position at left back.


I don't, but I would play him if there was nobody else. When he is playing at his best then he is OK.

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almost 13 years ago

Wonder how Lochhead's injury is going? He's got a bit of a history of them as well so wouldnt be surprised if its a drawn out recovery


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almost 13 years ago

Hopefully we'll see a more professional approach to underperformance in the first team with Ernie.  Sigmund should have been dropped for Boxall last season for eg... etc etc 

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almost 13 years ago
martinb wrote:

Siggie had his worst season for the 'Nix, but so did Dura. As some have pointed out prior to that our team has been one of the best in the league for defence on a couple of occasions. Don't think it's only Siggie that is the problem. Which is why it's reasuring that Merrick is talking about some serious rebuilding. Hope he has better luck getting his targets than Ricki.

Would also be unhappy if we lose Boxall. But then the new coach needs to be happy with his players, and his ability to attract players was one of the reasons why he was signed, not his ability to develop NZ talent.


I reckon his ability to develop players (plus 'overseeing' FSE/academy structure - unanswered question?) was a big part of why he was signed.

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