Phoenix Transfer - speculation (Part 2)

By the way Whoooooo, did you watch New Zealand play at the 2009 Confederations Cup? If so, you've obviously forgotten who our best player was, Simon Elliott seemed to be the only All White on the park with composure, vision and the ability to pass to a team mate's feet. Oska2010-04-02 00:18:41

this. what harm is a trial, u never know how certain players< ="Content-" content="text/; charset=utf-8">< name="ProgId" content="Word.">< name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12">< name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><> might play in different environments such as the nix

Okay Whoooooooooooooooo,

O god no,lets not do that again. He backed it up with pointless stats,and compared stats that are uncompareable. Id rather he didnt try do that to be honest.

i still think certain people have an over inflated sense of how good the A - League actually is - most of the players in these squads are League 2 level at best so James at Barnet should be interesting, that said pace aside I think Elliott could do a very good job in the league his vision, passing and set pieces could be a real asset - could be our equivelent as Kevin Muscat but not as dirty or cheaty.

This may have been said already - apologies if it has.

Thats a good point. Except id imagine there to be a phase out period of a couple of seasons.

That means we should do all we can now to support and develop NZ talent to make it in the professional game. 

We should sign more to make use of the opportunity while we have it.

Agree with news here. We should be signing up any kiwis we can, who are obviously good enough of course.

James, Bright etc are atleast worth a trial. I think it would be quite easy to get some of these youngens back here. Even a loan could work?

I doubt Si Elliot will move back to NZ in a hurry.  I think he has a missus who is locked in to her job in LA.  Marius will know the details.

Divorce is an avenue he should probably look into, then.

What better way for YF to spend the boring off season,plotting Elliots divorce.

They wouldnt just impose it instantly. There would clearly be a grace period. Otherwise the PFA would have something to say im sure as well.

I know a gay guy..that could come in handy :D

Seriously though, I reckon I'd personally like to see Elliot play for the Nix, though I am a bit worried that he might be past his prime.
But to me he was one of the better players at the Confed Cup. Which means that if he plays well at WC he'll likely pick up a contract somewhere else.

there is no 'might' about it son.

How's about you give it up?  Save everyone's time.

I mean fair enough, you have your opinion, I have mine - but 50 times is enough, yes?
loyalgunner2010-04-03 22:56:33

Com'on LG. Give him a chance.  He's found a new drum to beat now that he has given up on the 'sack ricki'.

At least hes broadening his football horizons and moving away from the phoenix. Somehow still manages to be much more informed than us somehow,therefore he is right and we are wrong. His argument is just too powerful,its not even worth talking about. Just give up now LG

elliots rubbish. he will not flourish in the a-league. players far better than him have come to the a-league and not shined so how will a 36 year old midfielder who can't run faster than my grandma expect to do any good. not worth wasting our time chasing to be honest.

Here we go. Go join the "We hate Simon elliot" fanclub with whoooo.

Guys, Elliot is no Scholes but he is the only NZer (other than Nelsen or maybe Vicelich) who has the vision and composure (key emphasis on that) to play the def MF role - this was made very clear in SA last year at Confeds. Brown is too scared to touch the ball at All White level yet at A -League level the commentators talk about him as if he is a goal scoring mid filelder of Gerrard's quality (even though they are all from 6 yards out from his head and he missed everything from 10 yards out from his feet). Point is - there is a massive gap between the A League and international levels.

no, no.

play Mac & Brown. Elliott's passport should be ripped up or maybe misplaced.......

You still havent based this on an anything other than "hes sh*t".

actually, maybe you can't read.

i said he's old, slow and passing is under par (always backwards or sideways) too afraid to shoot, and if he does it's a mile off target. He doesn't cut it.

don't know why you can't see that when he does not play (vs Bahrain we won like i said we would, Mexico - subbed - we scored tho disallowed) we perform better, maybe confed. cup not included.
whooooooo2010-04-04 10:25:17

Look, I'm not denying the fact that he has in the past been a good player and yeah sure his vision is great and he's not a bad DMF. But think about the style of the midfielders in the A-League at the moment, most are box to box, fast skillful players, players who would counter his style of play and TBH I think run circles around him.

I'm trying to say here, that I just simply think that we would be wasting resources and time chasing him to come to the Nix, we should be putting more effort into finding younger more exuberant players who could potentially develop into long term prospects for the Nix. We don't want to be chasing someone who is going to come on a one year contract, get kicked in the third game in and be out for the next five games.

But don't worry, ignore everything I've said. Apparently you are not allowed an opinion on public forums anymore. Jeez, who would of thought a thread titled "Transfer Speculation" would bring out personal opinions on players.

 

Disagree James. It's about par.

I don't know SB, there are a lot of other stupid and unintelligent things he has said (Basically everything he types here)

Way, way off. Box to box, skillful midfielders in the A-league? Name one.

Pretty good analysis, Browny's nowhere near good enough at international level. The problem is you can't play McG and Elliott in the middle together as Elliott's legs are a bit too old now, so he needs someone closer to him to help out defensively. Pretty much the only reason why Brown's in the starting XI imo.

you only think my posts are stupid because you disagree with it.

get your head out the sand guys.

NZ football won't grow with the views of you people. we'll be stuck playing Fiji for years......

 

You'll have to walk me through that logic.

without too much bagging. It is clear that i am stating my opinion, I guess people respect that.
S.O.N2010-04-04 12:50:42

Culina, there I named one, don't ask for anymore

you people who see Elliott as a football superstar need to get some brains, then we'll talk.

and i just have to laugh at SB's comment "what is wrong with passing backwards ?"

hahahahahahaha yea imagine if everyone did that................ yep, how the f**k can the team score ?? hahahahahahahahahahahah

honestly, some of you lot..............

Ever heard of the statement you sometimes need to go back to go forward?
loyalgunner2010-04-04 13:26:45

too much stupid in here