Phoenix Transfer - speculation (Part 2)

He is one of the few AWs who can pass the ball and be in the right position in the midfield for a pass.

People say he is getting old, but at 34 he would be still in top long term distance fitness if he is kept busy building his core foundation over the years. The off the mark acceleration maybe slower should be countered by his knowledge of the game and the proper game position.

He only loses the ball when his teammates are not there to receive the ball and he is forced to do a 50/50 pass forward because he is cut off from his defenders and that he can't hold off the two midfielders for long.

When we get organised especially with McGlinchey on the field, his options are going to open up from defensive midfield to the centre midfield. Not sure if Brown links that well with Elliot. Whereas McGlinchey is in the right place most of the time.

I don't know if we see the Elliot/McGlinchey midfield until the actual World Cup Tournament. But it is worth a try.

I'd rateher not take him.

see an eye doctor.

Elliott is f**king useless.

His experience is needed. He should have enough in the tank by June this year. We are not worried about next year. It's this June we are considering. We need a team with a mixture of young and old to get that balance.

We got plenty of young guys in the squad.

60 Caps, wealth of experience at high enough level, enough to foot a couple of games at this level. At 35, I have no problems with any player who can do the job. We all know he can do it and it would be the last hurrah for him.

Football does not rely of youth alone as in most things, Playing experience has a larger leverage than youth especially when genuine talent is scarce and immature.

There is going to be like five players over 30 in the squad and two of them are Goalkeepers. There would be like two teenagers and the rest (about 14 players) are in their 20s range in the 23 man squad. Don't neglect the big game experience needed.

Damn S.O.N. and Tegal, you made me go off topic from the Phoenix transfer to the AWs.

Not going to touch this topic on Elliot again. Especially when some people on this forum make dumb comments without reading properly the quote they placed in their post.      AllWhitebelievr2010-03-24 18:15:32

yet more deep analysis - you should write a book

Graeme Arnold's first move has been to ditch the NYL player of the year, a 21 year old midfielder. Would we be interested?

Source?

cheers

Pity he's no longer youth league age.  I assume our youth team will be U20 as well?

sign him up, IMO he looks decent.

I've changed my mind about Elliot, actually.  Seeing as he's a free agent (I think) then I wouldn't mind him having a 6 week contract (or guest stint - whatever they're called) with the option of extending it for the rest of the season if he does well.

Another reason why a reserve league should be considered under the first team and alongside the youth team. Surely a reserve tier would maintain such players that need more development in a tougher league as well as there would be fringe players looking for gametime. The gap between National Youth league and A-League is huge. Many good players will just be lost in the State leagues never getting a chance again nor exposed to good development.

Maintaining a second tier development pool of players at the club helps get those players access to quality coaching, personal development and the big thing to get them better prepared for chances at other clubs by arranged trials or exchange or loan.

In the UK etc, reserve teams are used alongside youth teams and doors do open for a number of them.

However If we have a reserve team in the NZFC, then he has a chance to play for us and still get a shot at A-league. Screw having to drop back into State League when there is an A-league reserve team in Wellington Phoenix.

Panny Nikas, just wait next to your phone, after the Nix reserve team news release.

Sounds like a very good player to be released.

Very good point, one which I hadn't thought of tbh.

Is NZFC a higher standard than NYL?

Getting a bit off topic now, but surely FFA need to look at the eligibility around the youth league. Allowing only 4 overage players means a lot of good up and coming players will be lost from the A-League system once they 'come of age'. Would like to see the maximum upped to 5 or 6 per team. Wibblebutt2010-03-26 11:57:48

Seems some CCM fans at least are totally bemused with Arnie's release of this player - https://au.fourfourtwo.com/blogs.aspx?CIaBEID=1758#comments

He played seniors off the bench a few times - looked below average but can't really judge him just based on that

Ok so because we have Ifill, Greenacre  and Diego, does this mean we can only sign one more foreigner or two if one is asian?  Hmmm that makes our options very limited. And thats including the presumption that we won't re-sign Dadi.

So We should be looking at one foreigner from overseas to give us a traget up front. Van Dijk type, or even brosque type. But This is one important signing and I think it will have to be a foreigner unless we can pull a miracle and get Josh Kennedy. (excuse the pun(if you got it))

So then maybe we should be spending a lot of time looking into asia? We have the time and why not look for a playmaker type. We do need a technical man in the middle and they are generally better technically than the Aussies and us. Song and co. have shown this. So in my opinion I think we should be really looking into signing an Asian player.

They also have small hands so can pick fruit better than the locals.

No you can have 5 imports a year, doesn't matter where they are from. The 3+1 thing is for the ACL.

There is either a 4 + 1 or a 5 + 1 rule for the A-League as well.

4+1, isn't it?

Gold Coast have Anderson, van den Brink, Traore, Robson and Miller all at the club (unless one of them is eligible for Aussie citizenship or however it works and they don't count)

Aha I see now. I think they are considering a 5+1 rule for next year, according to this article here

I believe Gold Coast and the Fury were given the 5+1 option due to being a new club and it'd help them get on track a bit quicker.

Hopefully all clubs get it next season, though.

They should stick to 4+1. 

The whole point is to stop the league being over-run with imports and to make it so sides don't have to change whole line-ups for ACL football.  You start allowing more and more imports in when the squad minimum is 20 and the maximum 23 then you reduce the number of chances domestic players have which is the whole point of a league like the A-League.

Yes.

It is our national league. Considering NZFC has Men not U21 Boys. Experienced players some of which were ex AWs, ex-youth internationals, some players had recently played in the US college system. Two NZFC teams having CWC experience with Auckland City doing 5th on the CWC recently. Experience and maturity will makes the NZFC better than NYL.

NZFC should be just as good if not better than State League, it would be harder to determine which way it goes now. TBH.

In the time when we were doing NZ National Club League, I would definitely say that some State League (e.g Victoria Premier League/ NSW Premier league) is better than NZ National Club League because it has a more consistent skill level at the time, where as other State Leagues like Tasmania or Western Australia would questionable and would be closer to Central League level.

Of course things have changed quite a bit now, so I am assuming that NZFC has improved (which it has) and that most State Leagues Clubs has lost some of their star players into the A-league and gone backwards in the player pools for a while.

Agreed.

They would have increase the salary cap, increase the matches in the season, increase the season length, increase the number of teams playing, increase matches played in the month before they can increase the squad number.

To be honest, I wouldn't say no to 4+2 or even 3+3 but would say no to 5+1. Special cases for AFC players can be made. But I would never have more than 5 import players of any kind on the pitch at any time, because it means that the local players are the minority and the national football style would diminished creating problems that can flow into the national team.

Hmmm, yes. What about 6 - 3, or 4 x 7, or even 2 / 9?

Just no improper fractions please FFA. Improper fractions make me so f**king mad.


terminator_x2010-03-29 19:30:07

It would be a bit hard to change it to 4+1 when currently it is just 5, no matter where they are from, would mean some teams (GCU) would have to drop players

Personally if it stopped at 5+1 I'd have no problem with it.  1/4 of a squad being foreign plus the youth team being completely Australian isn't a big issue with me.

Provided we managed to get rid of Diego, though, I won't care if it stays at 4+1.
loyalgunner2010-03-30 12:26:53

Should we have a rule speculation thread?

I,m hoping our fullbacks can improve and feel we have struggled against power and speed on the flanks, causing opposition forwards to get in behind our defence on too many occasions.Lochead has been suspect on such occasions as the Bahrain penalty and the Payne opener for Sydney. I'm sure he knows this and will be working on improvement(one of the prerequisites for a professional sportsman). Otherwise I feel that this is crucial to our improvement and top2 finish next year and I am sure mr Herbert is onto this .Wayne Bridge has a similar problem as Lochead in that he is technically good but is brushed aside in crucial defensive situations , so England wont miss him, but even though Ashley Cole is small he doesn't get pushed around. Can we tempt him , Ricky? He 's saying he will quit England. You never know. Welly rocks , doesn't it?Sendme my season ticket . Can't wait for next year.