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Fixed!
 
zinidane wrote:

McBreen...turns like the Titanic with the vision of Steve Wonder and the first touch of a rapist!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MESSIAH wrote:
martinb wrote:

Any hints on which club Dodd is training at?

 
doesnt really matter as long as he signs with them
 
 
Tough season coming up....27 games plus a big playoff series now we have the top 6. We will need to have a strongest squad as possible as we may not have any sort of Youth players to call on.
Sure Siggy and Durante are our number one CD pair. But the chances of them going through the whole season uninjured or not suspended is ZERO. We need depth in all areas. If we don't get Dodd then we will have to sign someone else as cover. I would rather have Dodd back. He knows the phoenix setup....he would slot in easy.
I hope we sign him.
 
But he has a good chance of signing in korea......they like big defenders like him. They tend to prefer local or Brazilians as attacking players
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Imagine getting Henri Camara.  I'd be stoked if we did.
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Corrales and Krishna are on the radar (see front page)
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2ndBest wrote:
Corrales and Krishna are on the radar (see front page)


if the HAL defenders ever caught up to Coralles they would eat him whole

Salmon swim upstream

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It says that the Fury are supposedly interested in him, and tbh, i would rather take him now and see how it pans out rather than let NQF snag him!
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Salmon07 wrote:
if the HAL defenders ever caught up to Coralles they would eat him whole


Because NZFC defenders are lightweights... Hay and Emblen ?  Vicelich/Suri and Uhlmann ?

Queensland's whole midfield runs on Murdocca and McKay and he's no smaller than either of them.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
if the HAL Defenders ever caught up to Coralles they would eat him whole


Because NZFC defenders are lightweights... Hay and Emblen ?  Vicelich/Suri and Uhlmann ?

Queensland's whole midfield runs on Murdocca and McKay and he's no smaller than either of them.


point taken, but do you really think Little luis could stand up the increased pace and physicality of the HAL?

i'd like to see it and will be cheering for him, esp. cos i had to mark him once (Sunday league Cup Final 2005) and he turned me inside out and upside down.


Salmon swim upstream

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Yeah, he's run rings about just everyone in Sunday league... except Sacha Nathu who just went through him and got a red.

My theory is that he's as quick as anyone in the A-League but he can control a ball and finish a chance, which many of the super quick youngsters can't.  There are certainly players his size soing a reasonable job in the A-League. 

...as for if he could step up ?  Unless you try nobody knows but we took a punt on Costa and Siggy and that has worked out well and the Aus sides take punts on youngsters and state league players all the time.

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off topic now, but funny you mention finishing- cos in that final the only way to stop him was to foul him, so i did. he won a penalty and hit the post.

i'd love to see him play- he's a local boy (of sorts) and the fact that he played in the sunday league and culture kicks etc just adds to the legend




Salmon swim upstream

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it'd have to be one or the other you would think. Unless we were utterly desperate.
I'd prefer Corrales to be honest for similar reasons as above.

Do either have NZ citizenship or applicable for it??


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Hard News wrote:
Yeah, he's run rings about just everyone in Sunday league... except Sacha Nathu who just went through him and got a red.

My theory is that he's as quick as anyone in the A-League but he can control a ball and finish a chance, which many of the super quick youngsters can't.  There are certainly players his size soing a reasonable job in the A-League. 

...as for if he could step up ?  Unless you try nobody knows but we took a punt on Costa and Siggy and that has worked out well and the Aus sides take punts on youngsters and state league players all the time.
 
He sounds interesting.
 
How old is he and how long has he been playing locally? I suspect a really good player would have moved on to greener fields. Or does he have strong ties in NZ - family, etc.
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Corrales absolutely destroyed youngheart I remember. The 8 nil game. A very dark day in YHM history! He basically ran the show. Worth a shot but be nice to look at other strikers with a bit more pedigree first. 
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Can't always buy pedigree, and I am sure Tony and Ricki have been looking.

Got to take a punt sometime.
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2ndBest wrote:
Corrales and Krishna are on the radar (see front page)
 
Scoring in the sub-standard NZFC is one thing - doing it in the A-League is another.  The Phoenix have a maximum of about four outfield spots to fill.  In my view, we need to recruit for those spots from either at a minimum the A-League or better leagues if we're going to have any chance of making an impact in the A-League next season.  The players we recruit have to be good enough to command a starting role week in and week out.  Otherwise, the squad is simply not going to be up to the required standard to play good football and be competitive.  There are enough players currently in the squad who unfortunately just make up the numbers.  Adding more players to that group from the NZFC does nothing for strengthening the squad and giving us a chance to be competitive. 
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As much as i think Corrales would be a good buy - axmfc makes sense.

I think we should just choose one - Corrales
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Sigmund came from the NZFC and was an excellent signing, Costa looks like being likewise.  Luis as a yougster (apparently) played at the same level in Costa Rica that Carlos Hernandez played at, and Krishna has never had a chance to play at a level higher than the NZFC seeing as he's only just over twenty.

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scribbler wrote:
 
He sounds interesting.
 
How old is he and how long has he been playing locally? I suspect a really good player would have moved on to greener fields. Or does he have strong ties in NZ - family, etc.


25 turning 26 this year. not much of a younster as Krishna (21)

But yea neither have really been tested at a higher level
Didn't relise Corrales played at same level as Hernandez - that could be a good sign


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Hard News wrote:
Sigmund came from the NZFC and was an excellent signing, Costa looks like being likewise.  Luis as a yougster (apparently) played at the same level in Costa Rica that Carlos Hernandez played at, and Krishna has never had a chance to play at a level higher than the NZFC seeing as he's only just over twenty.
 
Sigmund has proven to be a very good defender HN - however, I don't think he's a fantastic footballer (in my view Karl Dodd is the best we have in that regard in the central defence) , but he's a good, solid, reliable defender.  And Costa is a good young talent but as yet unproven in the A-League (I'm a bit concerned he hasn't been used more as he is at an age now where he should be getting more game time, if he's good enough - I do hope he goes all the way).  Luis is now in his late 20s I think, and if he were good enough he would have been noticed by now.
 
However, I still think HN that it will be very rare for players to make the grade in the A-League from the NZFC - Sigmund is the exception rather than the rule.  The NZFC is simply too piss poor, and in my view has gotten worse over the last view years.  It's interesting that Kerryn Jordan came out with the same view just after retiring from playing.  Moreover, the Phoenix needs to seriously strengthen its current squad with the remaining small number of vacancies, which, in my view, means signing up proven performers in the A-League or from higher leagues than the A-League.  Otherwise, I think we're going to seriously struggle next season, including against the newcomers, GCU and Nth Queensland.
 
 
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axmfc wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Sigmund came from the NZFC and was an excellent signing, Costa looks like being likewise.  Luis as a yougster (apparently) played at the same level in Costa Rica that Carlos Hernandez played at, and Krishna has never had a chance to play at a level higher than the NZFC seeing as he's only just over twenty.
 
Sigmund has proven to be a very good defender HN - however, I don't think he's a fantastic footballer (in my view Karl Dodd is the best we have in that regard in the central defence) , but he's a good, solid, reliable defender.  And Costa is a good young talent but as yet unproven in the A-League (I'm a bit concerned he hasn't been used more as he is at an age now where he should be getting more game time, if he's good enough - I do hope he goes all the way).  Luis is now in his late 20s I think, and if he were good enough he would have been noticed by now.
 
However, I still think HN that it will be very rare for players to make the grade in the A-League from the NZFC - Sigmund is the exception rather than the rule.  The NZFC is simply too piss poor, and in my view has gotten worse over the last view years.  It's interesting that Kerryn Jordan came out with the same view just after retiring from playing.  Moreover, the Phoenix needs to seriously strengthen its current squad with the remaining small number of vacancies, which, in my view, means signing up proven performers in the A-League or from higher leagues than the A-League.  Otherwise, I think we're going to seriously struggle next season, including against the newcomers, GCU and Nth Queensland.
 
 
 
Yeah, I think Sigmund's earned his keep. It's a shame if he is an exception, but realism has got to rule. 
 
We need some high class imports. Not players who might step up and make the grade. But players who are already there or have been there recently enough. Still with a few years gas in the tank and who could be interested in maybe playing out their careers with us. 
 
Apparently Ricki and Tony P are lining up some strikers to talk to who have been doing a decent job in English League One (3rd divison), and in their late 20s, which would fit the job description nicely.
 
We don't have to find another Smeltzy. We just need a couple of competitive out-and-out strikers with the right professional attitude who could work together to give us some serious firepower.
 
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I think you're dead right Scribbler.  In addition to a couple of quality strikers from England, I think the Phoenix need to find a couple of more good established pro players and also sign a very good playmaker of the calibre of Fred.
 
It is a shame about the NZFC, but NZ football is a real basket case and has been for many, many years.  It's a pity because the youth of NZ who play the game - and it's a huge following - deserves better in terms of development.  However, it's nothing the Phoenix can do to sort out - it's the responsibility of NZF, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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According to the commentators on the Adeleide - Queensland game, Cristiano has been linked with rumours of a deal with us.

Thoughts?
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axmfc wrote:
Luis is now�in his late 20s�I think, and if he were good enough he would have been noticed by now.


The problem with this argument is that following that we should never sign anyone locally because they haven't already been noticed. When you say noticed, noticd by who? Just because another A-League club hasn't signed him doesn't mean that we can't be the ones to pluck him from obscurity. If we sign other players from A-League clubs they're cast offs, if we sign unknowns we can't sign them because they haven't been noticed by now so aren't good enough - it's very circular.

The fact is he IS being noticed right now, so why does that mean that he isn't given a chance. The A-League is a good competition but you don't have to be a superstar to perform well there - Charlie Miller is still running round and a lot of players from poor leagues in Sth East Asia come in and dominate. I'm not sure if Luis is technically good enough, pace helsp him in the NZFC and against smarter defenders he may struggle. But I think we have to use the NZFC as a tool because there are some decent players there who we get first look at and not write it off.james dean2009-02-21 23:40:31

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Torne wrote:
According to the commentators on the Adeleide - Queensland game, Cristiano has been linked with rumours of a deal with us.

Thoughts?


wow really?
I didn't hear that. You can't always trust those guys but I'd definitely take him. As long as he aint diving

Strange because just earlier this week he said something of wanting to stay with the reds for a few more seasons.? although you don't often get straight comments from football players now do you?


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I think we should give at least Krishna, but preferably Corrales too a chance.

They will be a lot cheaper than any English striker, gives us more room under the cap.

Then we could sign one proven striker and out of Costa, Krishna, and Corrales one of them would be good enough to partner him.
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My outlook on this is we might get more bang for our buck signing both Corrales and Krishna on smaller wages than taking huge risks with English League One strikers.
 
Could Krishna count as a apart of the 3 youth players we require?? last count we only have one signed for the season in Costa.
 
I have stated before I don't have a good feeling about scouting from Ricki and Tony P in England, why not try Costa Rica and Honduras - there have been good players coming out of those countries for a while and I bet on far less wages than League One players.
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The success or otherwise of the Nix next season will be largely determined by our ability to sign a class pair of strikers (e.g. Allsop and Thompson; 22 goals between them). We need to sign strikers who have proven themselves at a high level - it is too risky, to the future of the Nix, to sign unproven strikers for starting positions. Sign a striker with potential by all means to fill a youth spot.

Whitby boy2009-02-22 12:07:22
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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playwithFire wrote:
Torne wrote:
According to the commentators on the Adeleide - Queensland game, Cristiano has been linked with rumours of a deal with us.

Thoughts?


wow really?
I didn't hear that. You can't always trust those guys but I'd definitely take him. As long as he aint diving

Strange because just earlier this week he said something of wanting to stay with the reds for a few more seasons.? although you don't often get straight comments from football players now do you?
yep during the adelaide v roar game the commentators clearly said that wellington was interested in cristiano

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Don't think that Cristiano has been great for Adelaide but think that he could work better in a 2 striker system if we can find another one..

a.haak

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I certainly hope Ricki has his sights set a bit higher than Krishna and Corrales!
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Ruud Van Nistleroy to leave Real Madrid and retire to Wellington New Zealand.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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You guys seem to keep forgetting they occupy import slots.
Diego + Krishna + Corrales = 2 import slots left.
 
IF they are signed by the Nix, then it will be after Ricki and co have looked at what options are available to them overseas, and looking at securing talent that is proven at a higher level than the NZFC. With that in mind, I would think that if someone presented a solid offer to either of those players tomorrow, they may be gone by the time we come around to looking at them.
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Seeing as Luis has been here for 3 or 4 years now, I imagine that could be resolved with a little paperwork.

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valeo wrote:
Don't think that Cristiano has been great for Adelaide but think that he could work better in a 2 striker system if we can find another one..
 
Scored 8 goals this season. Find another 6+ shooter he can team up with and we'll be dynamite next season. 
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Expansion clubs get 5 imports for their first 2 seasons after that they get 4 just like the rest of us. Daniel and Diego is 2 so two more allowed from Corrales, Krishna + scouted English League players - based on that only one of Krishna and Corrales can be signed if at all.

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PROAK wrote:
Expansion clubs get 5 imports for their first 2 seasons after that they get 4 just like the rest of us. Daniel and Diego is 2 so two more allowed from Corrales, Krishna + scouted English League players - based on that only one of Krishna and Corrales can be signed if at all.
 
Is Daniel still considered an import by the AFA. He's now a naturalised Kiwi.
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Daniel will not be counted as an import next season. End of.
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Hard News wrote:
Daniel is counted as a kiwi now Riccardo.
 
Got your answer about Daniel in while I was still typing mine. I'm definitely getting a yard slower with every passing year. 
 
What about Luis? You said  he's been here 3 or 4 years. Is that long enough to become a Kiwi? 
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