Wellington Phoenix Men

R1 vs Newcastle Jets | Sun 21st Oct | 5:00pm | Westpac Stadium

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over 7 years ago

This is what I anticipate will be the starting team. Tough to call for Burns vs Williams - Williams has looked sharp and has been doing heaps of media and promo stuff - but Burns skills have a higher ceiling than Williams, and he's a confidence player, therefore I have him starting. Would like to see Way and/or Burgess come off the bench

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 7 years ago

This is what I anticipate will be the starting team. Tough to call for Burns vs Williams - Williams has looked sharp and has been doing heaps of media and promo stuff - but Burns skills have a higher ceiling than Williams, and he's a confidence player, therefore I have him starting. Would like to see Way and/or Burgess come off the bench

Some may disagree but I am comfortable with our squad as it stands. Still room to build but the good bones are there

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 7 years ago

Bones are good, but needs more meat.

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over 7 years ago

I'm not particularly confident going in with Rufer starting in midfield, but have fingers crossed he goes alright.

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over 7 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

I'm not particularly confident going in with Rufer Burns starting in midfield, but have fingers crossed he goes alright.

fixed, on form to date (but fingers crossed and best of luck)

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 7 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

 Motivational Music time!

Phoenix support squad are lean, mean and fighting fit - I hope the team on the park wil be the same

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 7 years ago

Been outa the phoenix loop for a bit, so just watched the clips from the game against victory,  then the latest interview with rudan,  and i am PUMPED

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over 7 years ago

3-0 Nixs!

Mr Positive

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over 7 years ago

This is my pick for line up and subs for this weekends game

Not a real fan, just pretending to be one!

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over 7 years ago

Doyle at left, fox comes in, Cacace on the bench.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

Jeff Vader wrote:

Doyle at left, fox comes in, Cacace on the bench.

Agree 100%, that was exactly what I thought immediately. 

Need Fox to start, otherwise Merrick's Merry Men may simply draw out Doyle and target Dura and Cacace in the first 10-15 minutes and although we'd recover, it would be an uphill battle for the rest of the day from a bad start.  

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

Rudan talked about being more attack minded at home, and having a bit more of a defensive line up in Australia. I would like to see Burns, Willaims and Nichols all on the pitch, which he could do with a 4-1-2-3.

 Burns         Williams       Krishna

         Nichols          Singh

                    Mandi

Doyle   Durante   Taylor    Fenton

                      Kurto

Just thought I'd put it out there. Everyone else seems pretty decided on 5-2-1-2, with wing backs.

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over 7 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Doyle at left, fox comes in, Cacace on the bench.

Why change a back five that has played together the last 3-4 preseason game?
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over 7 years ago

Yes continuity at the back this season please,build from there

                                                                        COYN    

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over 7 years ago

Ranix wrote:

Rudan talked about being more attack minded at home, and having a bit more of a defensive line up in Australia. I would like to see Burns, Willaims and Nichols all on the pitch, which he could do with a 4-1-2-3.

 Burns         Williams       Krishna

         Nichols          Singh

                    Mandi

Doyle   Durante   Taylor    Fenton

                      Kurto

Just thought I'd put it out there. Everyone else seems pretty decided on 5-2-1-2, with wing backs.

While he did say that, he's still a defensively minded coach. I think its likely we see two core formations this year - the 5-3-2, and something like a 4-2-3-1 or a defensive 4-3-3. One holding mid is fine for if we have five at the back, but I don't think our squad is strong enough to play keep-ball and dominate possession, therefore one defensive midfielder in a four man back line is too risky. Thats not to say he couldn't just drop Nichols back into a defensive role with the intent to deploy him as a deep playmaker or box to box player. Your formation above could very possibly be played, but I would say Nichols is more likely in that case to occupy a similar starting position as Mandi, with Singh playing much further forward. 
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 7 years ago

For a team that has leaked goals like crazy, our main aim should be to have a solid defensive platform to build on. Of course, this may be more difficult if we don't have two top class screening DM's..

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

I'm ready to go another round. This off season has been way too long.

Enough of the quality analysis. Let's get on with the show. 

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over 7 years ago

Ranix wrote:

Rudan talked about being more attack minded at home, and having a bit more of a defensive line up in Australia. I would like to see Burns, Willaims and Nichols all on the pitch, which he could do with a 4-1-2-3.

 Burns         Williams       Krishna

         Nichols          Singh

                    Mandi

Doyle   Durante   Taylor    Fenton

                      Kurto

Just thought I'd put it out there. Everyone else seems pretty decided on 5-2-1-2, with wing backs.

While he did say that, he's still a defensively minded coach. I think its likely we see two core formations this year - the 5-3-2, and something like a 4-2-3-1 or a defensive 4-3-3. One holding mid is fine for if we have five at the back, but I don't think our squad is strong enough to play keep-ball and dominate possession, therefore one defensive midfielder in a four man back line is too risky. Thats not to say he couldn't just drop Nichols back into a defensive role with the intent to deploy him as a deep playmaker or box to box player. Your formation above could very possibly be played, but I would say Nichols is more likely in that case to occupy a similar starting position as Mandi, with Singh playing much further forward. 

I totally agree that we need to shore up our defence as first priority. Rudan has talked about having two team structures and 5 at the back with wing-backs, this is the popular first choice as seen in pre season. If we go two goals down or find our wingback are in-effective we do need to have a plan B. I agree that is more likely to still include 2 DM players. Nichols (or Rufer) can play a deeper holding midfield role, more of a 4-2-1-3. Makes sense. The popular choice is Mandi and Rufer as DM players being incumbents from MV game. Be interesting to see if Mandi is fit enough for 90 min and how Kopa and Nichols are employed. 

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over 7 years ago

This is my pick for line up and subs for this weekends game

Agree that looks like Rudan's eleven, and it's basically the lineup for the MV game. He might like to have two backs on the bench.

Subs then might be Sail, Fox, Lowry, Nichols, and Burgess.

I'd rather Nichols started ahead of Rufer (both are AMs but I think Nichols is a better player) - no other changes.

Missing out: Kopa ('injury'), Elliot, Burns (form) and Way.

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over 7 years ago

nixin wrote:

This is my pick for line up and subs for this weekends game

Agree that looks like Rudan's eleven, and it's basically the lineup for the MV game. He might like to have two backs on the bench.

Subs then might be Sail, Fox, Lowry, Nichols, and Burgess.

I'd rather Nichols started ahead of Rufer (both are AMs but I think Nichols is a better player) - no other changes.

Missing out: Kopa ('injury'), Elliot, Burns (form) and Way.

I know you're often harsh on Burns but jeez mate, not even making the bench? Lowry out for Burns I reckon. No way does he start with five at the back and yet have two more centre backs on the bench. I hear he's not sold yet on Cacace starting as wing back, so personally I think we could see Doyle start there and shifting Taylor across to the left sided centre back, with Fox coming in on the right. Because there are three centre backs, its pretty unlikely that any of them will be completely gassed by full time. much more likely that the wing backs will need replacing. If a centre back does need to come off, then you would just shift Doyle back, and in my opinion sub on Way. That leaves you with mainly attacking subs, but gives you sufficient cover and depth at the back. Subs should be Sail, Way, Nichols, Burgess or Kopa, and Burns.
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 7 years ago

I personally don't expect to see our wing backs doing much defending, but pushing high and supporting the attacks.

When we are defending I expect either the LCB or RCB will push wide to cover any attacks down the flanks as the two DM drop in to help protect the center of the pitch.

In effect I think we will be playing a 5 and 5 system - on attack we have Carcace, Singh, Williams, Krishna and Fenton with Rufer and Madi being outlets to shuffle the ball if needed.

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over 7 years ago

If thats the case then there is going to plenty of squeaky bum moments this season if Taylor and Dura are left to cover fast counter attacks.As much as i like Dura i really dont see him as part of the answer to what has been a very leaky defence the last few seasons. Had really hoped Fox would step especially with Taylor to learn from. Hope Dura proves me wrong but really cant see it.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 7 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I personally don't expect to see our wing backs doing much defending, but pushing high and supporting the attacks.

When we are defending I expect either the LCB or RCB will push wide to cover any attacks down the flanks as the two DM drop in to help protect the center of the pitch.

In effect I think we will be playing a 5 and 5 system - on attack we have Carcace, Singh, Williams, Krishna and Fenton with Rufer and Madi being outlets to shuffle the ball if needed.

I rate Zullo as one of the best wing-backs in the comp. The way he gets down the left and his delivery into the box is excellent. Also the service he got last year from Jordi Buijs with the long raking ball from right back to left wing was awesome. Hope Taylor has that delivery in his bag of tricks.

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over 7 years ago

nixin wrote:

This is my pick for line up and subs for this weekends game

Agree that looks like Rudan's eleven, and it's basically the lineup for the MV game. He might like to have two backs on the bench.

Subs then might be Sail, Fox, Lowry, Nichols, and Burgess.

I'd rather Nichols started ahead of Rufer (both are AMs but I think Nichols is a better player) - no other changes.

Missing out: Kopa ('injury'), Elliot, Burns (form) and Way.

I know you're often harsh on Burns but jeez mate, not even making the bench? Lowry out for Burns I reckon. No way does he start with five at the back and yet have two more centre backs on the bench. I hear he's not sold yet on Cacace starting as wing back, so personally I think we could see Doyle start there and shifting Taylor across to the left sided centre back, with Fox coming in on the right. Because there are three centre backs, its pretty unlikely that any of them will be completely gassed by full time. much more likely that the wing backs will need replacing. If a centre back does need to come off, then you would just shift Doyle back, and in my opinion sub on Way. That leaves you with mainly attacking subs, but gives you sufficient cover and depth at the back. Subs should be Sail, Way, Nichols, Burgess or Kopa, and Burns.

I would not be surprised if Rudan is the man to motivate Burns out of his form slumber.  Burns was not benched last season but Rudan may want to challenge him to get back to his best form by playing Williams instead. Sometimes that is all that it takes.

Have you ever wondered why Burns chose to return to Wellington? Maybe he hoped we would be far more forgiving than some other club, and we would allow him time to recover his form while another club may have let him go sooner. I have nothing against that as long as the gamble eventually pays off.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 7 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

nixin wrote:

This is my pick for line up and subs for this weekends game

Agree that looks like Rudan's eleven, and it's basically the lineup for the MV game. He might like to have two backs on the bench.

Subs then might be Sail, Fox, Lowry, Nichols, and Burgess.

I'd rather Nichols started ahead of Rufer (both are AMs but I think Nichols is a better player) - no other changes.

Missing out: Kopa ('injury'), Elliot, Burns (form) and Way.

I know you're often harsh on Burns but jeez mate, not even making the bench? Lowry out for Burns I reckon. No way does he start with five at the back and yet have two more centre backs on the bench. I hear he's not sold yet on Cacace starting as wing back, so personally I think we could see Doyle start there and shifting Taylor across to the left sided centre back, with Fox coming in on the right. Because there are three centre backs, its pretty unlikely that any of them will be completely gassed by full time. much more likely that the wing backs will need replacing. If a centre back does need to come off, then you would just shift Doyle back, and in my opinion sub on Way. That leaves you with mainly attacking subs, but gives you sufficient cover and depth at the back. Subs should be Sail, Way, Nichols, Burgess or Kopa, and Burns.

I would not be surprised if Rudan is the man to motivate Burns out of his form slumber.  Burns was not benched last season but Rudan may want to challenge him to get back to his best form by playing Williams instead. Sometimes that is all that it takes.

Have you ever wondered why Burns chose to return to Wellington? Maybe he hoped we would be far more forgiving than some other club, and we would allow him time to recover his form while another club may have let him go sooner. I have nothing against that as long as the gamble eventually pays off.

Burns knows we really like him here, for sure. Williams seemed to be right in the mix against Victory. Burns as an impact player to start is fine. Don't think Krishna should rest on his laurels either.



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over 7 years ago

martinb wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

nixin wrote:

This is my pick for line up and subs for this weekends game

Agree that looks like Rudan's eleven, and it's basically the lineup for the MV game. He might like to have two backs on the bench.

Subs then might be Sail, Fox, Lowry, Nichols, and Burgess.

I'd rather Nichols started ahead of Rufer (both are AMs but I think Nichols is a better player) - no other changes.

Missing out: Kopa ('injury'), Elliot, Burns (form) and Way.

I know you're often harsh on Burns but jeez mate, not even making the bench? Lowry out for Burns I reckon. No way does he start with five at the back and yet have two more centre backs on the bench. I hear he's not sold yet on Cacace starting as wing back, so personally I think we could see Doyle start there and shifting Taylor across to the left sided centre back, with Fox coming in on the right. Because there are three centre backs, its pretty unlikely that any of them will be completely gassed by full time. much more likely that the wing backs will need replacing. If a centre back does need to come off, then you would just shift Doyle back, and in my opinion sub on Way. That leaves you with mainly attacking subs, but gives you sufficient cover and depth at the back. Subs should be Sail, Way, Nichols, Burgess or Kopa, and Burns.

I would not be surprised if Rudan is the man to motivate Burns out of his form slumber.  Burns was not benched last season but Rudan may want to challenge him to get back to his best form by playing Williams instead. Sometimes that is all that it takes.

Have you ever wondered why Burns chose to return to Wellington? Maybe he hoped we would be far more forgiving than some other club, and we would allow him time to recover his form while another club may have let him go sooner. I have nothing against that as long as the gamble eventually pays off.

Burns knows we really like him here, for sure. Williams seemed to be right in the mix against Victory. Burns as an impact player to start is fine. Don't think Krishna should rest on his laurels either.

I don't think Krishna would be complacent, but really it would take a lot for him to not start. I know Rudan said he doesn't give a shark about names, but if there are any players who are safe its gotta be Roy and Steven
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 7 years ago

JC wrote:

I'm ready to go another round. This off season has been way too long.

Enough of the quality analysis. Let's get on with the show. 

I think this post is way too attacking. Can't see Rudan playing so many words up front

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 7 years ago

Any word on the use of flares yet? Might have to do a bulk Aliexpress order if approved unless theres a safe vendor to purchase from.

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over 7 years ago

martinb wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

nixin wrote:

This is my pick for line up and subs for this weekends game

Agree that looks like Rudan's eleven, and it's basically the lineup for the MV game. He might like to have two backs on the bench.

Subs then might be Sail, Fox, Lowry, Nichols, and Burgess.

I'd rather Nichols started ahead of Rufer (both are AMs but I think Nichols is a better player) - no other changes.

Missing out: Kopa ('injury'), Elliot, Burns (form) and Way.

I know you're often harsh on Burns but jeez mate, not even making the bench? Lowry out for Burns I reckon. No way does he start with five at the back and yet have two more centre backs on the bench. I hear he's not sold yet on Cacace starting as wing back, so personally I think we could see Doyle start there and shifting Taylor across to the left sided centre back, with Fox coming in on the right. Because there are three centre backs, its pretty unlikely that any of them will be completely gassed by full time. much more likely that the wing backs will need replacing. If a centre back does need to come off, then you would just shift Doyle back, and in my opinion sub on Way. That leaves you with mainly attacking subs, but gives you sufficient cover and depth at the back. Subs should be Sail, Way, Nichols, Burgess or Kopa, and Burns.

I would not be surprised if Rudan is the man to motivate Burns out of his form slumber.  Burns was not benched last season but Rudan may want to challenge him to get back to his best form by playing Williams instead. Sometimes that is all that it takes.

Have you ever wondered why Burns chose to return to Wellington? Maybe he hoped we would be far more forgiving than some other club, and we would allow him time to recover his form while another club may have let him go sooner. I have nothing against that as long as the gamble eventually pays off.

Burns knows we really like him here, for sure. Williams seemed to be right in the mix against Victory. Burns as an impact player to start is fine. Don't think Krishna should rest on his laurels either.

I don't think Krishna would be complacent, but really it would take a lot for him to not start. I know Rudan said he doesn't give a shark about names, but if there are any players who are safe its gotta be Roy and Steven

Krishna was quite despondent at times last season. Often not even celebrating when he scored, I put this down to the coaching dynamic at the time. Am really hoping to see the old Krishna back and hope that Rudan is the person to bring out the best in him. Same goes for Burns, best thing would be to see him bang in a few quick goals then I am sure the confidence will return.

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over 7 years ago

The Guardian Season Preview

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/18/a...

Despite a couple of decent additions Wellington Phoenix’s threadbare squad continues to look short of trophy-winning quality and with rival clubs improving en masse it could be another wearisome campaign for the Yellow Fever.
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over 7 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:

Kia Kaha John?

Maybe with a shot of his mug so he knows it's for him, John isn't the rarest name

No doubt he'd be watching. Just make sure it's *Johnny. His name is Johnny.

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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over 7 years ago

Sancho wrote:

Any word on the use of flares yet? Might have to do a bulk Aliexpress order if approved unless theres a safe vendor to purchase from.

They have to be controlled by a registered pyro technic person. So the club is buying them and setting them off. But they are yellow and black, and apparently have arrived. 

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

I love FFA sanctioned fun, don't you? Can't wait for them organise each clubs cheer squad.

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

Referee: Daniel Elder

Assistant Referee 1: Mark Rule

Assistant Referee 2: Andrew Lindsay

Fourth Official: Ben Abraham

VAR: Nick Waldron


Wellington Phoenix squad: 1. Filip KURTO (gk), 4.Mandi 5.Ryan LOWRY, 6.Dylan FOX, 8.Mitch NICHOLS, 9. Nathan BURNS, 10. David WILLIAMS, 13. Liberato CACACE, 14. Alex RUFER, 15. Michal KOPCZYNSKI, 16. Louis FENTON, 18.Sarpreet SINGH, 19.Tom DOYLE, 20.Oliver SAIL (gk), 21.Roy KRISHNA, 22. Andrew DURANTE (c), 23. Max BURGESS, 27. Steven TAYLOR **two to be omitted**

Unavailable: Nil

Newcastle Jets squad: 1.Glen MOSS (gk), 3.Jason HOFFMAN, 4.Nigel BOOGAARD (c), 5.Ben KANTAROVSKI, 6.Steven UGARKOVIC, 7.Dimi PETRATOS, 8.Jair, 10.Ronald VARGAS, 11.Mitch AUSTIN, 13.Ivan VUJICA, 14.Kaine SHEPPARD, 16.Nick COWBURN, 17.Daniel GEORGIEVSKI, 20.Lewis ITALIANO (gk), 22.Lachlan JACKSON, 23.Matthew RIDENTON, 28.Patrick LANGLOIS, 44.Nikolai TOPOR-STANLEY **two to be omitted**

Unavailable: 9.Roy O’DONOVAN (suspension – 8 rounds), 18.Johnny KOUTROUMBIS (illness – TBC), 24.Joe CHAMPNESS (foot – TBC), 32.Angus THURGATE (international duty)

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over 7 years ago

RR wrote:

Referee: Daniel Elder

Assistant Referee 1: Mark Rule

Assistant Referee 2: Andrew Lindsay

Fourth Official: Ben Abraham

VAR: Nick Waldron

Wellington Phoenix squad: 1. Filip KURTO (gk), 4.Mandi 5.Ryan LOWRY, 6.Dylan FOX, 8.Mitch NICHOLS, 9. Nathan BURNS, 10. David WILLIAMS, 13. Liberato CACACE, 14. Alex RUFER, 15. Michal KOPCZYNSKI, 16. Louis FENTON, 18.Sarpreet SINGH, 19.Tom DOYLE, 20.Oliver SAIL (gk), 21.Roy KRISHNA, 22. Andrew DURANTE (c), 23. Max BURGESS, 27. Steven TAYLOR **two to be omitted**

Unavailable: Nil

Newcastle Jets squad: 1.Glen MOSS (gk), 3.Jason HOFFMAN, 4.Nigel BOOGAARD (c), 5.Ben KANTAROVSKI, 6.Steven UGARKOVIC, 7.Dimi PETRATOS, 8.Jair, 10.Ronald VARGAS, 11.Mitch AUSTIN, 13.Ivan VUJICA, 14.Kaine SHEPPARD, 16.Nick COWBURN, 17.Daniel GEORGIEVSKI, 20.Lewis ITALIANO (gk), 22.Lachlan JACKSON, 23.Matthew RIDENTON, 28.Patrick LANGLOIS, 44.Nikolai TOPOR-STANLEY **two to be omitted**

Unavailable: 9.Roy O’DONOVAN (suspension – 8 rounds), 18.Johnny KOUTROUMBIS (illness – TBC), 24.Joe CHAMPNESS (foot – TBC), 32.Angus THURGATE (international duty)

I look forward to Ernie replacing Moss with Italiano at half-time, so we can put a goal past each of them in each half.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 7 years ago

number8 wrote:

The Guardian Season Preview

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/18/a...

Despite a couple of decent additions Wellington Phoenix’s threadbare squad continues to look short of trophy-winning quality and with rival clubs improving en masse it could be another wearisome campaign for the Yellow Fever.

The only thing the Guardian got right in the 17/18 preview was Sydney finishing top. I note they have unsuprisingly not given placing predictions this year.

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over 7 years ago

RR wrote:

Referee: Daniel Elder

Assistant Referee 1: Mark Rule

Assistant Referee 2: Andrew Lindsay

Fourth Official: Ben Abraham

VAR: Nick Waldron

Four games in charge of the Nix, 2 draws and 2 losses. Only one before at Westpac was one of the draws

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 7 years ago

OMG, Italian is on the bench for the jets, all we need is something to happen to Moss and we have won. 

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

So looking forward to this Sunday. Have always thought Rudan was the guy to lift the benchmark. Yeah we might lose on Sunday, as we are always slow starters, but have a feeling that we will win well. If not, Newcastle will have to play out of their skins.

Rudan has identified the issues around lots of Kiwi players (re attitude), which is totally correct in a NZ football culture which unfortunately is very 'middle class' - which up until now -  has made it far too easy for Kiwi kids to progress to this level - and obviously with no rewards.

Many of us have lived and worked in Australia, and know how this works. They(Oz) kill for success - and we don't.

Just hope Morrison leaves Rudan alone to do his work.

OMG - if we do translate Rudan's dream early, then this we will become a hot ticket.

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over 7 years ago

tonya wrote:

So looking forward to this Sunday. Have always thought Rudan was the guy to lift the benchmark. Yeah we might lose on Sunday, as we are always slow starters, but have a feeling that we will win well. If not, Newcastle will have to play out of their skins.

Rudan has identified the issues around lots of Kiwi players (re attitude), which is totally correct in a NZ football culture which unfortunately is very 'middle class' - which up until now -  has made it far too easy for Kiwi kids to progress to this level - and obviously with no rewards.

Many of us have lived and worked in Australia, and know how this works. They(Oz) kill for success - and we don't.

Just hope Morrison leaves Rudan alone to do his work.

OMG - if we do translate Rudan's dream early, then this we will become a hot ticket.

We normally have half a squad away with the AWs week one. No excuses for a slow start this season.
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