Wellington Phoenix Men

R13 vs Western Sydney Wed 9.00pm SS4

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about 12 years ago

Overall mean stats mask the variation:

A statistician is someone who tells you, when you've got your head in the fridge and your feet in the oven, that you're – on average - very comfortable. (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/29/scientists-favourite-jokes)

His stats this season are rather less than "bloody good" and that's what needs to be further examined: Is this a "temporary dip in form" and we expect him to start banging them in again and go all Smeltz-like on us?  Or was last season the outlying blip and he will continue to struggle?


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about 12 years ago

I still can't believe Brown had 23 goals and Bertos 8.

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about 12 years ago

Does seem a lot for Leo doesn't it?


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about 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

Overall mean stats mask the variation:

A statistician is someone who tells you, when you've got your head in the fridge and your feet in the oven, that you're – on average - very comfortable. (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/29/scientists-favourite-jokes)

His stats this season are rather less than "bloody good" and that's what needs to be further examined: Is this a "temporary dip in form" and we expect him to start banging them in again and go all Smeltz-like on us?  Or was last season the outlying blip and he will continue to struggle?


The second option. Didn't he only get 1 goal in 15 games for Toronto too? (I know, a lot of those games as a sub, Toronto playing poorly so no service etc but still...)

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
el grapadura wrote:

I think the really interesting stat is the number of appearances it took them to score these goals:

Ifill 106 (33)   or scores in 31% of games. 

Brown 112 (23) or scores in 21% of games

Smeltz 39 (21) or scores in 54% of games (Total for A league 73 from 126 - 58%)

Greenacre 84 (19) or scores in 23% of games

Brockie 34 (18) or scores in 53% of games (Total for A league 34 from 108 - 31%)

Huysegems 35 (9) or scores in 26% of games


A finisher like Smeltzy from our first two seasons could make such a big difference to this team. 

Only 1% difference between Brockie and Smeltz - both on an off period at present I believe. But Smeltz has the better overall percentage.

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about 12 years ago


THE Prediction will be here later today.....

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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about 12 years ago

interesting stat would be percentages of winners and the percentage of consolation goals. Obviously considering last season that is going to go against Brockie.



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about 12 years ago

We want 3, we want 3!! Three wins in a row that is....

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about 12 years ago
Lonegunmen wrote:

We want 3, we want 3!! Three wins in a row that is....

This is one of those games that I'll happily take 1 point. Not gonna turn down 3 tho.
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about 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

Overall mean stats mask the variation:

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His stats this season are rather less than "bloody good" and that's what needs to be further examined: Is this a "temporary dip in form" and we expect him to start banging them in again and go all Smeltz-like on us?  Or was last season the outlying blip and he will continue to struggle?


The second option. Didn't he only get 1 goal in 15 games for Toronto too? (I know, a lot of those games as a sub, Toronto playing poorly so no service etc but still...)


That is precisely why I asked a few days ago what Brockie's seasons were like prior to 2012. Someone answered that Brockie did not play regularly as a striker before then (or something like that if I recall). Which is why I am still mystified about his current form. There is a bit of a difference between being rarely in a position to score but having a high conversion rate (which is how I think of Tim Brown), and being often in a position to score but failing to do so (which is how Brockie is this season). I firmly believe last year was a blip. What did he do before 2012?

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago
Lonegunmen wrote:

We want 3, we want 3!! Three wins in a row that is....

This is one of those games that I'll happily take 1 point. Not gonna turn down 3 tho.

i second this.
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about 12 years ago

Practically half his goals in the A-league came last season.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
asmodeus_82 wrote:

Anyone have any word on our injured or possibly injured players?

Fenton, Stein, Hernandez? Have I missed anyone?

Ridenton and Shermy flew over to join the squad. It was also reported that Fenton will stay with the squad and is a possibility to play against WSW.


Reported this morning in the Dom:

'He [Fenton] seems to think he'll be alright but obviously the medical staff will assess him over the next couple of days,'' Durante said.

''He said it just popped out but popped back in straight away. He said it was a little bit uncomfortable but I don't think he's done any more major damage or anything. I think he'll have that issue for a while, that it may pop out. But he seems to think he'll be alright anyway.''

Hernandez is still managing a troublesome quad injury while the hard-working Huysegems is experiencing hamstring tightness.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/football/9561985/

But this afternoon NewstalkZB reports:

A second dislocated shoulder suffered in Friday's win over the Melbourne Heart has Fenton facing a stint on the A-League sidelines.

Coach Ernie Merrick says there are a host of contenders to fill in at right back.

"We've got a number of midfielders, even Michael Boxall who's generally a centre back that could play at the right back position.

"Plus there's cover, we've brought across Josh Brindell-South. So we've got a number of options."

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/20534840/football-host-of-contenders-to-fill-fentons-gap-merrick/


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about 12 years ago


Brockie is an interesting case. He clearly has a knack for spectacular goals and last year he just randomly got more opportunities to score them. I think was in part due to to the scrappy way we played under Ricki combined with poor performances in general which meant that other teams' defenses backed off us a bit when they already had comfortable leads. Combined with a few regulation finishes and at least one flukey unintentional goal that was actually a cross which caught the wind he got a great tally. This year for the first time there's pressure on him to provide a lot of goals but at the same time the sort of scrappy half chances that he blasted into the top corner last year have dried up. Every season before this one he wasn't in the team primarily as a goal scorer with the possible exception of last year, and last year he had no pressure on him because he was on a roll and everything was falling his way.

Put simply I think the way we're playing this year hasn't helped create the sort of chances he enjoys and at the same time he's caved under pressure - he went to Toronto with the expectation that he'd score goals and he didn't, he's never scored for the AWs and then he missed a penalty in a WC qualifier, then he comes back to his club and everyone expects him to score like last year and he can't. Maybe a spell on the wing or something would help him because the pressure to score wouldn't be so great. Of course then we need another striker... But we need one of those anyway, especially if Brockie can't score.

 

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about 12 years ago

Love to see the jbs out there.

As for brockie. Confidence is an amazing thing. You can train on strength, technique and fitness but you cant confidence. But have faith. I believe once he knocks in 1, more will flow from it. And he did score a beauty against wsw earlier this season. Which is encouraging. Maybe they are about to become his bunnies.

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about 12 years ago

I tend to agree with Conan, brokie lived on scoring goals against the run of play or form areas that noone would think of trying.....now that our midfield and backs are working the ball forward better and getting the ball to feet he is having to get himself into "better" scoring positions - this is what he struggles at - being where the ball is going to be and then scoring. Stein does it better but lacks a bit of killer "shoot now" instinct. We need a stiker who can get into good position and shoot immediately or after a single good touch of the ball - currently we do not have this in any of our front men.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
Blew.2 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:

I think the really interesting stat is the number of appearances it took them to score these goals:

Ifill 106 (33)   or scores in 31% of games. 

Brown 112 (23) or scores in 21% of games

Smeltz 39 (21) or scores in 54% of games (Total for A league 73 from 126 - 58%)

Greenacre 84 (19) or scores in 23% of games

Brockie 34 (18) or scores in 53% of games (Total for A league 34 from 108 - 31%)

Huysegems 35 (9) or scores in 26% of games


A finisher like Smeltzy from our first two seasons could make such a big difference to this team. 

Only 1% difference between Brockie and Smeltz - both on an off period at present I believe. But Smeltz has the better overall percentage.


However Smeltz never had a long barren patch when he was at the Nix.

In terms of the others from 2009/10 to 2011/12 - the goal scoring was shared around Ifill, Greenie and Brown, plus good contributions from Dadi, Macalister and Sanchez.  So back then it didn't matter that no one was particularly prolific - we still got them on a regular basis and made the finals three years in a row.  

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about 12 years ago

Arguably the toughest away game right now, as WSW look to hit their straps, guns comeback, and have clearly earmarked it as a game to win well. Test to see how we handle it, but hoping for a really good performance, and last chance for Brockie to fire before they call in the cavalry. Brockie has to start against WSW - with Boyd the impact player. Be doing really well to come away with points.

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about 12 years ago

Referee: Lucien Laverdure

Oh bugga, he was the ref in the 0-0 draw at the Ring of Fire earlier this season.

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about 12 years ago


OK Feverites, THE Prediction is here.....

The Blessed Ernie is on a roll, and the Phoenix is rising from the pyre of the start of the season.

 I predict the WSW orc-fans will look the other way, because they won't be able to stand watching us.....

Beating them, 2-0.

ALWAYS REMEMBER-

We are the Mighty Phoenix! We can beat Anybody!

 

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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about 12 years ago


"Phoenix till they lose"

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about 12 years ago

Referee: Lucien Laverdure

Oh bugga, he was the ref in the 0-0 draw at the Ring of Fire earlier this season.


Not the Labrador. Crap ref.
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about 12 years ago

Lucien Laverdure.Definitely sounds like an Evil Wizzard.

2-1 to us would be the go but any points will do

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about 12 years ago

Article in the Doom Post quotes Dura talking about Boyd..."great talent ....but....Ernie asked him to get in behind but he PLAYED TO FEET so he sat out a few games"....if he does what he's told....will be a great asset..."


Anyone know what he means by "played to feet" in that context?  Its an expression I am not familiar with.

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about 12 years ago

Sorry.....Dura actually said  "he was instructed to get in behind but he came to feet"  


What does that mean?

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

umm sounds like a misquote but maybe Dura's talking about Boyd's movement off the ball??  Coming to the ball carrier looking to receive and clogging up space, rather than setting up to receive behind the fullback?  

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about 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

Sorry.....Dura actually said  "he was instructed to get in behind but he came to feet"  


What does that mean?

I suspect receiving the ball and trying to take a player on and failing rather than use his pace to get in behind defence or on outside

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about 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

Sorry.....Dura actually said  "he was instructed to get in behind but he came to feet"  


What does that mean?


For me, coming to feet would mean looking to receive the ball in a stationary position in front of the defender, as opposed to looking to get in behind the defender and looking to receive the ball in space at speed.
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about 12 years ago

even a sheepdog would understand.... get in behind

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 12 years ago

So to sum up, Boyd was not listening to the coaching.

That's the first time Dura has called out one of his own. Interesting.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

So to sum up, Boyd was not listening to the coaching.

That's the first time Dura has called out one of his own. Interesting.

In my books that is an unusual call for a team captain - to hang out half-clean laundry in public. Boyd is still but a slip of a lad.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago
Mainland FC wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

So to sum up, Boyd was not listening to the coaching.

That's the first time Dura has called out one of his own. Interesting.

In my books that is an unusual call for a team captain - to hang out half-clean laundry in public. Boyd is still but a slip of a lad.

Agree.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago

much confusion

such gusses

wow



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about 12 years ago

Ernie Take Control

Ricki Wept!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Mainland FC wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

So to sum up, Boyd was not listening to the coaching.

That's the first time Dura has called out one of his own. Interesting.

In my books that is an unusual call for a team captain - to hang out half-clean laundry in public. Boyd is still but a slip of a lad.

Agree.

this is stirring from the dom post. probabky a case of Boyd got a rush of blood to the head (hey he is young). Earnie would have talked to him, stood him down if needed, and Boyd will have learnt from it. Dura is just mentioning old news here.
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about 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

Sorry.....Dura actually said  "he was instructed to get in behind but he came to feet"  


What does that mean?

If he "came to feet" that means Boyd was playing with his back to goal and dropping off defenders to receive the ball. Huysegems usually fills this role for us in order to link the midfield with our attack. If a player is to "get in behind" the coach wants him to play facing the goal and to move into channels in order to make runs in behind the defenders to receive the ball. 
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about 12 years ago

Hernandez in doubt by the sounds of it.Getting xrays on a wrist.

"He must have fallen awkwardly at some point, I don't know if it was in the game [on Friday against Melbourne Heart] or in a training session, he didn't say much," Merrick said yesterday.

Was in the game Ernie pretty clear when he did it.Surprised coaching staff missed it.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 12 years ago
ballane wrote:

Hernandez in doubt by the sounds of it.Getting xrays on a wrist.

"He must have fallen awkwardly at some point, I don't know if it was in the game [on Friday against Melbourne Heart] or in a training session, he didn't say much," Merrick said yesterday.

Was in the game Ernie pretty clear when he did it.Surprised coaching staff missed it.


That's because he tripped up while carrying his family bucket of KFC!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 12 years ago

On a side note it is refreshing to see the FFA act so swiftly in dealing with the growing issue of the WSW fans and their well documented hooligan element...

*rolls eyes*

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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