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R14 vs CCM Sun 12 Jan 7pm - Kids Go Free

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about 12 years ago
chefmivec wrote:


Did Mcbreen leave ccm?


He was away and the last game (against Heart) was his first since he came back (can't remember why, injury prob.)
By the look on his face, he was hoping to score against Heart and was pissed off, as were many spectators, that he didn't.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago


was wondering why I havn't herd much from him this season

I LOVE LAMP

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about 12 years ago
chefmivec wrote:


was wondering why I havn't herd much from him this season

He went off to China in the off season and came back with a case of the Brockies.
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about 12 years ago

I'm picking:

                      Moss
Boxall   Sigmund     Dura     Muscat
             Lia    Reira     Kenny
                     Carlos
           Waffles       Brockie

Subs: Italiano Leo Hicks Boyd Krishna

Hicks to come on for Kenny, Boyd for Carlos, Krishna for Brockie during the game.

Harsh on Ridenton, maybe could have him instead of Hicks.

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about 12 years ago

My guess is we won't see either of the two new guys this week, given the results of the last few weeks. Had we lost the last three it may have been panic stations but that's obviously not the case.

Tough on Lujic as he's going to have to have a blinder in training for the next two weeks in order to have any chance of being signed.

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about 12 years ago

I am loving this attacking depth we have all of a sudden... with the new lads here and the young lads starting to shine, no one is safe!


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about 12 years ago
mykey wrote:

I am loving this attacking depth we have all of a sudden... with the new lads here and the young lads starting to shine, no one is safe!



And that is the whole point
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about 12 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
mykey wrote:

I am loving this attacking depth we have all of a sudden... with the new lads here and the young lads starting to shine, no one is safe!



And that is the whole point

Yes and I love it. Never been like that here before no favourites etc
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about 12 years ago
Mainland FC wrote:

On the fastest over 20m thing, he's come from the American college system and MLS and they are obsessed with the 40 yard timed speed. Quickness over that distance can be influenced greatly through practise and simply doing it a lot. NZ sports don't get too carried away with it and so most players will have developed very little technique to get a quick start etc. This might sound a bit strange but I can vouch for it being true, that's why you hear about how quick some of these behemoths in the NFL are - the American obsession with stats means you need to get good times and other testing results just to get people to look at you. I can give you an example of a guy I was involved in testing for a college gridiron scholarship, he tested really badly, his 40 time was bad and he just couldn't get the start right on the day, he didn't get looked at again, yet he went on to play senior rep rugby for Auckland and Manu Samoa as a loose forward and was widely seen as being quick.


That's an interesting insight, thanks for that. Would you say this is something that we should look at as an ancillary skill for young striker / winger development? It is not a substitute for missing core skills, obviously.
I am speaking from personal experience - for the past 20-odd years most of my tennis wins came from better reaction time than my opponents, but not from better technique, which I neglected somewhat as a result.

The flipside to that, at least in the NFL, is that some really good talent gets overlooked because they don't post 'acceptable' times in these types of drills.
In general, I would say better reaction time is better achieved through better reading of the game and anticipation rather than simple explosiveness (although that helps too).
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about 12 years ago
Mainland FC wrote:
detoxin wrote:

I'm leaving the country again ( won all 3 games since I've ben back home) so have a feeling it could be a loss again....



What's your passport number again? (dials the border control)

Yeah my son watched the 22/12 game but he has returned to 09 since...

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 12 years ago

I'm picking:

                      Moss
Boxall   Sigmund     Dura     Muscat
             Lia    Reira     Kenny
                     Carlos
           Waffles       Brockie

Subs: Italiano Leo Hicks Boyd Krishna

Hicks to come on for Kenny, Boyd for Carlos, Krishna for Brockie during the game.

Harsh on Ridenton, maybe could have him instead of Hicks.


All OK, but instead of the above perhaps Boyd late for Brockie (or Kenny), and then Krishna only for the last 5 - 10 min.
Hicks on for Carlos later in 2nd half if he is still sulking.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Mainland FC wrote:

On the fastest over 20m thing, he's come from the American college system and MLS and they are obsessed with the 40 yard timed speed. Quickness over that distance can be influenced greatly through practise and simply doing it a lot. NZ sports don't get too carried away with it and so most players will have developed very little technique to get a quick start etc. This might sound a bit strange but I can vouch for it being true, that's why you hear about how quick some of these behemoths in the NFL are - the American obsession with stats means you need to get good times and other testing results just to get people to look at you. I can give you an example of a guy I was involved in testing for a college gridiron scholarship, he tested really badly, his 40 time was bad and he just couldn't get the start right on the day, he didn't get looked at again, yet he went on to play senior rep rugby for Auckland and Manu Samoa as a loose forward and was widely seen as being quick.


That's an interesting insight, thanks for that. Would you say this is something that we should look at as an ancillary skill for young striker / winger development? It is not a substitute for missing core skills, obviously.
I am speaking from personal experience - for the past 20-odd years most of my tennis wins came from better reaction time than my opponents, but not from better technique, which I neglected somewhat as a result.


The flipside to that, at least in the NFL, is that some really good talent gets overlooked because they don't post 'acceptable' times in these types of drills.

In general, I would say better reaction time is better achieved through better reading of the game and anticipation rather than simple explosiveness (although that helps too).

the difference in American football is that every single play begins with a standing start. I may be over simplifying it but this 20m/40yd dash stuff is only one indicator of athleticism. Whatever level you are recruiting for you'll want the athletes that score top in as many areas as possible I suppose. The yanks have really over complicated a lot of this stuff as well as coming up with some real cutting edge stuff that crosses over well to other sports. 
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about 12 years ago
threatD wrote:

Carlos has been extremely underwhelming thus far imo, especially his shooting


Agreed.  The problem is that with Hicks as his replacement (who has also been pretty underwhelming) I'm not sure we can afford to leave him out.  I think though on this form I'd say thanks but no thanks to a second term

Normo's coming home

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about 12 years ago
james dean wrote:
threatD wrote:

Carlos has been extremely underwhelming thus far imo, especially his shooting


Agreed.  The problem is that with Hicks as his replacement (who has also been pretty underwhelming) I'm not sure we can afford to leave him out.  I think though on this form I'd say thanks but no thanks to a second term

Underwhelming? I think Hicks has been quite good! Perhaps less so in the AM role, he certainly no Carlos but I think his passing and interplay has been great.

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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about 12 years ago

Ernie says Roy unlikely to play this weekend. maybe he is saving him for he debut in Akld. Or just put the cat among the pigeons( brockie, boyd and waffles) and will see how they react to it this weekend.

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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about 12 years ago

Not sure about his passing, gives the ball away a bit too much. Sure has shown some excellent pieces and is most certainly one for the future but I feel a lot of the ravings about him are a tad over the top. I'd file him as an extremely talented prospect.

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about 12 years ago


hasn't  carlos had a few assists this season . sunday is his game to shine . Plus I got a tenner on the nix to win so I have to be positive

I LOVE LAMP

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about 12 years ago
asmodeus_82 wrote:
james dean wrote:
threatD wrote:

Carlos has been extremely underwhelming thus far imo, especially his shooting


Agreed.  The problem is that with Hicks as his replacement (who has also been pretty underwhelming) I'm not sure we can afford to leave him out.  I think though on this form I'd say thanks but no thanks to a second term

Underwhelming? I think Hicks has been quite good! Perhaps less so in the AM role, he certainly no Carlos but I think his passing and interplay has been great.

Im not sure that he has been that good...doesnt seem to take any kind of control and his passing is a bit underwhelming for me. I believe that he could get better but at the moment for me the jury is still out

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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about 12 years ago

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

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about 12 years ago
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

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about 12 years ago
tonya wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came to us as a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 

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about 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
tonya wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came touas s a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 


People should pipe down then...
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about 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
tonya wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came to us as a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 

Agreed, waiting for that Kenny performance that will even resemble a Costa Rican international

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
tonya wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came to us as a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 

Agreed, waiting for that Kenny performance that will even resemble a Costa Rican international

Not sure we are playing him in his best position tbh. He doesn't look comfortable being in the middle of the park in the narrow diamond, he would probably be more suited playing wider.
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about 12 years ago

Hopefully he'll have a blinder this Sunday, then we'll know.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 12 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
Fitzy wrote:
tonya wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came touas s a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 


People should pipe down then...

... *googles "plumbing puns"*

 

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about 12 years ago

Well the "plumber" has shown a lot more than the proven international although there were a few games there when Kenny actually played quite well.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
tonya wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came to us as a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 

Agreed, waiting for that Kenny performance that will even resemble a Costa Rican international

Not sure we are playing him in his best position tbh. He doesn't look comfortable being in the middle of the park in the narrow diamond, he would probably be more suited playing wider.
I thought Kenny was usually found hugging the left hand touch line.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago
paullt wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
james dean wrote:
threatD wrote:

Carlos has been extremely underwhelming thus far imo, especially his shooting


Agreed.  The problem is that with Hicks as his replacement (who has also been pretty underwhelming) I'm not sure we can afford to leave him out.  I think though on this form I'd say thanks but no thanks to a second term

Underwhelming? I think Hicks has been quite good! Perhaps less so in the AM role, he certainly no Carlos but I think his passing and interplay has been great.

Im not sure that he has been that good...doesnt seem to take any kind of control and his passing is a bit underwhelming for me. I believe that he could get better but at the moment for me the jury is still out


Hes neat and tidy but really struggle to think of any chances hes created. His passing is ok but not penetrative but hes not quick and hasn't shown much in an attacking sense. Would he get into midfield at Brisbane, west sydney or Melbourne? think hes the type of player we need to try and upgrade.

Normo's coming home

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about 12 years ago
Fenix wrote:

Really quite worried about Boxall as RB. ... despite reading Ernie say that he is the fastest in the squad on 20m sprints, he looks quite slow and "bulky".

I was interested by that call as well. I have thought once or twice he looks like a carthorse - is he really quickest over 20m???


NFL players tend to be exceptionally fast over 40m despite their "bulk". Fast-twitch muscle.
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about 12 years ago
threatD wrote:

Carlos has been extremely underwhelming thus far imo, especially his shooting

Not sure he'd be winning the 40m dash

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about 12 years ago
james dean wrote:
paullt wrote:
asmodeus_82 wrote:
james dean wrote:
threatD wrote:

Carlos has been extremely underwhelming thus far imo, especially his shooting


Agreed.  The problem is that with Hicks as his replacement (who has also been pretty underwhelming) I'm not sure we can afford to leave him out.  I think though on this form I'd say thanks but no thanks to a second term

Underwhelming? I think Hicks has been quite good! Perhaps less so in the AM role, he certainly no Carlos but I think his passing and interplay has been great.

Im not sure that he has been that good...doesnt seem to take any kind of control and his passing is a bit underwhelming for me. I believe that he could get better but at the moment for me the jury is still out


Hes neat and tidy but really struggle to think of any chances hes created. His passing is ok but not penetrative but hes not quick and hasn't shown much in an attacking sense. Would he get into midfield at Brisbane, west sydney or Melbourne? think hes the type of player we need to try and upgrade.


To be honest, he would not get into the squad at Heart either, because they already have people capable of fast, ineffectual running (Mifsud).
I do not know if we should put so much credibility in speed (as in Cunningham) instead of vision and footballing brain even if slower (as in Huysegems). I know who has been getting more into position for us, without flaky dive in the penalty area.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came to us as a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 


Good point. Mind you those toilets at Westpac need a good sort out

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about 12 years ago


You have all woefully misintepreted my point about Kenny.

 

 

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about 12 years ago
Fenix wrote:
threatD wrote:

Carlos has been extremely underwhelming thus far imo, especially his shooting

Not sure he'd be winning the 40m dash


what about the hurdles?
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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

Jason Pine @pineyzb

Ernie Merrick confirms Jeremy Brockie will start v CCM on Sunday #aleague

Roy Krishna won't feature in the Phoenix matchday squad on Sunday #aleague

[Edit: didn't wanna make a new post for the Krishna tweet]

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about 12 years ago

Jason Pine @pineyzb

Ernie Merrick confirms Jeremy Brockie will start v CCM on Sunday #bleague

fixed
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about 12 years ago
 waiting for that Kenny performance that will even resemble a Costa Rican international

Also: waiting for that Carlos performance that will even resemble a Costa Rican international.

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about 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
tonya wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I'm pretty positive about Hicks. He has given the ball away too many times but he creates quite a few problems for the opposition and his workrate is really high keeping him involved in the game a lot.

Yeah I don't have any majors re Hicks either - in fact has probably exceeded my expectations in one of two areas. Like the way he gets involved.  

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came to us as a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 

Agreed, waiting for that Kenny performance that will even resemble a Costa Rican international

Not sure we are playing him in his best position tbh. He doesn't look comfortable being in the middle of the park in the narrow diamond, he would probably be more suited playing wider.

His crossing has been fairly rubbish too though when he has got into wider positions. IMO We would have got a lot better return from playing Leo where he has been played.


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about 12 years ago
martinb wrote:
Fitzy wrote:

Expectation is the key there I think. Imo Hicks and Cunningham have performed fairly similarly, but when one came to us a key marquee player, world cup starter, and the other came to us as a plumber, that's always going to colour how they're viewed.

 

Agreed, waiting for that Kenny performance that will even resemble a Costa Rican international

Not sure we are playing him in his best position tbh. He doesn't look comfortable being in the middle of the park in the narrow diamond, he would probably be more suited playing wider.

His crossing has been fairly rubbish too though when he has got into wider positions. IMO We would have got a lot better return from playing Leo where he has been played.


There must be a reason Ernie is not fielding Leo very much (viz. last game where he put Boxy on the park when Fenton went off). Once you field an allegedly fast CB (Boxall) instead of a once fast winger (Leo) you know that Leo is too slow in Ernie's eyes to make a difference.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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