since day one there must have been at least ten games where the referee has cost us points. And im struggling to recall any where the phoenix has been the beneficiary. Tonights performance ny the referee was shockingly incompetent.
if they are not either totally incompetent or being bought they should all be sent for unconscious bias assessment.
the guy should be embarrassed when he watches the replay.
Sadly the VAR controversy will take away the focus from what should be very positive talk of what was a very good Nix performance.
Dura, Taylor, Singh, Burns all excellent. Everyone else very good
First half I would add Mandi and especially Rufer to the list of 'excellent'.
under 5k attended a win would have been great for our season but now I expect an even lower crowd next home game because we didn’t win. Fk you var
so um, lots of talking points but did we at least score from open play? (I'm on a plane somewhere over an ocean right now).
so um, lots of talking points but did we at least score from open play? (I'm on a plane somewhere over an ocean right now).
What's sight without sound? Love without peace? Copulation without conception?
positives first: we played a hell of a lot better than we have all season, good positioning and great runs into space from burns, singh and Krishna, In fact their combination looked good, defensively we looked solid.
Negatives: worried about Kurto, hope he bounces back although Sail did well, VAR ruined a really good game, both sides played competitive hard football and we controlled the ball well.
Really frustrating to be robbed of the win, but then holding Perth to a draw in which the struggled to really test us has to be a good sign,
Queenslander 3x a year.
Would love to see a recording of the press conference - I assume Rudan will try unsuccessfully to not tee off. Is there usually footage out there?
Usually available on A League videos the next day. I just Google it to watch.
This image on the A-League website is labelled as being posted 5 hours ago, yet the match only started 3 hours ago!! #conspiracy
This image on the A-League website is labelled as being posted 5 hours ago, yet the match only started 3 hours ago!! #conspiracy
They can't get the rules of the game right, not surprised they can't get time stamps right.
Video for people who want to be sad.
Thats the Phoenix team i love turning up every game for.Shame they have taken so long to appear,they MUST know show up to that same level on a consistent basis.
Shame the VAR and ref did their best to ruin an enjoyable game.
Have seen the usual over reaction by many claiming the VAR cost us the game. Yes send off was very ordianary not convinced at all about our penalty shout to take another look.
Sadly what cost us the win was ALL our own making yet again some very ordinary defending for their goal and just as bad some shocking finishing by our guys.
Keep playing like that and maybe we can get our fortress back.
Sadly the VAR controversy will take away the focus from what should be very positive talk of what was a very good Nix performance.
Dura, Taylor, Singh, Burns all excellent. Everyone else very good
First half I would add Mandi and especially Rufer to the list of 'excellent'.
Rufer was good first half, but his performance dropped off a cliff in that 2nd - lost the ball about 4 times in a row before being pulled.
I wonder if Mandi will ever be fit enough too? He actually reminds me a lot of Vinnie Lia; good and bad.
a.haak
Looking forward to watching this. This run of VAR calls reminding me of the offsides against Krishna a season or two ago.
Had a feeling this was coming. Hope Kurto is okay, Rudan goes two feet in on the officiating in every way possible, we pick ourselves up and march up the table.
Phoenix till I die, Phoenix till I die!
If we were going to pick up a point against anyone, Perth is a decent side to do so. Won't be competing with them for top 6 and not many will get points off them this season.
a.haak
There’s biased reffing and then there’s that performance. Embarrassing..
I'd add that game had the old vibe. YF chanting much of the game. Rest of the crowd right into it. A few young boys along from us were very enthusiastically starting chants that the YF took up - and YF applauded the kids for their efforts (it seemed from where we were).
And a fantastic calm, balmy evening as well.
That was an entertaining evening. Result and ref aside, that will bring people back and start to build crowds. We had a very occasional attendee with us who is not a football person but who had a great time and loved the game and atmosphere.
This image on the A-League website is labelled as being posted 5 hours ago, yet the match only started 3 hours ago!! #conspiracy
They can't get the rules of the game right, not surprised they can't get time stamps right.
Video for people who want to be sad.
https://www.a-league.com.au/video/ryan-lowry-shown...
That's is such a bad decision. Its a good advert for doing away with VAR though. Lowry's got the ball and hes slid through. Terrible , terrible decision. Not even a foul. Meanwhile. Krishna gets hurled or elbowed to the ground by "professional fouls", but we get no advantage. Its all a joke really
"It couldn't have been more one sided. I've never seen anything like it. It got to the point where I had to laugh. It was an absolute joke. If he can sleep well at night, good on him."
"We just have to be the ones on the end of it. Little old Wellington Phoenix."
"Everything goes against us, because no one wants us around. I think we should have a civil discussion about it, because it's starting to kill the game."
Said what we were all thinking.
Sadly the VAR controversy will take away the focus from what should be very positive talk of what was a very good Nix performance.
Dura, Taylor, Singh, Burns all excellent. Everyone else very good
First half I would add Mandi and especially Rufer to the list of 'excellent'.
Rufer was good first half, but his performance dropped off a cliff in that 2nd - lost the ball about 4 times in a row before being pulled.
I wonder if Mandi will ever be fit enough too? He actually reminds me a lot of Vinnie Lia; good and bad.
Yep, completely agree.
Happy with our performance, just cant get them VAR decisions out of my head. We got ripped off plain and simple.
Mr Positive
Wow. Just saw it.
Two A-league match officials looked at this and said it was a red card.
Surely that can not be a competence issue.
I can understand why the VAR referred it, when you see it it match speed. Lowry connects with the ankle with two feet. This one is on the ref to determine.
VAR specifically permits red card decisions does it not?
Video here at https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/1090...
My off shore betting syndicate is coming up trumps. But fudge I didn't know they'd be using A-league refs.
WELL SAID Mark Rudan!!
Nice to hear a coach providing an honest account of what he saw instead of the anaemic rubbish we normally get dished up.
I was unable to get to the game...sorry I missed it. Then Fanpass with Sky packed a sad and would not stream the game...so all in all a disappointing evening
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
I'd add that game had the old vibe. YF chanting much of the game. Rest of the crowd right into it. A few young boys along from us were very enthusiastically starting chants that the YF took up - and YF applauded the kids for their efforts (it seemed from where we were).
And a fantastic calm, balmy evening as well.
That was an entertaining evening. Result and ref aside, that will bring people back and start to build crowds. We had a very occasional attendee with us who is not a football person but who had a great time and loved the game and atmosphere.
Those kids were awesome, kept starting chants that then Fever picked up and continued. Their passion was infectious and made the zone real fun
Shame the VAR and ref did their best to ruin an enjoyable game.
Have seen the usual over reaction by many claiming the VAR cost us the game. Yes send off was very ordianary not convinced at all about our penalty shout to take another look.
Sadly what cost us the win was ALL our own making yet again some very ordinary defending for their goal and just as bad some shocking finishing by our guys.
sure we missed a few simple shots - Burns is clearly lacking in confidence. He would have drilled both chances last time he was with us. Saying the VAR didn't cost us the game is plain wrong - Lowry was brought on to specifically mark Castro, when he got sent off (incorrectly) Castro scores! Way was brought on to do the same job as Lowry but there was always going to be a gap for Castro to find. Penalty was always a Pen, if Fenton had pulled on a player in the box he gets yellowed!
Queenslander 3x a year.
I really liked having Kopy in the backline... he seemed to be a lot calmer on the ball that Doyle / Fox have been as a CB and he tended to look for and hit a pass every time almost.
It allowed us to keep hold of the ball and gave Mandi and Rufer the confidence to go forward. Mandi looks like a 70 minute players - would love to see what his fitness readouts after a game say.
Really good performance with a lot to carry forward into next week. Burns looked a lot sharper. Yes he fluffed his shot, but he made good runs in behind and link well with the mids coming through when he cut inside.
Finally, what a difference Singh makes, especially when he decides to get on the ball and turn towards the goal and dribble. He commits players, creates little holes and can hit a great slide pass.
I thought Kopy was quite solid to be fair to him. Are Mandi and Kopy really import calibre players, though?
Lia for Mandi and Ridenton For Kopy and I don't think we'd see a whole lot of difference.
a.haak
Shame the VAR and ref did their best to ruin an enjoyable game.
Have seen the usual over reaction by many claiming the VAR cost us the game. Yes send off was very ordianary not convinced at all about our penalty shout to take another look.
Sadly what cost us the win was ALL our own making yet again some very ordinary defending for their goal and just as bad some shocking finishing by our guys.
sure we missed a few simple shots - Burns is clearly lacking in confidence. He would have drilled both chances last time he was with us. Saying the VAR didn't cost us the game is plain wrong - Lowry was brought on to specifically mark Castro, when he got sent off (incorrectly) Castro scores! Way was brought on to do the same job as Lowry but there was always going to be a gap for Castro to find. Penalty was always a Pen, if Fenton had pulled on a player in the box he gets yellowed!
Rob was just chatting to Piney, anyone got the audio of it?
Rob was just chatting to Piney, anyone got the audio of it?
on now
Founder
Shame the VAR and ref did their best to ruin an enjoyable game.
Have seen the usual over reaction by many claiming the VAR cost us the game. Yes send off was very ordianary not convinced at all about our penalty shout to take another look.
Sadly what cost us the win was ALL our own making yet again some very ordinary defending for their goal and just as bad some shocking finishing by our guys.
sure we missed a few simple shots - Burns is clearly lacking in confidence. He would have drilled both chances last time he was with us. Saying the VAR didn't cost us the game is plain wrong - Lowry was brought on to specifically mark Castro, when he got sent off (incorrectly) Castro scores! Way was brought on to do the same job as Lowry but there was always going to be a gap for Castro to find. Penalty was always a Pen, if Fenton had pulled on a player in the box he gets yellowed!
Ill dicipiline let us down towards the end.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
One issue for me is the number of yellow cards Mandi has picked up. It is at least three now that I can think of. Maybe more. Suspension looming very large on the horizon.
Rob was just chatting to Piney, anyone got the audio of it?
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2018.12.03-09.15.00-D.mp3
Four minutes in or so
One issue for me is the number of yellow cards Mandi has picked up. It is at least three now that I can think of. Maybe more. Suspension looming very large on the horizon.
Na Mandi is only on two, Fenton has the most at three.
Fenton - 3 Yellows
Dura, Krishna, Mandi, Rufer and Singh - 2 Yellows
Cacace, Doyle, Nichols, Sail, Taylor - 1 Yellow
Lowry - 1 Red....
Smart from the Westpac staff not to replace the side of the dugout that Rudan smashed in last week.
My off shore betting syndicate is coming up trumps. But fudge I didn't know they'd be using A-league refs.
Know someone that bets on the Lithuanian youth 2nd division, nothing's off limits for some people
We have been absolutely robbed here
Nick Waldron the VAR is an absolute disgrace. I've seen his attitude at local games and I just knew he wouldn't give the Fenton pen and even though there was no sign of any foul you just knew that prick had found something to pin on us
He's a first class cu nt and has no right to be officiating
Disclaimer: i'm not normally a ref abuser, but I guess I am now
Have to agree, have witnessed week after week Nick Waldron and his poor decision making.
Not A-league or even Handi quality