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whooooooo wrote:
bxela123 wrote:
Ah, I have been waiting for somebody to mention this.  NRL is the best you can get of Rugby League.  That is if you are a fan of the sport (I personally don't give a sh*t about it).  Having a NZ team there adds a lot of interest of course.
same can be said about the a-league, but SKY turn their heads the other way unfortunately.
 NRL is the best you can get of Rugby League. This is the key.  Nothing even close to this can be said about the A-league.  If Phoenix were part of EPL/Seria A/Bundesliga/etc then ...
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bxela123 wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
If Sky are being smart, then they will be looking to balance their portfolio. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Steve-O]How about Sky invest in an Interactive service like in the UK?
 
Wow, how many armchair Sky CEOs have we got here?
 
How does me suggesting Sky NZ should get Interactive become me trying to be a CEO?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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bxela123 wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
bxela123 wrote:
Ah, I have been waiting for somebody to mention this.  NRL is the best you can get of Rugby League.  That is if you are a fan of the sport (I personally don't give a sh*t about it).  Having a NZ team there adds a lot of interest of course.
same can be said about the a-league, but SKY turn their heads the other way unfortunately.
 NRL is the best you can get of Rugby League. This is the key.  Nothing even close to this can be said about the A-league.  If Phoenix were part of EPL/Seria A/Bundesliga/etc then ...
 
Yes and that's because hardly anyone else in the world plays rugby league, hardly a fair comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
mikecj wrote:
I remember having Sky TV when I was living in London.

Cost a shyteload and stuff all footy on it.

Lots of golf though. I still have yet to find someone who actually enjoys watching televised golf but whereever I go on this planet, turn on a television and there it is.
 
Your Sky in the UK had no football on it? How did that happen exactly? Or did you have Sky NZ?
 
My cousins take days off work to watch rubbish like the British Open / Ryder Cup etc. I've never understood it.
 
Don't know anyone in NZ who is a TV golf fan though.
 
I also reckon you'd struggle to find another country in the world where golf highlights are shown ahead of live football.


Golf is a sport?
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Yes, that' why NRL is shown in a handful of coutries, whereas football is shown almost all over the world.

Unfortunately NZ is one of those handful and not one of the others.

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bxela123 wrote:

Yes, that' why NRL is shown in a handful of coutries, whereas football is shown almost all over the world.

Unfortunately NZ is one of those handful and not one of the others.

 
Although last season it seemed possible to show NRL and A-League...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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bxela123 wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
bxela123 wrote:
Ah, I have been waiting for somebody to mention this.  NRL is the best you can get of Rugby League.  That is if you are a fan of the sport (I personally don't give a sh*t about it).  Having a NZ team there adds a lot of interest of course.
same can be said about the a-league, but SKY turn their heads the other way unfortunately.
 NRL is the best you can get of Rugby League. This is the key.  Nothing even close to this can be said about the A-league.  If Phoenix were part of EPL/Seria A/Bundesliga/etc then ...


i was actually just focusing on the bit i put in bold. nothing else.
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Steve-O wrote:
bxela123 wrote:

Yes, that' why NRL is shown in a handful of coutries, whereas football is shown almost all over the world.

Unfortunately NZ is one of those handful and not one of the others.

 
Although last season it seemed possible to show NRL and A-League...


exactly. NRL stayed the same. A-league gained 1 game a week but we now miss out on 3 or so? doesn't add up.

nothing has changed since last year except the A-league growing.

hmm wonder if SKY will change its mind on this one?

spose hounding them to play the Italy game worked, hopefully this will work too!!!
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bxela123 wrote:

Yes, that' why NRL is shown in a handful of coutries, whereas football is shown almost all over the world.

Unfortunately NZ is one of those handful and not one of the others.



Can't believe you're actualy arguing in favour of Sky and trying to justify their bad decisions. Everyone knows that the A-League isn't the best standard in the world but it has a f**king local team in it. If they can play NRL games that 2 people in the country might watch then they can play at least play A-League games that feature NZers.

In Australia, a country where AFL dominates (especially Melbourne) and NRL and Rugby competes with football for media time Foxtel show every A-League game (including every Nix game, which not many people would watch) AND 80% of NRL games, 80% of every U-20 NRL game, almost every S14 game, every EPL game and a heap of AFL. If they can do it, why can't SKY? They both have the same amount of channels.

valeo2009-08-18 21:41:13

a.haak

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valeo wrote:
Can't believe you're actualy arguing in favour of Sky and trying to justify their bad decisions.
Bad for whom?  Don't think bad for their profit and that all that matters, they are there to make profit just like any other business.  Bad for some of their customers and would-be-customers? Perhaps.  But apparently the number of those is too small to make any effect on Sky's business decision.
 
And the thing is that I do not and indeed can not "justify" their decisions. For two reasons, actually:
1) I am not speaking on their behalf and
2) even more importantly the only people that Sky (or whoever on their behalf) need to justify their decisions are their shareholders
 
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Valeo, don't underestimate the popularity of Rugby League.  The NRL is a major rater for sky, and it's not just the warriors
 
Buxela, that's ridiculious.  Of course Sky are required to justify themselves to more people than that.  1, the sports that they partner with, see how far sky would get telling the rugby union that they decided not to show every NPC game.  2, their customers.  There is no way that you can run a succesful business if you are not accountable.
james dean2009-08-18 21:53:23

Normo's coming home

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bxela123 wrote:

Yes, that' why NRL is shown in a handful of coutries, whereas football is shown almost all over the world.

Unfortunately NZ is one of those handful and not one of the others.



Ah, the football is un-New Zealand argument.

You really are quite amusing Alex.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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valeo wrote:
bxela123 wrote:

Yes, that' why NRL is shown in a handful of coutries, whereas football is shown almost all over the world.

Unfortunately NZ is one of those handful and not one of the others.



Can't believe you're actualy arguing in favour of Sky and trying to justify their bad decisions. Everyone knows that the A-League isn't the best standard in the world but it has a f**king local team in it. If they can play NRL games that 2 people in the country might watch then they can play at least play A-League games that feature NZers.

In Australia, a country where AFL dominates (especially Melbourne) and NRL and Rugby competes with football for media time Foxtel show every A-League game (including every Nix game, which not many people would watch) AND 80% of NRL games, 80% of every U-20 NRL game, almost every S14 game, every EPL game and a heap of AFL. If they can do it, why can't SKY? They both have the same amount of channels.

 
 
some facts I'd like to know:
 
1. Do SKY have rights to braodcast all A-League games in NZ?
2. Would re-boradcasting the Fox coverage in NZ cost SKY anything/much?
 
If the answers are:
1. Yes
2. No
Then SKY have no excuse
 
If answers are
1. Yes
2. Yes
Then, it depends on likely viewer numbers to make the cost worth while
 
IF answers are
1. No
2. No
Then Sky would have to buy rights to additional non-Phoenix games. Once again  it depends on likely viewer numbers to make the cost worth while
 
IF answers are
1. No
2. Yes
Then Sky are excused.
 
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bxela123 wrote:
valeo wrote:
Can't believe you're actualy arguing in favour of Sky and trying to justify their bad decisions.
Bad for whom?  Don't think bad for their profit and that all that matters, they are there to make profit just like any other business.  Bad for some of their customers and would-be-customers? Perhaps.  But apparently the number of those is too small to make any effect on Sky's business decision.
 
And the thing is that I do not and indeed can not "justify" their decisions. For two reasons, actually:
1) I am not speaking on their behalf and
2) even more importantly the only people that Sky (or whoever on their behalf) need to justify their decisions are their shareholders
 
 
Yes it's always good for businesses to ignore customer complaints, all the most successful ones do it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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[QUOTE=Hard News]
QUOTE]Ah, the football is un-New Zealand argument.QUOTE]

Seatoun are celebrating their centenary, so football has clearly been un- New Zealand for some time now.
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Phil,

The general impression (given by Sky and people involved with this situation) is that Sky have the rights to all matches and pay one set amount for live coverage of all games no matter how many they show.  Supposedly they are only contractually obliged to show two live so they are going out of thier way to ensure they meet the minimum requirements.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Ah, the football is un-New Zealand argument.
Don't know where you got this from.
I say unfortunately NZers are mainly interested in niche sports where they can excel in part due to the lack of world-wide competition and not that interested in world-wide sports where they mainly suck.
That's why on the international football arena most NZers support England, the same England that every NZers is fond of making fun of when it concerns cricket or rugby.
bxela1232009-08-18 21:59:34
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bxela123 wrote:
...on the international football arena most NZers support England...


I don't what New Zealanders you spend time with, but that's no indication of the ones I know unless they are ex-pats.

There is only one international football team:


Hard News2009-08-18 22:08:12

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Phil,

The general impression (given by Sky and people involved with this situation) is that Sky have the rights to all matches and pay one set amount for live coverage of all games no matter how many they show.  Supposedly they are only contractually obliged to show two live so they are going out of thier way to ensure they meet the minimum requirements.
 
What about this week - only 1 game on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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bxela123 wrote:
...on the international football arena most NZers support England...


I support New Zealand and if New Zealand are not playing i would support Northern Ireland so your wrong
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Im with HN on that one

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Lightman says, Sky employee...


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Hard News wrote:
The general impression (given by Sky and people involved with this situation) is that Sky have the rights to all matches and pay one set amount for live coverage of all games no matter how many they show.  Supposedly they are only contractually obliged to show two live so they are going out of thier way to ensure they meet the minimum requirements.
Another impression that I got from what was written on this forum (including replies from Sky) is that originally they purchased rights only for the Phoenix games and at the time they made their (perhaps, short to medium term) scheduling.  After they received the rights for the rest of the games, significantly changing the already set-up schedule was not worth their while (for whatever business reason, that we are in no position to question).  However, in a couple of months they are planning to show all or almost all of the games live.
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bxela123 wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Ah, the football is un-New Zealand argument.
Don't know where you got this from.
I say unfortunately NZers are mainly interested in niche sports where they can excel in part due to the lack of world-wide competition and not that interested in world-wide sports where they mainly suck.
That's why on the international football arena most NZers support England, the same England that every NZers is fond of making fun of when it concerns cricket or rugby.
 
Hmm, well I support NZ first. and England second (and Germany third). But I hold a British passport, and live in the UK, so I'm atypical.
 
you say MOST NZers support England.
 
Once again, what was the sample size of your study to confirm this? I suspect your data source is anecdotal.  . .  please let me know if I'm wrong.
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No... originally they only scheduled the Phoenix games... then there was un uproar and complaint from people like the Phoenix CEO and the schedule was changed.  The rights they have are the same rights, on the same deal as last year (where they showed 95% of games live) and the year before, and the year before, and the year before.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Baiter wrote:


Lightman says, Sky employee...
phil-style says "despite a certain member's  protestations to the contrary, I agree"
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This is just my impression in my 16 years here.  Talking to people at work for example.  Plus following international football coverage on NZ TV. For example, why would TV1 and TV3 always show highlights from England games (and sometimes mention other British nations)?
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Still don't understand why you are defending the undefendable. (undefendable if you're a supporter of the A-League and the Phoenix anyway)

Perhaps I could come around to the fact that not enough people watch the A-League to justify them playing every game live - but I don't know how they justify not replaying the games within a reasonable time frame? Am I not right in saying that they replayed a game AFTER the highlights show had already been aired? That is pathetic.
valeo2009-08-18 22:19:05

a.haak

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Because they, like everyone else have decision makers that are archaic in their thinking and understanding of the sports demographic in this nation.  These are the same people that refer to the All Blacks as a team of 4 million when quite obviously a sizeable chunk of New Zealand couldn't care less about any sport and increasing numbers couldn't care less about Rugby Union.

They still have this 30 year-old impression of New Zealand football that it is all ex-pat brits fixated on the English game and a sport only played by those same people.

It's not 1978 anymore.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News,
 
What about this (on page 6 of this thread I believe)?
 
BeachBoy wrote:
I got this email response from Sky today -
 
Hello Allan

Thank you for your email.

Initially our contract for the A-League were to show LIVE Phoenix games only, with no rights to show any others. Fortunately we were able to extend our contract terms to include all games though please be aware that not all of these will be LIVE, and because of the late contract change we will play these games where we can. Some we can bring in LIVE others will either be delayed or shown where available.
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Not to mention the fact there are many Brits over here...perhaps that is why they show the highlights?
 
I can't imagine any Kiwi supporting England, nor would I expect them to.
 
I expect them to support every other team in the world EXCEPT England, just like me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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bxela123 wrote:
Hard News,
 
What about this (on page 6 of this thread I believe)?
 
BeachBoy wrote:
I got this email response from Sky today -
 
Hello Allan

Thank you for your email.

Initially our contract for the A-League were to show LIVE Phoenix games only, with no rights to show any others. Fortunately we were able to extend our contract terms to include all games though please be aware that not all of these will be LIVE, and because of the late contract change we will play these games where we can. Some we can bring in LIVE others will either be delayed or shown where available.
 
Well, that also confirms they NOW have all the games and are choosing not to show them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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They have also told us repeatedly that the they will give LIVE sport priority before any other coverage and that is quite blatantly untrue as well.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Steve-O wrote:
I can't imagine any Kiwi supporting England, nor would I expect them to.
You need to work on your imagination then.
 
While my observation about "most" kiwis may be wrong (although nobody convinced me about it, but then again, I have only anecdotal evidence), the overwhelming majority of kiwis that I met and that were at least mildly interested in football support England.
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Did they not show 95% of the A-League games live last year? Why would the contract change, and then change back?

a.haak

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to be honest i agree with bxela123
 
sky print and run of a guide a month in advance, if you don't see a huge improvement in the coverage next month, then feel free to complain but at the moment i figure sky are doing their best to squeeze the extra and un-planned for coverage in where they can without pissing of to many sponsors, and other sports fans.
We are a vocal minority, if the petition thread is anything to go by (barely 200
signatures) and if everyone of those people pulled the plug on their subscription what do you think sky would do?
Continue taking money form the other 750,000 subscribers thats what.
 
Sky know we are upset and have tried to do something about it,(they didn't ignore us completely did they?) but for some people thats not enough, and I'm really getting tired of people saying, to quote Queen, "I want it all and I want it now!", Give them a chance.
 
How many of you who signed the petition can say you watched all the games live last year? you all had nothing better to do on Friday or Saturday nights for 6 months?
the A-league ratings were abysmal, so they axed them, whose really to blame for that?
Some of you people need to face the reality, that football is NZ's 6th most watched sport after Rugby, netball, cricket, rugby league and rowing.
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Lightman says, DEFINITELY Sky payroll


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Unfortunately you are right HN. The print media is run by people who are 50 plus, and with the dreadful state of our education, there are no people coming through to replace them - written English is a foreign language for most under 40. So the influence in the media coverage reflects a 1970s mentality, which is why it is still called soccer in many of our major publications. Gen X and Y are fad conscious and the best thing to happen would be to qualify for the World Cup, which is why that game on Nov 14 is so important. World Cup qualification changed the game in Australia, it allowed them to go to the biggest dance on the planet. The same thing is true for Cinderalla New Zealand, which desperately needs to get to the ball, so that the perception changes.
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Hard News, you are just speculating, that's all.  We have an oficial reply from Sky to one of its customers.  If you know it is a lie, prove it.
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bxela123 wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
I can't imagine any Kiwi supporting England, nor would I expect them to.
You need to work on your imagination then.
 
While my observation about "most" kiwis may be wrong (although nobody convinced me about it, but then again, I have only anecdotal evidence), the overwhelming majority of kiwis that I met and that were at least mildly interested in football support England.
 
Well next time you see them, tell them they are idiots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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