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UberGunner wrote:
How many of you who signed the petition can say you watched all the games live last year? you all had nothing better to do on Friday or Saturday nights for 6 months?


I had better things to do but chose not to do them many times because I believe in the Phoenix and in the A-League.  I think it deserves the right to establish itself in the market like other sporting codes have, particularly when it has participation levels higher than any other.

One thing is for certain though, SKY TV have made sure those ratings have no chance of improving.



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Daikiwi wrote:
Unfortunately you are right HN. The print media is run by people who are 50 plus, and with the dreadful state of our education, there are no people coming through to replace them - written English is a foreign language for most under 40. So the influence in the media coverage reflects a 1970s mentality, which is why it is still called soccer in many of our major publications. Gen X and Y are fad conscious and the best thing to happen would be to qualify for the World Cup, which is why that game on Nov 14 is so important. World Cup qualification changed the game in Australia, it allowed them to go to the biggest dance on the planet. The same thing is true for Cinderalla New Zealand, which desperately needs to get to the ball, so that the perception changes.
This is a great post.
 
Uber agree with you on some of your points, but still dont buy into the lack of coverage completely - i think that if sky do have the rights to all games then they should be showing live sport where possible. A lot of the programming they have shown in it's place is definitely not high-rating material. If there are other replays or highlights shows of other sports that are most definitely ratings winners compared to the a-league then fine, but i dont believe thats the case all the time. There is surely room for half of the games in my opinion.
 
However, you are right, they have made some effort after the protests from football fans, and they should at least be commended for that.
paulm2009-08-18 22:37:25
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bxela123 wrote:
Hard News, you are just speculating, that's all.  We have an oficial reply from Sky to one of its customers.  If you know it is a lie, prove it.


Okay, so them lying in other replies doesn't mean we can cast doubt on that one form reply where a service desk minion spouted the line they were fed by people embarrassed by a decision ?


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Hard News wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
How many of you who signed the petition can say you watched all the games live last year? you all had nothing better to do on Friday or Saturday nights for 6 months?


I had better things to do but chose not to do them many times because I believe in the Phoenix and in the A-League.  I think it deserves the right to establish itself in the market like other sporting codes have, particularly when it has participation levels higher than any other.

One thing is for certain though, SKY TV have made sure those ratings have no chance of improving.



thats for 2 rounds, what about next week, and the week after that. cut the guys some slack and be patient. you have been waiting for god knows how many years for football to take off in a big way, whats another couple of months untill the allwhites qualify for the world cup.
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UberGunner wrote:
to be honest i agree with bxela123
 
sky print and run of a guide a month in advance, if you don't see a huge improvement in the coverage next month, then feel free to complain but at the moment i figure sky are doing their best to squeeze the extra and un-planned for coverage in where they can without pissing of to many sponsors, and other sports fans.
We are a vocal minority, if the petition thread is anything to go by (barely 200
signatures) and if everyone of those people pulled the plug on their subscription what do you think sky would do?
Continue taking money form the other 750,000 subscribers thats what.
 
Sky know we are upset and have tried to do something about it,(they didn't ignore us completely did they?) but for some people thats not enough, and I'm really getting tired of people saying, to quote Queen, "I want it all and I want it now!", Give them a chance.
 
How many of you who signed the petition can say you watched all the games live last year? you all had nothing better to do on Friday or Saturday nights for 6 months?
the A-league ratings were abysmal, so they axed them, whose really to blame for that?
Some of you people need to face the reality, that football is NZ's 6th most watched sport after Rugby, netball, cricket, rugby league and rowing.
 
Games were watched in the pub (not all of them admittedly!) - how can this be taken into account when calculating ratings???
 
I didn't have Sky last season but when I subscribed a month ago I was keen to watch a few A-League games. No, I am not in the house every Friday and Saturday, but there have already been 2 weekends when I COULD have been watching a game or 2, but haven't been able to.
 
Very few people would watch ALL the games, but then very few people will watch ALL the rugby, NRL, cricket, netball etc either.
 
It is laughable that more people watch Netball here than football, it really is. Not saying it isn't true, it's just a pretty shocking statistic if it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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UberGunner wrote:

Some of you people need to face the reality, that football is NZ's 6th most�watched sport after Rugby, netball, cricket, rugby league and rowing.


Pretty sure this was just a result of some poll, rather than actual viewing figures of all the sports mentioned.

Basically people were asked how interested they were in all those sports, and this was the order they came up in. From memory Rugby was easily on top, but everything else was withing 5-6points of each other, so it's not relly as bad as it may first appear.el grapadura2009-08-18 22:42:09
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UberGunner wrote:
but at the moment i figure sky are doing their best to squeeze the extra and un-planned for coverage in where they can without pissing of to many sponsors, and other sports fans.
Well, I never said they are doing their best.  I personally think they don't give it a lot of priority, because it does not really affect their business. 
 
If for example they had not been sure about the rights to Phoenix games at the time of scheduling and then suddenly got these rights confirmed at the last moment, I am sure they would have been able to change their schedule and negotiate with sponsors, because Phoenix games are reasonably high on their priority list.  But not the rest of A-league.
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Steve-O wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
to be honest i agree with bxela123
 
sky print and run of a guide a month in advance, if you don't see a huge improvement in the coverage next month, then feel free to complain but at the moment i figure sky are doing their best to squeeze the extra and un-planned for coverage in where they can without pissing of to many sponsors, and other sports fans.
We are a vocal minority, if the petition thread is anything to go by (barely 200
signatures) and if everyone of those people pulled the plug on their subscription what do you think sky would do?
Continue taking money form the other 750,000 subscribers thats what.
 
Sky know we are upset and have tried to do something about it,(they didn't ignore us completely did they?) but for some people thats not enough, and I'm really getting tired of people saying, to quote Queen, "I want it all and I want it now!", Give them a chance.
 
How many of you who signed the petition can say you watched all the games live last year? you all had nothing better to do on Friday or Saturday nights for 6 months?
the A-league ratings were abysmal, so they axed them, whose really to blame for that?
Some of you people need to face the reality, that football is NZ's 6th most watched sport after Rugby, netball, cricket, rugby league and rowing.
 
Games were watched in the pub (not all of them admittedly!) - how can this be taken into account when calculating ratings???
 
I didn't have Sky last season but when I subscribed a month ago I was keen to watch a few A-League games. No, I am not in the house every Friday and Saturday, but there have already been 2 weekends when I COULD have been watching a game or 2, but haven't been able to.
 
Very few people would watch ALL the games, but then very few people will watch ALL the rugby, NRL, cricket, netball etc either.
 
It is laughable that more people watch Netball here than football, it really is. Not saying it isn't true, it's just a pretty shocking statistic if it is!
more than hal;f of all kiwi's are women, add all the dirty old men, and you have a pretty big base to start with for netball :P
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el grapadura wrote:
[QUOTE=UberGunner]
Some of you people need to face the reality, that football is NZ's 6th most watched sport after Rugby, netball, cricket, rugby league and rowing.


Oh you're right. The status quo is best left alone.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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UberGunner wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
to be honest i agree with bxela123
 
sky print and run of a guide a month in advance, if you don't see a huge improvement in the coverage next month, then feel free to complain but at the moment i figure sky are doing their best to squeeze the extra and un-planned for coverage in where they can without pissing of to many sponsors, and other sports fans.
We are a vocal minority, if the petition thread is anything to go by (barely 200
signatures) and if everyone of those people pulled the plug on their subscription what do you think sky would do?
Continue taking money form the other 750,000 subscribers thats what.
 
Sky know we are upset and have tried to do something about it,(they didn't ignore us completely did they?) but for some people thats not enough, and I'm really getting tired of people saying, to quote Queen, "I want it all and I want it now!", Give them a chance.
 
How many of you who signed the petition can say you watched all the games live last year? you all had nothing better to do on Friday or Saturday nights for 6 months?
the A-league ratings were abysmal, so they axed them, whose really to blame for that?
Some of you people need to face the reality, that football is NZ's 6th most watched sport after Rugby, netball, cricket, rugby league and rowing.
 
Games were watched in the pub (not all of them admittedly!) - how can this be taken into account when calculating ratings???
 
I didn't have Sky last season but when I subscribed a month ago I was keen to watch a few A-League games. No, I am not in the house every Friday and Saturday, but there have already been 2 weekends when I COULD have been watching a game or 2, but haven't been able to.
 
Very few people would watch ALL the games, but then very few people will watch ALL the rugby, NRL, cricket, netball etc either.
 
It is laughable that more people watch Netball here than football, it really is. Not saying it isn't true, it's just a pretty shocking statistic if it is!
more than hal;f of all kiwi's are women, add all the dirty old men, and you have a pretty big base to start with for netball :P
 
 
Nearly half of EVERY nation is women
 
Netball is truly rubbish, IMO of course!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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el grapadura wrote:
UberGunner wrote:

Some of you people need to face the reality, that football is NZ's 6th most watched sport after Rugby, netball, cricket, rugby league and rowing.


Pretty sure this was just a result of some poll, rather than actual viewing figures of all the sports mentioned.
yep, UMR research asked people what they preferred to watch. there are a lot of people who watch football who would have said rugby first, but it doesn't mean they don't watch, what it does mean is there are fewer people who would put football first than any of those other codes.
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UberGunner wrote:
thats for 2 rounds, what about next week, and the week after that. cut the guys some slack and be patient. you have been waiting for god knows how many years for football to take off in a big way, whats another couple of months untill the allwhites qualify for the world cup.


You mean next week...this coming weekend... where the only live game is the Phoenix match ?

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Hard News wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
thats for 2 rounds, what about next week, and the week after that. cut the guys some slack and be patient. you have been waiting for god knows how many years for football to take off in a big way, whats another couple of months untill the allwhites qualify for the world cup.


You mean next week...this coming weekend... where the only live game is the Phoenix match ?


Hey hey, cut them some slack, they're trying their best to be mediocre.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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I cannot commend Sky for showing ONE game that they were not meant to be so far, the same Sky who have cut coverage to ONE game ONLY this weekend.
 
I mean FFS, the Aussies are getting FIVE live games, and we are getting one? What's that all about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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They aspire to be mediocre... I particularly love how they 'suddenly' got the rest of the A-League rights minutes after Tony Pignata called John Fellett and asked him what was going on... but they wouldn't lie about it.

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Hard News wrote:
They aspire to be mediocre... I particularly love how they 'suddenly' got the rest of the A-League rights minutes after Tony Pignata called John Fellett and asked him what was going on... but they wouldn't lie about it.
LOL
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Hard News wrote:
UberGunner wrote:
thats for 2 rounds, what about next week, and the week after that. cut the guys some slack and be patient. you have been waiting for god knows how many years for football to take off in a big way, whats another couple of months untill the allwhites qualify for the world cup.


You mean next week...this coming weekend... where the only live game is the Phoenix match ?
 do you know how TV scheduling even works?
its the same with regular TV, when you buy certain high rating items you have to buy crap as part of the deal that you are contractually obligated to show, hence the golf re-runs, canoing highlights and the other crap thats on when A-league match's could be aired live.
The schedule goes out to add agencies,sponsors and advertisers for approval ages in advance for advertisers to buy space in. every show they chop and change means a massive amount of work with rescheduling, promos, coverage obligations, advertising, media updates, it's not just flipping a switch and putting something on instead.
Thats why I'm saying wait until they have a chance to do something with the material they have. If i have paid for my advert to air during the sixth re-run of a golf tournament highlights package, id  would be really pissed if it got bumped at the last minute for a un-scheduled event.
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The simple facts are it should never have got to this. 

I don't for one minute believe that all they had rights to were Phoenix games, and to me it's pretty clear that the new people running football coverage tried to pull a swifty without realising the impact and it's been a world of back-pedalling ever since. 

Yes I'm historically biased after they f**ked the Kingz, but stuff them.  Phoenix fans have been treated shabbily and I'm stoked that people want to stick it up them.  Hope TVNZ still have the AW's coverage and when we get 30k at the stadium and half of New Zealand stopping to watch, nothing will please me more than them showing LIVE highlights of the previous weeks golf. Hard News2009-08-18 22:59:57

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Hard News wrote:
I particularly love how they 'suddenly' got the rest of the A-League rights minutes after Tony Pignata called John Fellett and asked him what was going on... but they wouldn't lie about it.
Don't know about them, but you are definetely lying.  They said they got those rights before Tony talked to their CEO.
 
Your credibility at least on this subject is next to nothing.
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Uber - surely you can see that golf highlights and all the 'crap' they HAVE to show could be put on either at different times, or on the highlights channel?
 
As I have said before, why can't they put golf highlights on at the times they are showing delayed coverage of the A-League, and just show the LIVE games in place of where they are putting the golf highlights??
 
There is NO excuse for putting golf highlights on 8-10pm on Sky Sports 3, and then the exact same highlights on Sky Sports 1 at 10pm-12am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Just a reminder of what was promised on page 1 of this thread
From mid-August to mid-November
* All Phoenix games live
* At least ONE other game per weekend live
* All other games delayed
* New A-League Review show (ex-Fox Sports in Australia) - 10pm Mondays
 
From mid-November onwards
* All Phoenix games live
* At least THREE other games per weekend live
* The other game delayed
* New A-League Review show (ex-Fox Sports in Australia) - 10pm Mondays
 
All playoff games live.
 
so other than the extra live game this weekend and cancelling the highlights show this monday (did you spot that one?) they are keeping pretty close to thier word
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bxela123 wrote:
Don't know about them, but you are definetely lying.  They said they got those rights before Tony talked to their CEO.
 
Your credibility at least on this subject is next to nothing.


Who said that ?  The same people that tell us LIVE sport always gets priority ?

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Steve-O wrote:
Uber - surely you can see that golf highlights and all the 'crap' they HAVE to show could be put on either at different times, or on the highlights channel?
 
As I have said before, why can't they put golf highlights on at the times they are showing delayed coverage of the A-League, and just show the LIVE games in place of where they are putting the golf highlights??
 
There is NO excuse for putting golf highlights on 8-10pm on Sky Sports 3, and then the exact same highlights on Sky Sports 1 at 10pm-12am.
time slots are like supermarket shelves, people/business's pay more money for better spots for their products. if no one is paying to have their product on during a-league halftimes at 8-10, then they wont get the spot, despite it being available live. they obviously had this problem last year filling the advertising spots, or their advertisers for this year may have switched codes. it surely hasn't escaped anyones notice that Hyundai are now one of the chief advertisers with regards to all black TV coverage in NZ
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UberGunner wrote:
Just a reminder of what was promised on page 1 of this thread
From mid-August to mid-November
* All Phoenix games live
* At least ONE other game per weekend live
* All other games delayed
* New A-League Review show (ex-Fox Sports in Australia) - 10pm Mondays
 
From mid-November onwards
* All Phoenix games live
* At least THREE other games per weekend live
* The other game delayed
* New A-League Review show (ex-Fox Sports in Australia) - 10pm Mondays
 
All playoff games live.
 
so other than the extra live game this weekend and cancelling the highlights show this monday (did you spot that one?) they are keeping pretty close to thier word
 
It's still crap though!!
 
From November it might be ok, but that's 3 months away! We've already waited 6 months for the season to start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Hard News wrote:
Who said that ?  The same people that tell us LIVE sport always gets priority ?
 
I don't know who told you that.  The official word from Sky CEO is:
 

"We can't always get them away live because of time constraints and replays of rugby," Sky chief executive John Fellet said.

"The Phoenix represents about 95 per cent of the viewer hours that the A-League gets so the rest of the games are pretty minimal."

Fellet said it was Sky's preference to show live sport but rugby replays rated higher than live, non-Phoenix A-League matches.

"[The A-League] is a good product for us, we like it, and we're hoping to have a pretty good year, but consumers dictate everything we do here."

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bxela123 wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Who said that ?  The same people that tell us LIVE sport always gets priority ?
 
I don't know who told you that.  The official word from Sky CEO is:
 

"We can't always get them away live because of time constraints and replays of rugby," Sky chief executive John Fellet said.

"The Phoenix represents about 95 per cent of the viewer hours that the A-League gets so the rest of the games are pretty minimal."

Fellet said it was Sky's preference to show live sport but rugby replays rated higher than live, non-Phoenix A-League matches.

"[The A-League] is a good product for us, we like it, and we're hoping to have a pretty good year, but consumers dictate everything we do here."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Im tired of being the devils advocate but people have to realise that it's a business decision, not a personal attack on football, its a recession blah blah blah.
 
People just need to stand back from the emotions and look at the bigger picture, how many people are affected one way or another by the inclusion/exclusion of A-League football
 
im of to bed. got a champions league match at 6;45 am to watch.
 
its been fun having a good old fashioned rant. now wheres a celtic supporter for me to harrass.
UberGunner2009-08-18 23:13:31
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John Fellet ?



Hilarious... very few men have less credibility when talking about football in this country than that man.



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UberGunner wrote:
Im tired of being the devils advocate but people have to realise that it's a business decision
 
Exactly.  And I can see only two categories of people who have a right to question this decision:
 
1. Sky shareholders
2. Those Sky customers, who were enticed to join or stay with Sky by a promise (if such indeed was ever made) that has been since broken.
 
Sky has no obligations to football fans in general.
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Hard News wrote:
John Fellet ?



Hilarious... very few men have less credibility when talking about football in this country than that man.



 
 
Possibly Frankie Mac?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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I'd rather Frankie as CEO, at least we'd see some Conference football instead of just the Premier League.

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Hard News wrote:
John Fellet ?

Hilarious... very few men have less credibility when talking about football in this country than that man.
 
I don't care about his opinion about football.  He is talking about his business decision and in business decisions CEO of a large, successfull profit making company has more credibility than ... lets say a CEO of a company making $2.5 million losses for its owner.  Although the latter one may have more credibility when talking about football matters.
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God I hope you get well paid for them for this bxela... be a shame to sit up all these hours fighting the good fight if they don't pay you overtime.


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f**k off bxela123, I am sure you DO work for sky.


sky are ripping us off, if they are not going to show it they should give up the rights, who cares if rugby replays rate higher, they can have the rugby replay, plus their golf replay and live A-League all at once.

When you have 4+ sports channels and the rights to the games there really is NO excuse
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If you think Sky cares about opinions on this form enough to pay somebody to "defend" them here, you are delusional.
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And you are more of a downer than Happy Ted ever was, you can leave now and make my day... :)
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homer_simpson wrote:
sky are ripping us off[/QUOTE]
Sue them.
 
[QUOTE] if they are not going to show it they should give up the rights
How about you give up right to something you own?
 
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