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Smeltz saga - now with added hypocrisy.

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Guys it's easy. He don't play for us no more. He's gone. He's history. We move on. Shane who?


Bitter? What's bitter?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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el grapadura wrote:
Whiteboards are so 1990s...Powerpoint presentation with lots of graphs and illustrations will do.


Got an FM deadline tonight which I'm going to miss so no time for Powerpoint.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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martinb wrote:
Is the Gold Coast complaining about Smeltz having talks outside a transfer window? The cheek.



Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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Hard News wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Whiteboards are so 1990s...Powerpoint presentation with lots of graphs and illustrations will do.
Got an FM deadline tonight which I'm going to miss so no time for Powerpoint.


So back to Stone Age then. Oh well, hope my attention span holds up.
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i think theres some overseas club makes an offer get out clause..

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This is a clusterf**k.

Great piece of drama.

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I have been thinking all night:

This is better than House (only marginally)
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Smeltzy's credibility is definitely at rock bottom.

You just can't trust the guy. Check out his Trademe profile...



terminator_x2009-02-04 07:18:49

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HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAH

how ever the hell you pulled that off that is absolutely legendary on ya terminator.x

HAHAHh

ok so this is whats happened:

smelts signs with gold coast united

win johny warren medal, best goal, best player rah rah rah

Turkish club wants to sign him

Rumours go flying left right and bloody centre

A lot of talk and hoo-ha from everyone except smeltz saying where is he going to be, surely only the man himself knows

Then we get reports its a done deal, and hes going to turkey. TOPS im excited for him

Now we get his agent saying its off and he will stay at goldcoast.



D.R.A.M.A
Im sick of this, go to turkey, stuff gold coast.end
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I hope he goes to Turkey far better for NZ footie plus he will not terrorize the Phoneix defence.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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Don't actually see how it's better for the All Whites as Smeltz is more likely to play for us if he's in the A-League and not in Europe.

a.haak

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Higher quality of opposition, better training environment.  Just look at how Muliigan has turned out since coming home.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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valeo wrote:
Don't actually see how it's better for the All Whites as Smeltz is more likely to play for us if he's in the A-League and not in Europe.


Because he'll improve as a player, and thus be a greater asset to the AW's when he does play - namely, the matches that actually matter and that I doubt he'd turn down.

I'd rather he miss friendly matches, develop in Turkey, then kick it up a notch when he plays for the AW's in important games (5th place/Confeds/World Cup).
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he'll be acclimatised to Asia (yes they play in UEFA) for the play off game.
 
Sounds like he is a contracted GCU player though at 1 April, and was not a letter of intent. Dont think we get much of a fee if it goes through.

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Agent 47 wrote:
Milky Pisswit wrote:
More power to him if he gets it.
 
Can't really question the guys motives from the outside looking in...


I disagree

We (the fans) got told 'Its not the club or the money, its me, I wanna go home. Its about lifestyle and my wife and the deal from the Nix was marginally better, this isn't about money'

Now that someone has waved a bit more doh-reh-me under his nose (and his value would be the highest its ever been after last nights accolades) he is keen to get on that yellow brick road and find his way to anywhere but Oz

Tony P is the only one record as saying 'I helped back his bags, gleefully' Tony's nose has never grown before and learned after the Joel Porter saga only to open your gob when you got something to say.
Miron (the Mouth) is saying with a twisted tongue 'what agent sam I am? this smells of green eggs and ham. His bags are in his locker at Skilled park, this rubbish is all a lark...'
Smeltz is saying...... crickets...... cicadas...... and I bet the only reason why is because he is guilty as sin. All he has to say is 'Yeah I took the money, wouldn't you?' and I could totally respect that.

More mess than Oscar the Grouch. You're a hell of a footballer Shane and you've served us well and I'll support you in a shirt of all white, but to be frank, goodbye and take your crap with you!!
 
Yes, he dug a bit of a hole by not being totally up front about the motivations for leaving, but the fact of the matter is that it's his decision what to do with his life, his career and to act in the best interests of himself and his family.
 
Personally, I think it's pretty rich that some people on here seem to expect him to justify why he moved, where he's moving etc... like it's any of anyone's business except him and his family.
 
This kind of thing is part of football. I'm certainly not going to think that, just because I'm a 'nix fan, I've got the right to question personal or professional decisions made by any of the players.
 
He's gone (somewhere), and that sucks, but I wish him nothing but the best.
Milky Pisswit2009-02-04 09:13:58
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There may be a question about whether, at the very least, Smeltz has acted professionally with respect to his contract with GCU.  That's any issue for Smeltz to deal with.  However, there may also be a question about whether the Phoenix have colluded with Smeltz and therefore acted unprofessionally (although not illegally) in the knowledge that he had signed up with GCU.  Based on the contradictory and confusing media statements doing the rounds, there must be some risk that the Phoenix gets tarnished by all this and ends up with a damaged reputation.  It would be useful for the Phoenix to put out a comprehensive press release detailing it's involvement in and side of the murky affair.

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Milky Pisswit wrote:
Yes, he dug a bit of a hole by not being totally up front about the motivations for leaving, but the fact of the matter is that it's his decision what to do with his life, his career and to act in the best interests of himself and his family.
 
Personally, I think it's pretty rich that some people on here seem to expect him to justify why he moved, where he's moving etc... like it's any of anyone's business except him and his family.
 
This kind of thing is part of football. I'm certainly not going to think that, just because I'm a 'nix fan, I've got the right to question personal or professional decisions made by any of the players.
 
He's gone (somewhere), and that sucks, but I wish him nothing but the best.
 
I can agree with your view and where you are coming from Milky. I think you're missing what I'm getting at as its a different point to yours.
 
I agree that he is entitled to do his own thing. Thats his business and his alone, much like we all have our own lives and make our own choices. I'm not asking him to justify why he did anything or his motivation or reasoning.
 
I'm saying at least have the minerals to man up and say 'Yup I made that choice, I wanna go to Turkey/Australia/Timbuctoo' rather than hide behind The Phoenix, or GCU or his agent or someones skirt over it. If he can do that, then brilliant cause at the moment, as a few have suggested, we could come out looking like right assholes for simply doing as Shane may have asked. 
 
I ask you, is that fair and acceptable?
Agent 472009-02-04 10:31:37
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Yup, completely agree with that, particularly that the last thing anyone wants is for the club to get a bad rep in regard to player transfers due to the abundance of conflicting info and everything else surrounding Smeltz.
 
Having said that, the guy's only human and all the attention he's been getting has probably set his head spinning pretty damn quick.
 
I somehow get the impression that even Smeltzy doesn't even know what's going on...
 
 
Milky Pisswit2009-02-04 11:32:39
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Just go.

Stuff GOLD COAST!

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is he staying or going?Hope he goes stupid GCU
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Have just read the article in the Dom today, seems to me like we are putting ourselves in a dangerous position with Tony being absolutely clear that as far as they are concerned Smeltzy is off to Turkey.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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Ben Buckley was on FOXsports in Aus at lunchtime and either he or someone else stated Smeltz WILL play for the Gold Coast.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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wish smeltz would come clean and confirm that hes either going to turkey or GCU
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Someone said Cluster f**k? Its bigger than that.

This is turning into a right goat rope and we, the Phoenix franchise, supporters, staff, ceo are now looking like right cocks because of this, and I seriously doubt we've done nowt wrong.

Shane, for the love of Kiwis that will support you as an All White, open your gob and speak man. Don't be a f**king blouse and hang this franchise out to dry. We've had 2 years of no drama, don't be a prat and hang this on us. You said yourself that Ricki picked you on up based on 2 goals against Wales and look were you are now. Don't f**k us with future free agents and make us look like a bunch of liars.

(yeah desperation but this is our franchise and we look like f**kers without the Aussies telling us)
Agent 472009-02-04 22:05:50
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Front Page. More details.
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tezilfever wrote:
wish smeltz would come clean and confirm that hes either going to turkey or GCU
 
and end all this humour/banter?

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I think we just need to be patient. I think the problem is between Smeltz and Gold Coast. As Tony says, they have signed the papers and Shane wants to go. Gold Coast obvisouly angry and want their player. Just have to wait and see what happens. I would advise Shane against saying anything at the moment.. hockeycam2009-02-04 21:49:28
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someone is telling porkies here it would seem...if smeltz really wants to go to turkey why would palmer want to potentially disrupt his new club by having a player who doesnt want to be there...as for smeltz its just an all round bad look unless he is the meat in the sandwhich of runaway egos of player managers and the nix management...anyway i guess it doesnt really matter cos gold coast are going to win the league according to the bloated ego that is clive palmer..if as one would expect gold coast struggle in the first season it will be interesting to see how long it will be before the blame game starts over there..after all money only buys players it doesnt buy a team
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Seems to me this situation is about egos, posturing and the business of professional football.  Palmer and Bleiberg have assembled their "dream team", publicly claiming GC will win the A-League, undefeated, in their first season.
A key component of their master plan for A-League domination is  Smeltz, having just swept the award pool, the golden boy and man-of -the-moment, a PR dream.
To have a key player in their master plan swiped would publicly set them back..they won't let that happen.. not good for the image of GC that they and the PR types have constructed.

Sure GC can enforce their contract They will have to contend with the fact that he's potentially now not as keen on being at GC as they have made out..very demotivating.after all, the Turkish team wants him and they will pay a heck of a lot more to have him...
Im not saying the Phoenix management are squeeky clean in this whole saga and it might be a little tit-for-tat going on ..but hell, GC are taking OUR Smeltz ...and they wrangled Porter from under our noses! If Smeltz's contract has an out clause, good on him!.. its just business.This might not sit those GC upstarts on their well-padded behinds, but they should think again if they think the Phoenix will just roll over.
imho..Go for it, Terry, Tony and Shane!!


  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Now this (below) i don't know what the heck is going on ...

 
Smeltz insisted yesterday he is anxious to return to his Gold Coast roots, having grown up on the Glitter Strip, and was not contemplating trying to extricate himself from the deal.

"As far as I'm concerned nothing has changed and I'm coming back to a place I still consider home," he said.

"I believe this is all just talk and I plan to play a big part in a successful side and hopefully make a little piece of history. It's something I've been thinking about for a while and I'm excited."

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2009/02/04/45611_gold-coast-soccer.html hockeycam2009-02-04 23:41:57
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cheers Hockeycam and yes News I saw that article here earlier.

I see the same thing is going on between GC and the Jets re: Adam Griffiths too!

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2009/01/28/43401_gold-coast-soccer.html RedGed2009-02-05 00:01:56

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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I think the key thing here is that the only person to be quoted so far saying that Smeltz wants Turkey is Tony P, everyone else (including Shane) has either said he's definately not going, or in Smeltz's case, that he wants to honour the GC contract. So for now, it definately looks like we'll be seeing him in the A-League again next year.

You know we belong together...

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Shane hasn't been directly quoted yet.  Tony P has said shane wants to go and GC has said that Shane wants to say.
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The papers have direct quotes from Shane committing to GCU. But he isnt that believable lately.
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I think he's f**ked up - entered some sort of commitment to the Turkish club when he was in no position, because of his contractual obligations to GCU, to make the commitment.
 
GCU aren't going to release him so, I guess he is lying low - very red faced.
 
oops - missed the key word - low
 
I don't think he was dishonest - just poorly advised.
Whitby boy2009-02-05 09:07:47
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Agree has the look of the golden boot in the mouth about it.
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Whitby boy wrote:
I think he's f**ked up - entered some sort of commitment to the Turkish club when he was in no position, because of his contractual obligations to GCU, to make the commitment.
 
GCU aren't going to release him so, I guess he is lying - very red faced.
 
his contract has a foreign club get out clause.

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Feverish wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
I think he's f**ked up - entered some sort of commitment to the Turkish club when he was in no position, because of his contractual obligations to GCU, to make�the commitment.
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GCU aren't going to release him so, I guess he is lying - very red faced.

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his contract has a foreign club get out clause.

Iff Gold Coast accept the bid. Which seems like a pointless clause to me.
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