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Threat by ACC to wind up Phoenix

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whooooooo wrote:
whooooooo is this yourmomma person ???he should keep his mouth shut because he clearly does not know what he is talking about.


Yeah, I hate when people do that.
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Hope your enjoying your school holidays Whooooooo and what was I wrong about ?
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yourmomma wrote:
Hope your enjoying your school holidays Whooooooo and what was I wrong about ?


wow, I didn't know you were mr. funny.......

as it turns out I am off work for a week because of my schedule.

anyway, you're just talking tripe imo. So that's when I made my comment which lead to your comment which now, lead to the one I am typing now.

good day.
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Hmmmmm
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AngusBeef wrote:
.......... For such repeat offending, harsher measures must be taken and pubilicity is part of them...........
 
Wrong - government departments using the press to secure outstanding debts, whilst being effective in this case, is not legitimate.
 
I cannot believe the details the ACC has provided to the press about what is a private matter.  We have privacy legislation for very good reasons.
 
Also ask yourself how many developers in Wellington are in payment disputes or are in arrears with creditors. How many of those are the Doom Post persuing ? Why is that ?
 
I do not think Terry helps himself with his payment practices and maybe that reflects his modus operandi and / or his current financial reality but I think one mans investigative journalism is another mans vindictive campaign.
 
Terry's biggest mistake was the Apprentice - put a big target on his back someone at the Doom Post is more than happy to shoot at.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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ShowUsYaNix wrote:
Phil Kitchen owes me $50 for a gobby down marion street last friday night, cheap bastard said he'd pay me back but still nothing. I think i'll threaten legal action


... wait, are you saying you gave Phil Kitchen a gobby and he didn't pay you? That bastard!

But yeah - every two-bit contractor will be ringing the DomPost to turn them into their personal army for debt collection from Century City Properties. Every other property developer will be laughing their arses off, as they do exactly the same thing but haven't been declared a target by the Great Kiwi Clobbering Machine.

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well come on, you don't get rich by paying on time do you.....
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Whitby boy wrote:

Terry's biggest mistake was the�Apprentice - put a big target on his back�someone�at the Doom Post is more than happy to shoot at.



The massive ego and self-belief that inspired Terry to create the Nix is exactly the same massive ego and self-belief which persuaded him he should be NZ's Donald Trump.

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whooooooo wrote:
well come on, you don't get rich by paying on time do you.....


But do you get rich by giving gobbies on Marion Street? Desperate transsexuals want to know.

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whooooooo wrote:
well come on, you don't get rich by paying on time do you.....
And you also end up poor by NOT paying Govt departments on time the money owed would have a fair whack of penalties on top of it
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Doloras wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
well come on, you don't get rich by paying on time do you.....


But do you get rich by giving gobbies on Marion Street? Desperate transsexuals want to know.


what makes you think I know the answer to that ?

ask yourmomma.
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I wonder how much the ACC owes people.. im pretty sure they dont always pay on time :)

Perhaps 'we the people' should take legal action to liquidate them LOL

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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I think what we have to remember is that the ACC levies weren't paid not because Terry couldn't be bothered, or spent it all on hookers and blow etc. They weren't paid because they were arguing whether they should have to pay at all given their Aussie insurance commitments. Disputing a bill is not shameful, whereas just avoiding it because you're a deadbeat would be.Doloras2010-09-28 16:51:34

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yourmomma wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
well come on, you don't get rich by paying on time do you.....
And you also end up poor by NOT paying Govt departments on time the money owed would have a fair whack of penalties on top of it


oh, really ?


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WhitbyBoy, if you get pinged for speeding, do you defend yourself by saying how many otehr speedsters that shoudl have got tickets but didn't? Or you defend your own case and end up paying more that that on the ticket if you dare to go to court?
 
Comeon, as keen footbal supoorters, we don't have to and shouldn't defend Terry's modus operandi. May be Lower Hutt City Council, wellington City Council and all his contractors and subcontarctors shoudl take Terry to the court as a group and get everything sorted. How about WhitbyBoy sending a fat cheque to Terry to pay off his debts?
 
The bigegst mistake for Terry so far may be for him to keep using his well oiled delaying tactics and fog off those poor contractors and ratepayers. Terry had to walk the plank by ACC and that msut be good for him!
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AngusBeef wrote:

Comeon, as keen footbal supoorters, we don't have to and shouldn't defend Terry's modus operandi.


Er, I will defend everything that enables the guy to keep dropping $1 million a year on the Phoenix. Perhaps I'm just unethical.

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Doloras wrote:
AngusBeef wrote:

Comeon, as keen footbal supoorters, we don't have to and shouldn't defend Terry's modus operandi.


Er, I will defend everything that enables the guy to keep dropping $1 million a year on the Phoenix. Perhaps I'm just unethical.
Pics or STFU
I like tautologies because I like them.
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yourmomma wrote:
Tony you of all people should know that ACC levies in NZ are based on earnings and have nothing to do with the insurance your required to take out.
The Phoenix is a business that employs staff so levies are payable based on earnings of those staff. And yes it's law that you must pay them.
 
I am not familiar with the exact makeup of the ACC payments which were in dispute but there are two distinct parts to ACC payments. The ones you are talking about based on earnings are the employee contributions and come out of the employees income. It is to cover injuries to people outside the workplace. Thus, what you are talking about, probably has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
 
Employer contributions are not based on earnings. They are worked out based on the total cost of claims for injuries occuring at work based on the "risk" factor of the nature of the work. I don't know the details but if the players were completely insured there seems to be little to no risk of the ACC incuriing a cost. Although I don't know what the insurance covers.
 
I sympathise with anyone having problems with ACC. They are a typical government department and not reknowned for efficiency and I would always give the benefit of the doubt to the employer in a dispute.

 
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Cosimo wrote:
Doloras wrote:
Perhaps I'm just unethical.


Pics or STFU


I said unethical, not immoral, silly lad. Doloras2010-09-28 17:06:51

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Pics would be nice anyway Doloras...

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Doloras wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
Doloras wrote:
Perhaps I'm just unethical.


Pics or STFU


I said unethical, not immoral, silly lad.
Beggars can't be choosers
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Cosimo wrote:
Beggars can't be choosers
 
As the Feverite said to Mr Kitschin in an alley last week

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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whooooooo wrote:
yourmomma wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
well come on, you don't get rich by paying on time do you.....
And you also end up poor by NOT paying Govt departments on time the money owed would have a fair whack of penalties on top of it


oh, really ?




Yourmommo is a dweeb. Who dont know what he/she is doing!
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I really do not envy the moderators of these forums. No wonder they see the worst in humanity and life in general.DKP222010-09-28 17:27:15
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yomomma-

are you male or female ?
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Just read through this whole thread, Tony P is the man and I kinda agree with Harry. At least its been sorted now.
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Doloras wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
Wouldn't mind another rich, hopefully cleaner guy owning half of the Phoenix


That's monumentally naive. Firstly: you don't really get big in the business world by being "clean". (You can get far by appearing clean, but as Allan Hubbard found out, that's not the same thing.) Secondly: the kind of clean, noble, upright citizen you're talking about wouldn't have the ego required to own half of a football team. Thirdly: such a character would take one look at the current fortunes of the A-League and say "no thanks".

In summary: the Nix exist because of Terry. Terry is a property developer and all those people are dodgy to some degree. As long as he's not actually doing anything illegal or running the club badly, his issues with paying his bills are his and his alone, as far as I'm concerned.


Fact of the matter is I said 'cleaner' not 'clean', 'noble', 'upright' or whatever else.  I refuse to believe that there isn't a single rich man in this country who is cleaner (I stress the suffix).

I assume you just were having a bad morning and needing to have a go because the overall point of my post was two rich men backing the club is better than one due to the fact that there would be more money to draw upon if necessary and if one got into financial difficulty (through, oh I don't know, inability to pay ACC) then the whole foundation wouldn't be completely rocked.  Not quite so disagreeable for a very basic idea is it?
loyalgunner2010-09-28 17:42:17
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goldienz wrote:
I wonder how much the ACC owes people.. im pretty sure they dont always pay on time :)

Perhaps 'we the people' should take legal action to liquidate them LOL
ACC would NOT treat my wife for an knee opp....when it was injured walking our dog...was told it was just general ....."just wear and tear".....have insurance so they got it done [ you have to go through ACC 1ST before the insurance will payout which took forever]...as a result the insurance company now take ACC to court to get the money back ....and took us months...years to wait for the opp...which did happen...and  fixed the problem.
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goldienz wrote:
I wonder how much the ACC owes people.. im pretty sure they dont always pay on time :) Perhaps 'we the people' should take legal action to liquidate them LOL


ACC�would NOT�treat my wife for an knee opp....when it was injured walking our dog...was told it was just general ....."just wear and tear".....have insurance so they got it done [ you have to go through ACC 1ST before the insurance will payout which took forever]...as a result the insurance company�now take ACC to court to get the money back ....and took us months...years to wait for the opp...which did happen...and� fixed the problem.


My dad had a triple by-pass, which there was complications after surgery, so he was on ACC, numerous times they hadn't paid him on time. Liquidate the f**kers!
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Interesting that TV One has done some digging and said that the matter was never filed in the Courts so a little bit of an exaggeration from ACC it seems.
 
As people have said a Government Department conducting it's business with a private party through the media is unethical and I'm sure must breach Government rules somewhere along the line. It certainly looks like the CEO has poor judgment. 
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Teza wrote:
Interesting that TV One has done some digging and said that the matter was never filed in the Courts so a little bit of an exaggeration from ACC it seems.


Ah, I knew it. ACC's lawyer was telling Terry the truth, if not the whole truth. But still, watch for the floodgates open for every two-bit contractor to start threatening to sue Century City (and telling Phil Kitschen all about it).

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Doloras wrote:
Teza wrote:
Interesting that TV One has done some digging and said that the matter was never filed in the Courts so a little bit of an exaggeration from ACC it seems.


Ah, I knew it. ACC's lawyer was telling Terry the truth, if not the whole truth. But still, watch for the floodgates open for every two-bit contractor to start threatening to sue Century City (and telling Phil Kitschen all about it).
 
Perhaps Phil should be quizzed as to whether he pays his electricity bilsl on time.
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AngusBeef wrote:
WhitbyBoy, if you get pinged for speeding, do you defend yourself by saying how many otehr speedsters that should have got tickets but didn't?.......
 
In the situation you describe I would have every right (moral, ethical and possibly legal (think precedents)) to expect everyone else committing the same offence to get the same treatment.
 
I would also not expect the Justice Department to provide details of my offence to the press.
 
I do not defend Terry's payment practices but I do take strong exception to one individual being repeatedly singled out. As I have already said this is a legitimate story however many of the stories that have made up the campaign so far have been one mans word against another's.
 
Anyone who has had anything to do with contracting knows that disputes go with the territory unfortunately, for Terry, every man and his dog who thinks Terry owes him $10, irrespective of whether or not he has delivered his goods or services fully, now knows there is someone at the Doom Post only to happy to pick up his story.
 
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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again Whitby boy, well said.

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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Cue Campbell witch hunt.  SHots of them chasing Terry around the courtyard behind Phoenix Towers any minute.

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Hard News wrote:
Cue Campbell witch hunt.  SHots of them chasing Terry around the courtyard behind Phoenix Towers any minute.
 
fair enough too... wtf was that interview that was a shambles... why did they even have a press conference if the accountant wasn't even in the loop
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That Campbell Live segment was terrible. The interviewer was asking questions the accountant was clearly not in the position to answer and it was edited to make him look evasive and dodgy. And the questions about the financial difficulties of the club are getting tired. Running a club is not cheap, especially when you are playing in another country's league and you don't get the sort of financial assistance rugby clubs get. I'm pretty sure cash-strapped rugby unions have got far more sympathetic coverage in the past than the Nix are getting. Sure, they owed some money. Most sports club surely do. Should the money have been paid early. Of course. Should it be aired publicly? Don't think so.

I think the whole story has been bad form by all concerned.
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To be honest, I'm sure there are better more interesting stories out there other than a football club owner paying acc fees.
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Hate to say it, but that media conference was a real bad look. Outside the Dom witch hunt, most other media, including Campbell, support footy and the Nix. Last thing we need is to get them against the club. The Phoenix need to revisit their media strategy real quick. Terry S should've fronted. The sight of John Mitchell behaving like that was bizarre. I mean no ones on trial here.
Everyone knows how the biz works - we all stretch out bill repayments to help cashflow. There isn't a club in the A league that hasn't got cash flow issues.
This afternoon's fiasco indicates there is more to come, possibly more major -as those guys came across panic-stricken.
 
 
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whooooooo wrote:
To be honest, I'm sure there are better more interesting stories out there other than a football club owner paying acc fees.


There are, but I'll avoid the self promotion and not link to them all!
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