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Tim Brown Supporters Club
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Good on you, Timmy. Fantastic effort for the team.
 
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one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though Cosimo2012-01-15 22:44:36
I like tautologies because I like them.
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haha

Brown and Scholes scoring winners on the same day...martinb2012-01-15 22:44:12


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Scholes and Brown don't fit in the same sentance. Scholes is the greatest player to ever walk the earth.

Fuck this stupid game

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Cosimo wrote:
one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though

True but Brown hasn't been as bad as everyone makes out. Its a lot of band wagonning.

In the middle of the pitch is our one person that wins nearly every header and gets up for a fair few. Doesn't always graft back so well but he does a lot of stuff off the ball that makes up for that.

Again, I say this week, they came at us down the flank, specifically Muscats, which Miron telegraphed  in his spiels. They came through the middle a little more than last week but I put that down to only 1 DM and missing Lia.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Scholes and Brown don't fit in the same sentance. Scholes is the greatest player to ever walk the earth.
You spelt Pele wrong.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though

True but Brown hasn't been as bad as everyone makes out. Its a lot of band wagonning.

In the middle of the pitch is our one person that wins nearly every header and gets up for a fair few. Doesn't always graft back so well but he does a lot of stuff off the ball that makes up for that.

Again, I say this week, they came at us down the flank, specifically Muscats, which Miron telegraphed  in his spiels. They came through the middle a little more than last week but I put that down to only 1 DM and missing Lia.


Hmm - thought his off the ball play was the main problem
I like tautologies because I like them.
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TopLeft07 wrote:
Scholes and Brown don't fit in the same sentance. Scholes is the greatest player to ever walk the earth.


Scholes was born in 1974 and Brown was born in 1981. Scholes has played 676 matches for his club and Brown has played 101. Brown has scored 21 total goals and Scholes has scored 151.

Both sealed wins for their club today with popular goals.

martinb2012-01-15 23:09:54


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martinb wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Scholes and Brown don't fit in the same sentance. Scholes is the greatest player to ever walk the earth.


Scholes was born in 1974 and Brown was born in 1981. Scholes has played 676 matches for his club and Brown has played 101. Brown has scored 21 total goals and Scholes has scored 151.

Both sealed wins for their club today with popular goals.

probably the only actual comparison you could safely make is that they are both their managers favourite players. Other than that, its like comparing a five star restaurant chef to a burger flipper at maccas.

Fuck this stupid game

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oh come on man- really enjoyed that goal today! Also fun to stir- but they do both make late runs into the box and I think Brown has scored a couple from distance against Sydney...



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Sign me up, I don't understand how anyone could hate Brown. Ball winner, heart on his sleeve, late runs resulting in key goals.

Brown deserves to be one of the first names on the team sheet each week, but Scholes is proof that God has red hair.
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I thought God was either Welsh or Cameroonian.

Either way he was a left-footer.

Junior822012-01-16 00:31:21

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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He had a really good game,capped off with the winning goal. Good job!

Allegedly

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Jeff Vader wrote:

TopLeft07 wrote:
Scholes and Brown don't fit in the same sentance. Scholes is the greatest player to ever walk the earth.
You spelt Pele wrong.


And you spelt Diego Armando Maradona wrong.

Three for me, and two for them.

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He did have a good game, and he got better as it went on (he was still hesitant and slow to react to situations on the first half).  But I haven't seen any Timmy "hate" on this forum .  However, I have seen (and expressed myself) a good deal of frustration about his recent poor form.   
 
Anyway.  Good work fella, Keep it up.
Binkley2012-01-16 12:57:32
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TopLeft07 wrote:
Scholes and Brown don't fit in the same sentance.
 
They fitted quite nicely into THAT sentence...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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martinb wrote:
Both sealed wins for their club today with popular goals.
Scholes did no such thing. He OPENED the scoring in a 3 - 0 win. bwtcf2012-01-16 09:27:18

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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I have a theory that Brown only performs when Sanchez isnt on the park. Brown likes to cruise around that front third, and when Snachez is playing, Brown doesnt know what to do as much?

Anyone agree with theory?


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Cosimo wrote:
one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though
 
just a typical goal for brown, he may go missing for big parts of the game but has the kncak for popping up when needed.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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vote for browny

Poll
Who scored the best goal of week 15
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15% - Archie Thompson
 
6% - Segio van Dijk
 
9% - Labino Haliti
 
9% - Patrick Zwaansijk
 
1% - Mark Bridge
 
29% - Mohamed Adnan
 
4% - Shane Smeltz
 
27% - Tim Brown

Thank you for voting!



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I will abstain from voting, because I'm too honest not to vote for Adnan.

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Voted for Adnan, because his goal was in fact the goal of the round. No question.

Three for me, and two for them.

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theprof wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though

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just a typical goal for brown, he may go missing for big parts of the game but has the kncak for popping up when needed.


A central midfielder shouldn't go missing as much as he does. Just because he pops up with a few goals - doesn't make up for that. You could forgive smeltz for that as he was actually a striker.

He did have a good game yesterday though. Keep it going from here Timmy!

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
theprof wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though

 

just a typical goal for brown, he may go missing for big parts of the game but has the kncak for popping up when needed.


A central midfielder shouldn't go missing as much as he does. Just because he pops up with a few goals - doesn't make up for that. You could forgive smeltz for that as he was actually a striker.

He did have a good game yesterday though. Keep it going from here Timmy!
 
+1

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Cosimo wrote:

one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though
True but Brown hasn't been as bad as everyone makes out. Its a lot of band wagonning. In the middle of the pitch is our one person that wins nearly every header and gets up for a fair few. Doesn't always graft back so well but he does a lot of stuff off the ball that makes up for that.Again, I say this week, they came at us down the flank, specifically Muscats, which Miron telegraphed� in his spiels. They came through the middle a little more than last week but I put that down to only 1 DM and missing Lia.


Wasn't Brown meant to be the other DM?

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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theprof wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though

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just a typical goal for brown, he may go missing for big parts of the game but has the kncak for popping up when needed.


He was needed a few more times than that in the game. He didn't seem to pop up on those occasions.

Was great he scored, but it's just annoying how he can be so absent, score a cheeky one, and then all is forgotten.

He is the VC after all, he should be as noticeable every game as Durante. Is he is doing that?

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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goldienz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Cosimo wrote:

one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though
True but Brown hasn't been as bad as everyone makes out. Its a lot of band wagonning. In the middle of the pitch is our one person that wins nearly every header and gets up for a fair few. Doesn't always graft back so well but he does a lot of stuff off the ball that makes up for that.Again, I say this week, they came at us down the flank, specifically Muscats, which Miron telegraphed  in his spiels. They came through the middle a little more than last week but I put that down to only 1 DM and missing Lia.


Wasn't Brown meant to be the other DM?
As far as I could figure they were playing a 4-4-2 diamond and Brown was the left mid.
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rjmiller wrote:
goldienz wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
one swallow does not make a spring...or a decent porno. Nice goal though
True but Brown hasn't been as bad as everyone makes out. Its a lot of band wagonning. In the middle of the pitch is our one person that wins nearly every header and gets up for a fair few. Doesn't always graft back so well but he does a lot of stuff off the ball that makes up for that.Again, I say this week, they came at us down the flank, specifically Muscats, which Miron telegraphed� in his spiels. They came through the middle a little more than last week but I put that down to only 1 DM and missing Lia.
Wasn't Brown meant to be the other DM?

As far as I could figure they were playing a 4-4-2 diamond and Brown was the left mid.


Oh OK, i'll hush my mouth on the "where the bloody hell was he as the other DM" rant then. :)

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Well he is expected to defend. In fact in that formation he is probably required to cover more ground than in a 4-3-3.
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I heaerd Brown's name more in that game than i have in any other this year... unfortunately it was for the Gold Coast player.
 
Brown won a lot in the air, but to me that isn't really that impressive, did his headers always find a man, does it allow us to get the ball down on the ground and play... NO.
 
He is looking to play a smipler passing game i think at the moment which i think is good - he can't do racking cross field passes, or 10 yard through balls, so just get the ball lay off and make people chase you.
 
Average game, with one quality moment to go with his shocker earlier in the game.
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Smith is an attacking midfielder and he'll take a spot anywhere. He has not a clue about being a DM much like Downey is a RB that has no idea about scoring goals. Why people think we had two DM's out there is beyond me. Brown is more a box to box midfielder without excelling at either end really and Lia sits deeper than the two of them. Brown is generally a DM for the Phoenix and was the only one on the pitch. That basically gave us 5 attack minded players in Smith, Sanchez, Ifiil, Ward and Greenacre. I think that formation works better with Lia than Brown purely cause Lia sits deeper. Brown got quite far forward yesterday and he does roam forward as part of his natural game but you don't need to do that when you are surrounded by the players he had.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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TouchMe wrote:
I heaerd Brown's name more in that game than i have in any other this year... unfortunately it was for the Gold Coast player.
 
Brown won a lot in the air, but to me that isn't really that impressive, did his headers always find a man, does it allow us to get the ball down on the ground and play... NO.
 
He is looking to play a smipler passing game i think at the moment which i think is good - he can't do racking cross field passes, or 10 yard through balls, so just get the ball lay off and make people chase you.
 
Average game, with one quality moment to go with his shocker earlier in the game.
I take esception with the aerial stuff because he is our only player that really gets up for headers in the middle of the field. Without him, we would have no aerial presence in the middle of the field.
 
He played ok yesterday and he is not at all like the haters profess.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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I would say Ricki has had Smith playing a holding midfield role rather than a defensive mdifield role, which is a bit different in my eyes (maybe because thats where I have played)

i also think Smith has been our best in the air recently and has amazing hang time whereas I cant remember Brown doing that well in the air until quite recently. By no means is Brown a defensive or attacking midfielder, and when Sanchez is on the park, he needs to carry out more defensive duties than he has down in previous years in my opinion


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Jeff Vader wrote:
Smith is an attacking midfielder and he'll take a spot anywhere. He has not a clue about being a DM much like Downey is a RB that has no idea about scoring goals. Why people think we had two DM's out there is beyond me. Brown is more a box to box midfielder without excelling at either end really and Lia sits deeper than the two of them.�Brown is generally a DM for the Phoenix and was the only one on the pitch. That basically gave us 5 attack minded players in Smith, Sanchez, Ifiil, Ward and Greenacre. I think that formation works better with Lia than Brown purely cause Lia sits deeper. Brown got quite far forward yesterday and he does roam forward as part of his natural game but you don't need to do that when you are surrounded by the players he had.

The previous two seasons we have always had two deeper, more positionally disciplined players than Brown in Lia and Manny. I don't think Brown has ever really played DM much for the Phoenix. Now that we have Sanchez playing mainly in a support striker/AM role I don't think Brown still looking to get forward adds balance to the team. It puts a lot of pressure on our deeper central midfielder to cover opposition attacks, especially when our full backs push forward we can be left with only 3 players behind the ball. There are also ramifications on how we attack/build play with less passing options out of defence, recycling possession and switching play.

Not sure how Sanchez would go in a deeper role, but could switch with Brown and still allows us to have Brown's aerial threat without having him to offer much else or dropping one of Brown or Sanchez. I still think Smith offers something next to play maker like Lia, a sort of crude comparison would be Khedira and Schweinsteiger (Sanchez our Oezil). Well that's my 2 cents.
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Jeff Vader wrote:
Smith is an attacking midfielder and he'll take a spot anywhere. He has not a clue about being a DM much like Downey is a RB that has no idea about scoring goals. Why people think we had two DM's out there is beyond me. Brown is more a box to box midfielder without excelling at either end really and Lia sits deeper than the two of them. Brown is generally a DM for the Phoenix and was the only one on the pitch.
 
I'm not talking about players natural positions but Smith was playing deeper as the only central "defensive midfielder". Brown was playing on the left, Ward on the right.
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Cosimo wrote:

one swallow does not make an orgy


"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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I Tim Brown

...Ever since the day in Season 1 when he signed my Tim Brown Suction Man for me...

The Ifill/C-Diddy/Greenacre Sandwich needs more Brown!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Bullion wrote:
The previous two seasons we have always had two deeper, more positionally disciplined players than Brown in Lia and Manny. I don't think Brown has ever really played DM much for the Phoenix. Now that we have Sanchez playing mainly in a support striker/AM role I don't think Brown still looking to get forward adds balance to the team. It puts a lot of pressure on our deeper central midfielder to cover opposition attacks, especially when our full backs push forward we can be left with only 3 players behind the ball. There are also ramifications on how we attack/build play with less passing options out of defence, recycling possession and switching play.
Sure, agreed Brown doesn't play DM for us. Imho he's always picked as a forward midfielder, almost always has Lia or Manny sitting centrally behind him, so you don't expect him to always be making deep defensive runs, but he does get box to box pretty well.  He may not be the class playmaker and shot maker we all want, but he's scored a bunch of matchwinning goals, plays his guts for the club and unless you have something significantly better - and consistently significantly better - he deserves to be picked every week.  Gets way too much crap every week imho.  If you put Sanchez as your CAM he's weaker defensively and weaker physically competing for the ball than Brown, and this is a pretty physical league.  If you put Smith up front, he offers less proven goalscoring potential than Brown and both Sanchez and Smith cost us an import spot, so they have to be good.
 
If you play with one DM - Manny or Lia - and Brown AND Sanchez both more forward then you don't have the problem you suggest of Brown getting forward and exposing the defense.  He's supposed to be forward and he has that designated DM sitting behind.
i.e. 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-2-3.
Admittedly that gets more shaky when you have a weaker DM in that position, like we had v GCU on Sunday, with Smith in that role. But generally it should work.
With Bertos/Ifill (or Daniel, Ward etc) supporting the lone striker from the wide positions that gives us Sanchez's playmaking and ball skills up front as well as Brown's aerial and in the box threat, Brown playing the deeper defensively of the two CAMs naturally (except when he makes those goalscoring header runs into the box) and expected to do more of the physical and aerial defending centrally in the top half of the field.   I'd admit Brown and Sanchez have got in each other's way a bit when they've played like this, but i think that'd eventually gel.
Smith becomes a back-up to those central more attacking midfielders. I don't think he has a natural starting position in this side, unless he's given a go ahead of Brown or Sanchez. Realistically he'd need to get ahead of Sanchez to justify his import status.  But he's a heck of a good utility, though imo it's a shame to see him playing in a more defensive role which doesn't suit him.  But you can't blame him for playing anywhere he gets a chance and he's been needed in that deeper sort of role with Lia missing so many games and Manny at RB.  
 
mjp22012-01-16 17:41:52
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Like most I was surprised when Sanchez was subbed off so early in the 2nd half, but thought it might've had something to do with him several times coughing up the ball in our defensive third, one of which eventually led to Manny's off the line heroics. Maybe Ricki simply lost patience with him, I'm not sure. In short though, Sanchez is not and never will be a defensive mid. 
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