Also, you'd be surprised how many Kenny Cunninghams there are in Ireland.
Would Ramon & Ivan be a package deal?
Be good to know if he was even interested in the coaching job
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I'd say the fact that Ivan's talking him up confirms he is.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Its been well commented that he does not coach his teams to have a plan B. They play a certain way and rely on scoring early and strangling possession. It when they have to chase the game (and to be fair its not that often) that they fall apart.
Grumpy old bastard alert
We're never going to get a flawless candidate though, because any coach that good won't be interested in the role. I think Ramon is capable of setting up his teams differently for different matches (CWC vs SSP for instance) but what he maybe isn't good at is adjusting tactics within a game if they aren't working. On the other hand, his general record and knowledge of the local game, and contacts for recruitment, all have to be big pluses in his favour.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
You realise that ACFC have been Premiers for the last 4 seasons?
You realise that ACFC have been Premiers for the last 4 seasons?
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You realise that ACFC have been Premiers for the last 4 seasons?
what we need is someone, with a lot of time on their hands, to hang out around nix hq on thorndon quay to see who turns up for an interview.
Things might have changed, but when I lived in Welly, hanging out on Vivian St would lead to some surprising offers.
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You realise that ACFC have been Premiers for the last 4 seasons?
No there is a distinction between them.
The winners of the league are called the Premiers and automatically qualify for the Oceania Champions League
The winners of the Grand Final are called the National Champions
Auckland City are the current premiers (and have been for 4 years in a row now)
Team Wellington are the National Champions (and have been for 2 years in a row now)
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I'd be stoked if the Nix won the lid even if we didn't win the seat
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
So this is the coaching speculation thread?
A bit confused, from the thread title and the content here, but anyway:
Let's get Mark Rudan, then Fox Sports will stop slagging us off because he's their mate.
Our biggest advantage is we have a monopoly on NZ players, the other clubs have a talent pool of 2.3 million each, we have a talent pool of almost 7 million to draw from. Because we're the only show in town the top NZ players should also be cheaper than the top Australians.
We need to focus on developing NZ players and it's insane that we only started doing it a couple of years ago.
Problem is if they get to Marco or Kosta's level they just get 'poached' by the bigger clubs. I think there's been a lot of academy development in the last 10 years in NZ, just not by the Nix. The better players have bypassed the Nix and those like Rufer et al have been okish but not quite good enough to make an impact in the A league just yet. So I guess it's about developing enough young kiwi players and getting them up to A league standard that you aren't as impacted by the 'elite' young players not being with the Nix like the current situation.
Not always necessarily a bad thing especially given our financial constraints. If we could become a feeder club, yes it would be frustrating, but it would also mean that we could then reinvest that in our first team squad quality or even our own academy. It would also make us a more attractive destination for other youth players if they could see the potential to develop here.
I agree with this but I thought Ryan was saying that we needed kiwi youth talent to be able to compete as a consistent top 6 side into the future as it's harder for us to get quality aussie players than most of the aussie clubs?
Also, not many a league coaches have plan b's
Well Perth and Western Sydney were able to work through rough patches to end up going well by the end of the season so I assume they must have tweaked some stuff. Certainly City and Adelaide didn't appear to though.
Our biggest advantage is we have a monopoly on NZ players, the other clubs have a talent pool of 2.3 million each, we have a talent pool of almost 7 million to draw from. Because we're the only show in town the top NZ players should also be cheaper than the top Australians.
We need to focus on developing NZ players and it's insane that we only started doing it a couple of years ago.
Problem is if they get to Marco or Kosta's level they just get 'poached' by the bigger clubs. I think there's been a lot of academy development in the last 10 years in NZ, just not by the Nix. The better players have bypassed the Nix and those like Rufer et al have been okish but not quite good enough to make an impact in the A league just yet. So I guess it's about developing enough young kiwi players and getting them up to A league standard that you aren't as impacted by the 'elite' young players not being with the Nix like the current situation.
Not always necessarily a bad thing especially given our financial constraints. If we could become a feeder club, yes it would be frustrating, but it would also mean that we could then reinvest that in our first team squad quality or even our own academy. It would also make us a more attractive destination for other youth players if they could see the potential to develop here.
I agree with this but I thought Ryan was saying that we needed kiwi youth talent to be able to compete as a consistent top 6 side into the future as it's harder for us to get quality aussie players than most of the aussie clubs?
Kind of, I wasn't saying it's hard for the Phoenix to get top Australian talent just that there is a lot of competition for it, if we just take population and ignore playing numbers then the A-League teams have a player catchment of 2.3 million per team. The Phoenix has a monopoly of 4.5 million + that 2.3 million that every team has.
It's not that it's any harder for the Phoenix to get top Australians, it's just that it's hard for every team. Whereas if we play our cards right we will get virtually no competition for the top NZ talent.
Sure, the exceptional ones will go to get higher wages in Australian teams as foreigners, or will go overseas. But hopefully the club can profit from that. And that's no different from the smaller Australian clubs getting their players poached. In fact, there is an extra barrier that most Kiwis will be classed as foreigners in Australia so they have to be exceptional for that to happen and not a maybe.
Our biggest advantage is we have a monopoly on NZ players, the other clubs have a talent pool of 2.3 million each, we have a talent pool of almost 7 million to draw from. Because we're the only show in town the top NZ players should also be cheaper than the top Australians.
We need to focus on developing NZ players and it's insane that we only started doing it a couple of years ago.
Problem is if they get to Marco or Kosta's level they just get 'poached' by the bigger clubs. I think there's been a lot of academy development in the last 10 years in NZ, just not by the Nix. The better players have bypassed the Nix and those like Rufer et al have been okish but not quite good enough to make an impact in the A league just yet. So I guess it's about developing enough young kiwi players and getting them up to A league standard that you aren't as impacted by the 'elite' young players not being with the Nix like the current situation.
Not always necessarily a bad thing especially given our financial constraints. If we could become a feeder club, yes it would be frustrating, but it would also mean that we could then reinvest that in our first team squad quality or even our own academy. It would also make us a more attractive destination for other youth players if they could see the potential to develop here.
I agree with this but I thought Ryan was saying that we needed kiwi youth talent to be able to compete as a consistent top 6 side into the future as it's harder for us to get quality aussie players than most of the aussie clubs?
Kind of, I wasn't saying it's hard for the Phoenix to get top Australian talent just that there is a lot of competition for it, if we just take population and ignore playing numbers then the A-League teams have a player catchment of 2.3 million per team. The Phoenix has a monopoly of 4.5 million + that 2.3 million that every team has.
It's not that it's any harder for the Phoenix to get top Australians, it's just that it's hard for every team. Whereas if we play our cards right we will get virtually no competition for the top NZ talent.
Sure, the exceptional ones will go to get higher wages in Australian teams as foreigners, or will go overseas. But hopefully the club can profit from that. And that's no different from the smaller Australian clubs getting their players poached. In fact, there is an extra barrier that most Kiwis will be classed as foreigners in Australia so they have to be exceptional for that to happen and not a maybe.
Correct, which is why they will be harder for us to lure back unless we become the best option they have left (meaning, they may have "peaked"). You could argue that Kosta is back with us, as was (briefly) Smeltz, but Marco Rojas or Storm Roux won't be, precisely for that reason.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Our biggest advantage is we have a monopoly on NZ players, the other clubs have a talent pool of 2.3 million each, we have a talent pool of almost 7 million to draw from. Because we're the only show in town the top NZ players should also be cheaper than the top Australians.
We need to focus on developing NZ players and it's insane that we only started doing it a couple of years ago.
Problem is if they get to Marco or Kosta's level they just get 'poached' by the bigger clubs. I think there's been a lot of academy development in the last 10 years in NZ, just not by the Nix. The better players have bypassed the Nix and those like Rufer et al have been okish but not quite good enough to make an impact in the A league just yet. So I guess it's about developing enough young kiwi players and getting them up to A league standard that you aren't as impacted by the 'elite' young players not being with the Nix like the current situation.
Not always necessarily a bad thing especially given our financial constraints. If we could become a feeder club, yes it would be frustrating, but it would also mean that we could then reinvest that in our first team squad quality or even our own academy. It would also make us a more attractive destination for other youth players if they could see the potential to develop here.
I agree with this but I thought Ryan was saying that we needed kiwi youth talent to be able to compete as a consistent top 6 side into the future as it's harder for us to get quality aussie players than most of the aussie clubs?
Kind of, I wasn't saying it's hard for the Phoenix to get top Australian talent just that there is a lot of competition for it, if we just take population and ignore playing numbers then the A-League teams have a player catchment of 2.3 million per team. The Phoenix has a monopoly of 4.5 million + that 2.3 million that every team has.
It's not that it's any harder for the Phoenix to get top Australians, it's just that it's hard for every team. Whereas if we play our cards right we will get virtually no competition for the top NZ talent.
Sure, the exceptional ones will go to get higher wages in Australian teams as foreigners, or will go overseas. But hopefully the club can profit from that. And that's no different from the smaller Australian clubs getting their players poached. In fact, there is an extra barrier that most Kiwis will be classed as foreigners in Australia so they have to be exceptional for that to happen and not a maybe.
Correct, which is why they will be harder for us to lure back unless we become the best option they have left (meaning, they may have "peaked"). You could argue that Kosta is back with us, as was (briefly) Smeltz, but Marco Rojas or Storm Roux won't be, precisely for that reason.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
what we need is someone, with a lot of time on their hands, to hang out around nix hq on thorndon quay to see who turns up for an interview.
bring back Horus. Isn't he the GOD of time?
Premiers - top of the league after regular season
Champions - winner of the finals series
Just plain wrong to say that ACFC haven't won anything.
I'd be super stoked to be A-league premiers once for starters!
I'd rather the incumbents, Ramon, Ryan, Jose, etc.
What style of football does psycho coach?
Piney is tweeting it and Fox sports are also covering it. ? ??
Doing a bit of googling not only did he coach various age group teams but when he was manager of Man City in the PL he was also said to have relied on home grown talent rather than buying players and put a lot of attention on the academy system, so I can see why the Phoenix would be interested.
Piney is tweeting it and Fox sports are also covering it. ? ??
Doing a bit of googling not only did he coach various age group teams but when he was manager of Man City in the PL he was also said to have relied on home grown talent rather than buying players and put a lot of attention on the academy system, so I can see why the Phoenix would be interested.
It's all smoke from the same fire - the Adelaide paper report.
I would like to suggest the club needs a manager whom is a tactician and a disciplinarian or one whom gets in an assistant whom is one or the other.
The players need to learn real fast that aiming for 6th is not an option. You want to be number 1 and a winner or bugger off if you want good wages just to play average.
We are trying to keep ourselves in this league arnt we? Well if so, average and 6th are just not good enough or professional enough.
Doesn't really make sense that someone would be after a NZ Prem job (part-time at best) as an alternative to an A-League job.
Turned down by Tasman, didn't even get an interview at the Nix. Does Brooklyn Northern need a coach? (No offense to BNU.)David Dome says Wgtn Phoenix received CV from Stuart Pearce but the club's Football Committee decided not to pursue it further #ALeague
— Jason Pine (@pineyzb) April 25, 2017
David Dome says Wgtn Phoenix received CV from Stuart Pearce but the club's Football Committee decided not to pursue it further #ALeague
— Jason Pine (@pineyzb) April 25, 2017
Turned down by Tasman, didn't even get an interview at the Nix. Does Brooklyn Northern need a coach? (No offense to BNU.)
Even Tasman did not like Pearce's coaching track record?
At this rate we need to be careful we don't lose Des Buckingham to Notts Forest or to Man City.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Doesn't really make sense that someone would be after a NZ Prem job (part-time at best) as an alternative to an A-League job.
The approach was before last season. TU only turned him down cos they couldn't come close to paying him.
Valley FC til I die?
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