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The Great 2016/17 Coaching Saga

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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

inafoxhole wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

I don't know, I just want us to employ a coach with a plan A, B, C and D. One that can change the tactics in a game to deal with any situations and make them to our advantage. 

Sure, but you seem to be implying Ramon can't do that. Am I understanding you correctly?

Thats the general consensus from the SS Premiership, the obvious counter argument is that ACFC doesn't hold 60% of possesion when playing in a cup competition and are more direct.

n < 10 for those Club World Cup games, so it's hard to judge his direct football and how effective it is.

Not just the club world cup though, also that lunar thingamajig that they seem to do quite well in.

Can't use Lunar in any serious assessment, those were games that meant 100 to AC and 0 to the opposition. Also vs teams in preseason.

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Doesn't sound like wants the job anyway

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/92324441/where-to-now-for-offcontract-auckland-city-coach-ramon-tribulietx

"He could just be remaining tight-lipped out of respect for Auckland City, but sources have suggested relations between Tribulietx and the Phoenix have been frosty for some time now.

He would also be acutely aware of the challenges of being the Phoenix coach.

Every decision has to be ticked off by chairman Rob Morrison and his football committee, meaning recruitment can be delayed and influenced by decisions made above the coach's head.

The club has been designed to be run in a financially sustainable way, but this can mean the coach misses out on players they want if they don't fit within the budget.

So while Tribulietx might crave a bigger challenge, it remained to be seen if the Phoenix would be a task he wanted to take on. "

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almost 9 years ago

Doesn't sound like wants the job anyway

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/92324441/where-to-now-for-offcontract-auckland-city-coach-ramon-tribulietx

"He could just be remaining tight-lipped out of respect for Auckland City, but sources have suggested relations between Tribulietx and the Phoenix have been frosty for some time now.

He would also be acutely aware of the challenges of being the Phoenix coach.

Every decision has to be ticked off by chairman Rob Morrison and his football committee, meaning recruitment can be delayed and influenced by decisions made above the coach's head.

The club has been designed to be run in a financially sustainable way, but this can mean the coach misses out on players they want if they don't fit within the budget.

So while Tribulietx might crave a bigger challenge, it remained to be seen if the Phoenix would be a task he wanted to take on. "

Or it might mean- give me a better offer and  a larger transfer kitty and I'm in



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almost 9 years ago

SST saying we have bypassed Ramon & going to announce a Swiss/Bosnian Manager in the next week or so.

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almost 9 years ago

Are they seriously suggesting Vladimir Petkovic???    I can't think of any other "Swiss/Bosnian" coach.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Are they seriously suggesting Vladimir Petkovic???    I can't think of any other "Swiss/Bosnian" coach.

There's this chap: Darije Kalezic

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almost 9 years ago

Crossed wires. They meant Swedish/Bosnian. 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 9 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Are they seriously suggesting Vladimir Petkovic???    I can't think of any other "Swiss/Bosnian" coach.

There's this chap: Darije Kalezic

No names were mentioned but I'm guessing Kalezic is far more likely than the current Swiss coach ...

Kalezić won the 2nd tier Dutch title in his first season but when he moved to the Conference Premier with Stockport County he ended up leaving by mutual consent, with the club saying this "The reality is that despite our best intentions we believe that we got the decision to employ a manager without Conference experience wrong, and with seven cup finals remaining we have to try and make a positive move that will give us a better chance of retaining our Blue Square Premier status". Guessing his Dutch style really wasn't suited to the lower leagues in England.

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almost 9 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Are they seriously suggesting Vladimir Petkovic???    I can't think of any other "Swiss/Bosnian" coach.

There's this chap: Darije Kalezic

Both would be good!

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Seems to have kept Roda (Juric and De Silva on their books) up in their first season back in the top flight, before heading to Saudi for the money.

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almost 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Seems to have kept Roda (Juric and De Silva on their books) up in their first season back in the top flight, before heading to Saudi for the money.

Also Rostyn Griffiths & Jordy Buijs. So that is a few links to the A-League.
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almost 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Seems to have kept Roda (Juric and De Silva on their books) up in their first season back in the top flight, before heading to Saudi for the money.

"Kalezic was appointed Roda JC boss at the start of the season and guided the club to a safe 14th place. However, after making critical comments against the clubs Technical director Ton Caanen on the last day of the season, Kalezic has been sacked."

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almost 9 years ago

According to a Roda JC Tweeter that messaged me, Kalezic has close ties to Han Berger. So another link to the A-League there.

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almost 9 years ago

Anyone know how his teams play? Seems to be a bit of a journeyman coach. 

At least he has some youth experience.

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Ryan wrote:

Anyone know how his teams play? Seems to be a bit of a journeyman coach. 

At least he has some youth experience.

Disciplined, well organised defensively at Roda JC but didn't score many goals according to @SemCaelen
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almost 9 years ago

Anyway, just remember it is SST...

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almost 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Anyway, just remember it is SST...

Stop being so sensible!
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almost 9 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Are they seriously suggesting Vladimir Petkovic???    I can't think of any other "Swiss/Bosnian" coach.

There's this chap: Darije Kalezic

Well that's gonna be a right cnut to sing.... Darije Kalezic's Yellow Army......

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Doesn't sound like wants the job anyway

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/92324441/where-to-now-for-offcontract-auckland-city-coach-ramon-tribulietx

"He could just be remaining tight-lipped out of respect for Auckland City, but sources have suggested relations between Tribulietx and the Phoenix have been frosty for some time now.

He would also be acutely aware of the challenges of being the Phoenix coach.

Every decision has to be ticked off by chairman Rob Morrison and his football committee, meaning recruitment can be delayed and influenced by decisions made above the coach's head.

The club has been designed to be run in a financially sustainable way, but this can mean the coach misses out on players they want if they don't fit within the budget.

So while Tribulietx might crave a bigger challenge, it remained to be seen if the Phoenix would be a task he wanted to take on. "

I might be naive, but wouldn't this be the case in the vast majority of clubs around the world?

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almost 9 years ago

NOTHING RHYMES WITH DARIJE KALEZIC


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almost 9 years ago

Doloras wrote:

NOTHING RHYMES WITH DARIJE KALEZIC

I think Ian Drury may not agree...

Darije with your Kalezic

Darije! Darije!

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almost 9 years ago

aitkenmike wrote:

Doesn't sound like wants the job anyway

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/92324441/where-to-now-for-offcontract-auckland-city-coach-ramon-tribulietx

"He could just be remaining tight-lipped out of respect for Auckland City, but sources have suggested relations between Tribulietx and the Phoenix have been frosty for some time now.

He would also be acutely aware of the challenges of being the Phoenix coach.

Every decision has to be ticked off by chairman Rob Morrison and his football committee, meaning recruitment can be delayed and influenced by decisions made above the coach's head.

The club has been designed to be run in a financially sustainable way, but this can mean the coach misses out on players they want if they don't fit within the budget.

So while Tribulietx might crave a bigger challenge, it remained to be seen if the Phoenix would be a task he wanted to take on. "

I might be naive, but wouldn't this be the case in the vast majority of clubs around the world?

Arsenal are an extreme example of a club where a coach has total control. Many others would have a Director of Football on top of a coach who is where the buck stops and decisions are made. Sometimes that person is also the coach, or sometimes the coach effectively gets his way. I think it's fair to say the Phoenix have suggested they see the more institutional aspects of the club being more powerful than whoever is the coach at any particular time.

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Ryan wrote:

Anyone know how his teams play? Seems to be a bit of a journeyman coach. 

At least he has some youth experience.

Dunno if I call him a Journey-man coach - he's only 47 and had a playing career that finished in 2006. He's jumped to a few clubs, but they look like clubs that were under performing when he inherited them - so it appears he was dealt shark hands. 

Irrespective, his managerial stats don't look overly impressive. That being said, the A-league's a totally different kettle of fish from Europe.

There's also no confirmation this'll be our chap. I just jumped onto Transfermarkt and matched a Swiss/Bosnian (or Bosnian-Swiss in his case) manager that was out of work in the past couple of years. Even then, I only looked for those that had pictures against them to quickly filter results. If the info posted earlier is incorrect then we could be barking up the wrong tree (fiddy)

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almost 9 years ago

aitkenmike wrote:

Doesn't sound like wants the job anyway

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/92324441/where-to-now-for-offcontract-auckland-city-coach-ramon-tribulietx

"He could just be remaining tight-lipped out of respect for Auckland City, but sources have suggested relations between Tribulietx and the Phoenix have been frosty for some time now.

He would also be acutely aware of the challenges of being the Phoenix coach.

Every decision has to be ticked off by chairman Rob Morrison and his football committee, meaning recruitment can be delayed and influenced by decisions made above the coach's head.

The club has been designed to be run in a financially sustainable way, but this can mean the coach misses out on players they want if they don't fit within the budget.

So while Tribulietx might crave a bigger challenge, it remained to be seen if the Phoenix would be a task he wanted to take on. "

I might be naive, but wouldn't this be the case in the vast majority of clubs around the world?

I think in some models the coach pretty much has control over the playing budget and can choose which players they sign (or have a lead role).  From the sounds of things the coaches at the Phoenix recommend players but don't have the final say, and potentially other players are signed without the coach saying yay or nay.  But that's only reading between the lines.  It is being mentioned a lot so someone somewhere is bringing this stuff up

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Anyone know how his teams play? Seems to be a bit of a journeyman coach. 

At least he has some youth experience.

Dunno if I call him a Journey-man coach - he's only 47 and had a playing career that finished in 2006. He's jumped to a few clubs, but they look like clubs that were under performing when he inherited them - so it appears he was dealt shark hands. 

Irrespective, his managerial stats don't look overly impressive. That being said, the A-league's a totally different kettle of fish from Europe.

There's also no confirmation this'll be our chap. I just jumped onto Transfermarkt and matched a Swiss/Bosnian (or Bosnian-Swiss in his case) manager that was out of work in the past couple of years. Even then, I only looked for those that had pictures against them to quickly filter results. If the info posted earlier is incorrect then we could be barking up the wrong tree (fiddy)

Not many managers that fit what Rallis said on SST & this guy has solid links to the A-League via Sydney FC's technical director, so its a decent guess. But given the source, a grumpy agent whose client didn't get the job, I wouldnt suggest we take it as gospel just quite yet.
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almost 9 years ago

Can some mod with ethics change this thread to Des, Greenie and Patrick's yellow army?

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almost 9 years ago

Kawasaki wrote:

Can some mod with ethics change this thread to Des, Greenie and Patrick's yellow army?

Sponsored by Kawasaki?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 9 years ago

Kawasaki wrote:

Can some mod with ethics change this thread to Des, Greenie and Patrick's yellow army?

You might want to get that hate-boner checked out. 

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almost 9 years ago

Kawasaki wrote:

Can some mod with ethics change this thread to Des, Greenie and Patrick's yellow army?

Clear case of "Green with envy". It may yet develop into a fully blown case of yellow fever.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

I find it incredibly touching that Kawasaki is praising my coaching skills to the extent that he feels like I'd be equipped to coach the Phoenix! Thanks man, means a lot.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

I find it incredibly touching that Kawasaki is praising my coaching skills to the extent that he feels like I'd be equipped to coach the Phoenix! Thanks man, means a lot.

Put your hat in the ring !!

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Just throwing a name out there - Ufuk Talay?

Has a decent amount of youth team experience and I'm sure he'd be looking at an A-League gig soonish.

You could also maybe get a chant or two out of a name like that...

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almost 9 years ago

You fudge, too late ?

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

I'd prefer his cousin, Ufuk Tupp.


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Doloras wrote:

I'd prefer his cousin, Ufuk Tupp.

There are rumours he's already retired from active playing and now works at NZF Transfers Division

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

[quote=Doloras]

I'd prefer his cousin, Ufuk Tupp.

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Ufuk N'Arzle

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Doloras wrote:

I'd prefer his cousin, Ufuk Tupp.

Ufuk N'Arzle

Ufuk N'Kuntz

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 9 years ago

Ufuk Yomama

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 9 years ago

I think you're all getting confused with his German uncle Ufuk Hoff

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almost 9 years ago

Nothing wrong with "The Hoff". 

What about Ufuk Neonedesperate?

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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