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almost 9 years ago

Whom ever it is he must be a bit shady and had a checkered past if the visa is such an issue

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almost 9 years ago

Kawasaki wrote:

Whom ever it is he must be a bit shady and had a checkered past if the visa is such an issue

Possible answers:

1) if he's Bosnian then visas might be an issue what with all the war criminals on the run knocking about (sorry Boxey)

2) I can see benefits in a coach who is linked to the underworld and he knows people and they tell him things.


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almost 9 years ago

More importantly though, who is Zac going to choose tonight???

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almost 9 years ago

Kawasaki wrote:

Whom ever it is he must be a bit shady and had a checkered past if the visa is such an issue

Is a couple of weeks a long time? It's taken me several months to get my uk citizenship even though my mum was born there. It also took my girlfriend a couple of months just to get a returning resident visa on her Latvian passport despite the fact that she's live in NZ and has been a resident since childhood.

It's not like he can come on a normal working visa for those under 30.

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almost 9 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Kawasaki wrote:

Whom ever it is he must be a bit shady and had a checkered past if the visa is such an issue

Possible answers:

1) if he's Bosnian then visas might be an issue what with all the war criminals on the run knocking about (sorry Boxey)

2) I can see benefits in a coach who is linked to the underworld and he knows people and they tell him things.

Great requirements to fix the lack of discipline within the team on the field. Do what I say or there are some concrete football boots waiting for you at Queens Wharf - understand me?

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almost 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Kawasaki wrote:

Whom ever it is he must be a bit shady and had a checkered past if the visa is such an issue

Possible answers:

1) if he's Bosnian then visas might be an issue what with all the war criminals on the run knocking about (sorry Boxey)

2) I can see benefits in a coach who is linked to the underworld and he knows people and they tell him things.

Great requirements to fix the lack of discipline within the team on the field. Do what I say or there are some concrete football boots waiting for you at Queens Wharf - understand me?

Didn't work for Terry.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 9 years ago

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Lonegunmen wrote:

Stay away from County. Jim Gannon is God. What about the former Everton and Wigan coach? Martinez might be looking for a job?

I think you'll find that Roberto Martinez is aiming a little higher.

He's been manager of Belgium since August last year (4 W 3 D 1 L).

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Traveller wrote:

It doesn't say who the Visa is for... Remon's mrs would need a visa as she has never come out to nz the entire time he has been coaching ACFC. She was here for the last couple of weeks and was in Welli for the TW final recently...

It's not Ramon.

The new coach is Dutch.

....... of Serbian extraction ......

Actually, the strongest rumours are that it is Darije Kalezic, born in Switzerland of Montenegrin and Bosnian parentage.

His nationalities are Bosnian and Swiss.

Started his playing career in Bosnia, his mother's country, from a young age.

His coaching career has been mostly in the Netherlands from 2009.

Any visa hold-up may because he's a Bosnian recently living in Saudi Arabia.

He was in charge of Saudi club Al Taawoun for seven matches at the beginning of the current Saudi season (runs the same months as the European season) from July to October 2016 before stepping down. His replacement only lasted a few months too. Now they're on their third coach for the season.

Al Taawoun under Kalezic:

League games: 1 W 1 D 3 L

Cup games: 1 W 1 L

Kalezic on Transfermarkt:

http://www.transfermarkt.com/darije-kalezic/profil...

See comments section below this article:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/footbal...

Kalezic's Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darije_Kalezi%C4%87

He's a good age at 47 with lots of experience coaching in the Netherlands.

Playing career in Bosnia and in Holland (Eredivisie)

Coached in Eredivisie (De Grafschaap, Roda JC) and Dutch second tier (won the title with De Grafschaap; and he also coached PSV Eindhoven reserve team for two seasons)

Most recently he was coaching Roda JC in the Dutch Eredivisie (until May 2016) and in Saudi Arabia with Al-Taawoun.

Kalezic already had A-League scouting contacts when he was at Roda JC and had three Aussies playing under him there - Tommy Juric, Royston Griffiths and Danny de Silva (ex Perth Glory youngster)

He's never stayed more than two seasons at a single club (coaching as a first team manager since 2009) and was only at Stockport County for two months and Zulte Waregam in the Belgian top flight for half a season.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 9 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Stay away from County. Jim Gannon is God. What about the former Everton and Wigan coach? Martinez might be looking for a job?

I think you'll find that Diego Martinez is aiming a little higher.

He's been manager of Belgium since August last year (4 W 3 D 1 L).

Diego? You mean Roberto.

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almost 9 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

More importantly though, who is Zac going to choose tonight???

Viarni won the coin toss.

bling blang blah
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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Ryan's Rovers‏ @Ryans_Rovers May 8

" Atm its just speculation, a Football Agent said we are going to appoint a Swiss/Bosnian Manager instead of his client."

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The reason Kalezic was sacked by Roda JC a week after securing survival in their first season back in the Eredivisie in May last year, was for criticizing the club's technical director in the media after the last game of the season:

http://www.football-oranje.com/roda-jc-sack-coach-...

He'll no doubt be happier at the Nix with no technical director interfering.

Also, as a Bosnian immigrant to the Netherlands, the situation for immigrants has turned nasty in recent years with the rise of the right and Gert Wilders, attacks on Muslims, job discrimination etc.

He might be looking for a better living situation for him and his family.

Kalezic also has a relationship with Melbourne-based player agent Dragan Jevtic who helped Kalezic sign three Aussies for Roda JC in 2015:

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/08/16/...

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From the editor of Roda JC Live:

Sem Caelen‏ @SemCaelen May 8

 He has close ties with Han Berger, who worked for the Australian FA as well if I'm correct. Advised my club Roda JC on these transfers.  

 

Ryan's Rovers ‏@Ryans_Rovers May 8

What is Kalezic like as a manager? A-League seems to favor teams that set up to defend & counter quickly, mostly playing 4-5-1

Sem Caelen‏@SemCaelen May 8

        

Well, that perfectly sums up Kalezic' style. Likes to play 'realistically', in other words disciplined, well-organised defensive

That's what he did at Roda, scored very little goals when he managed our club. As a person, he is very authoritarian if you know what I mean

Managed to prevent us from relegation. Was still fired after the last match because of attitude and an ongoing conflict with sports director

That's a crucial element for Kalezic. He wants full and single responsibility in that field. Btw, the conflict here was not only his fault.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Dragan Jevtic passed away last year. He is the one who brought Ninkovic and Holosko to the league. Also Huysegems and  was the agent for Smeltz..

a.haak

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almost 9 years ago

If went through a couple of winters in the Netherlands he'd be completely at home in Wellington.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Traveller wrote:

It doesn't say who the Visa is for... Remon's mrs would need a visa as she has never come out to nz the entire time he has been coaching ACFC. She was here for the last couple of weeks and was in Welli for the TW final recently...

It's not Ramon.

The new coach is Dutch.

....... of Serbian extraction ......

Actually, the strongest rumours are that it is Darije Kalezic, born in Switzerland of Montenegrin and Bosnian parentage.

His nationalities are Bosnian and Swiss.

Started his playing career in Bosnia, his mother's country, from a young age.

His coaching career has been mostly in the Netherlands from 2009.

Any visa hold-up may because he's a Bosnian recently living in Saudi Arabia.

He was in charge of Saudi club Al Taawoun for seven matches at the beginning of the current Saudi season (runs the same months as the European season) from July to October 2016 before stepping down. His replacement only lasted a few months too. Now they're on their third coach for the season.

Al Taawoun under Kalezic:

League games: 1 W 1 D 3 L

Cup games: 1 W 1 L

Kalezic on Transfermarkt:

http://www.transfermarkt.com/darije-kalezic/profil...

See comments section below this article:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/footbal...

Kalezic's Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darije_Kalezi%C4%87

He's a good age at 47 with lots of experience coaching in the Netherlands.

Playing career in Bosnia and in Holland (Eredivisie)

Coached in Eredivisie (De Grafschaap, Roda JC) and Dutch second tier (won the title with De Grafschaap; and he also coached PSV Eindhoven reserve team for two seasons)

Most recently he was coaching Roda JC in the Dutch Eredivisie (until May 2016) and in Saudi Arabia with Al-Taawoun.

Kalezic already had A-League scouting contacts when he was at Roda JC and had three Aussies playing under him there - Tommy Juric, Royston Griffiths and Danny de Silva (ex Perth Glory youngster)

He's never stayed more than two seasons at a single club (coaching as a first team manager since 2009) and was only at Stockport County for two months and Zulte Waregam in the Belgian top flight for half a season.

Is Stockport County where Hudson was manager for a few minutes?
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almost 9 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Traveller wrote:

It doesn't say who the Visa is for... Remon's mrs would need a visa as she has never come out to nz the entire time he has been coaching ACFC. She was here for the last couple of weeks and was in Welli for the TW final recently...

It's not Ramon.

The new coach is Dutch.

....... of Serbian extraction ......

Actually, the strongest rumours are that it is Darije Kalezic, born in Switzerland of Montenegrin and Bosnian parentage.

His nationalities are Bosnian and Swiss.

Started his playing career in Bosnia, his mother's country, from a young age.

His coaching career has been mostly in the Netherlands from 2009.

Any visa hold-up may because he's a Bosnian recently living in Saudi Arabia.

He was in charge of Saudi club Al Taawoun for seven matches at the beginning of the current Saudi season (runs the same months as the European season) from July to October 2016 before stepping down. His replacement only lasted a few months too. Now they're on their third coach for the season.

Al Taawoun under Kalezic:

League games: 1 W 1 D 3 L

Cup games: 1 W 1 L

Kalezic on Transfermarkt:

http://www.transfermarkt.com/darije-kalezic/profil...

See comments section below this article:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/footbal...

Kalezic's Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darije_Kalezi%C4%87

He's a good age at 47 with lots of experience coaching in the Netherlands.

Playing career in Bosnia and in Holland (Eredivisie)

Coached in Eredivisie (De Grafschaap, Roda JC) and Dutch second tier (won the title with De Grafschaap; and he also coached PSV Eindhoven reserve team for two seasons)

Most recently he was coaching Roda JC in the Dutch Eredivisie (until May 2016) and in Saudi Arabia with Al-Taawoun.

Kalezic already had A-League scouting contacts when he was at Roda JC and had three Aussies playing under him there - Tommy Juric, Royston Griffiths and Danny de Silva (ex Perth Glory youngster)

He's never stayed more than two seasons at a single club (coaching as a first team manager since 2009) and was only at Stockport County for two months and Zulte Waregam in the Belgian top flight for half a season.

Is Stockport County where Hudson was manager for a few minutes?

Stockport are Shi-ite, but not THAT sharke.

It was Newport County for Hudson was at! 

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And this is our Home

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almost 9 years ago

Kalezic's average of 1.31 points per game across 243 matches seems a decent average

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almost 9 years ago

the ant wrote:

Kalezic's average of 1.31 points per game across 243 matches seems a decent average

Does it? Over 27 games in an A League season that would have go us 35 points. Which is 5 more than we got but still 1 less than Perth in 6th.

Or to put it another way, it's worse than a win, draw and loss ratio of 1:1:1.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 9 years ago

the ant wrote:

Kalezic's average of 1.31 points per game across 243 matches seems a decent average

Does it? Over 27 games in an A League season that would have go us 35 points. Which is 5 more than we got but still 1 less than Perth in 6th.

Or to put it another way, it's worse than a win, draw and loss ratio of 1:1:1.

And still 15 points more than the Jest

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almost 9 years ago

So if he has an average season with us we do better than we did this year. And if he has a slightly better season we do better than we've done four out of the last five years.



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almost 9 years ago

This is doing my head in.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

So if he has an average season with us we do better than we did this year. And if he has a slightly better season we do better than we've done four out of the last five years.

Well, an average season from him would still put us behind the points needed to qualify for the playoffs in the last two seasons. And 4 out of the last 5 seasons have been terrible so hardly a great benchmark to measure off. 

Obviously stats don't tell the whole story (depends on the relative resources he had vs rivals and so on) but on stats alone he's not exactly inspiring.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 9 years ago

Very true. The stats are not going to tell us much without having a good understanding of their context. So, meh.

We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

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almost 9 years ago

Talking smack on a few meaningless stats in the off-season? not at all what we do...



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almost 9 years ago

At least its good to actually have someone to discuss and know that there is some kind of planning in motion for next season!

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almost 9 years ago

Nothing new from SST tonight, Rallis still has no idea on the name. He said "I think he was at Roda JC" but that wasn't said with any conviction, so not taking that as fact.

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almost 9 years ago

So, if we do get Darije, should we expect a less-attacking game plan than what Ernie put in place?

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almost 9 years ago

David Moyes has just (resigned) Jumped before the firing squad.

Is he on his way for a summer holiday

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almost 9 years ago

How he did well at Everton, yet at Sunderland ? The United experiment was down due to SAF and Ryan Giggs undermining him.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

How he did well at Everton, yet at Sunderland ? The United experiment was down due to SAF and Ryan Giggs undermining him.

No, the United experiement was down to him being sharke

Valley FC til I die?

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almost 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

How he did well at Everton, yet at Sunderland ? The United experiment was down due to SAF and Ryan Giggs undermining him.

The did well at Rverton, shark at Sunderland. Shark at his only gig outside the UK (Real Sociedad)

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

How he did well at Everton, yet at Sunderland ? The United experiment was down due to SAF and Ryan Giggs undermining him.

The did well at Rverton, shark at Sunderland. Shark at his only gig outside the UK (Real Sociedad)

was always a hospital pass for any Manager to follow SAF at Manure.  Interestingly his Manure record is pretty much on par with those that succeded him while spending a shark load less dough
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almost 9 years ago
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almost 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

How he did well at Everton, yet at Sunderland ? The United experiment was down due to SAF and Ryan Giggs undermining him.

The did well at Rverton, shark at Sunderland. Shark at his only gig outside the UK (Real Sociedad)

was always a hospital pass for any Manager to follow SAF at Manure.  Interestingly his Manure record is pretty much on par with those that succeded him while spending a shark load less dough

lol manure SO funny
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almost 9 years ago

If it is Kalezic then the forum collectively owes RR a beer for some outstanding digging.

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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

If it is Kalezic then the forum collectively owes RR a beer for some outstanding digging.

Stuff that after all its only a new coach give me tomorrow nites lotto numbers and i might do something.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

If it is Kalezic then the forum collectively owes RR a beer for some outstanding digging.

Nah, not me. I just posted what Rallis said in his rant. All credit goes to TreeFiddy, he found the name. I only could find the Swiss coach, my google-fu doesn't come close to his.
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almost 9 years ago

ATE sort of chant can we make out of that name?

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Kawasaki wrote:

Whom ever it is he must be a bit shady and had a checkered past if the visa is such an issue

Is a couple of weeks a long time? It's taken me several months to get my uk citizenship even though my mum was born there. It also took my girlfriend a couple of months just to get a returning resident visa on her Latvian passport despite the fact that she's live in NZ and has been a resident since childhood.

It's not like he can come on a normal working visa for those under 30.

NZ took 2 months to give my wife a visitors visa so no surprises in the process takes a while for a work visa.

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almost 9 years ago

If Ramon is definetly out of the picture, I'd be open to him taking the AW reins after what's been served up at AW and U20 levels under Hudson.  It could be a refreshing change, maybe the "God Father" could be involved too.

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