I really think we should carry a young kiwi keeper as our backup. If Paston went out for the whole season, then we could look at bringing in a replacement. But this is a cheap option and develops another New Zealander.
I would keep Daniel. He loves the country and is a much better squad player than the likes of Diego/Christie/Ferrante/Mulligan because you can put an attacking player on the bench more often than a defensive player.
Macallister may come good, if he does, I think we will keep him. If not, Killen for marquee.
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Humble and a nice Guy maybe but I am afraid he is now on borrowed time. 3 years ago he was one of the best imports in the league but can you say that now? His pace has gone, his tackling is lacking and he is not the playmaker that will make our side. At the moment ifill, bertos and rojas all rank above him.
Daniel still offers a lot. Even if it is as a sub. He will come on and provide the defence splitting ball or pinpoint cross
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More or less what I was going to say. Daniel never had pace or tackling ability anyway, nor has he ever been a playmaker in the way Flores or Hernandez are. For me he's been a bit ordinary when starting so far, but has put in some impressive turns when subbed on with 25-30 to go.
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Incidentally I sometimes think that being a 'nice guy' is an undervalued quality in a player. I'd take a nice guy any day over the likes of Burns/Muscat/Sterjovski, etc. One thing I like a lot about the Phoenix is that we have plenty of spirit and camraderie on the field and hopefully off it too. Egos are reigned in for the good of the team. I believe this can be credited to Ricki - one of those coaching things which is usually overlooked in our eagerness to give him a good kicking when results aren't going as hoped.
I like your ideals, but almost every side needs a Muscat if they are to be successful. I have known a lot of Mr Nice guys off the field but they change as soon as they are on on the pitch.
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I can see I'm swimming against the tide here - I can see how you could make a case to keep him but if we don't sign him do you think the Roar or GCU would pick him up - even as a squad player (forgetting the visa spot issue) ? Really ?
Whitby boy2011-01-04 20:17:50
The issue for me is I can't see how we are going to make the quantum leap from a struggling mid table team to the Roar of 2011/12 unless we significantly raise the benchmark for keeping and signing players.
Even last season when we finished 3rd we were still a long way behind Melbourne and Sydney.
Daniel doesn't, for me, make the benchmark.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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We already have one nice guy being given a contract next year who will solely be a squad player in greenacre
I like Daniel as a person and agree he has done a lot for the nix of the field. If Terry has the money/resources sign him up in a development role.
I can't believe we are debating keeping someone because he is a nice guy.
I like Daniel as a person and agree he has done a lot for the nix of the field. If Terry has the money/resources sign him up in a development role.
I can't believe we are debating keeping someone because he is a nice guy.
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i think the benchmark for the Roar of 2011/12 will be more defined by the tactics and play style than the personnel.
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
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i think the benchmark for the Roar of 2011/12 will be more defined by the tactics and play style than the personnel.
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
On the point of the Roar, we may have beaten them, but they had 3 months of pre season and Ange knew exactly what he was doing.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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i think the benchmark for the Roar of 2011/12 will be more defined by the tactics and play style than the personnel.
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
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On the point of the Roar, we may have beaten them, but they had 3 months of pre season and Ange knew exactly what he was doing.
This is part of my point, it took them a long time to get what they have now to where it is.
Ange knew what he was doing when he took the job last season and he dumped all his players he didnt feel was needed. At the time, people thought it was crazy, but you gotta hand it to him.
I hope Ricki can be as ballsy and break his personal preferences for a winning system
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On the point of the Roar, we may have beaten them, but they had 3 months of pre season and Ange knew exactly what he was doing.
This is part of my point, it took them a long time to get what they have now to where it is.
Ange knew what he was doing when he took the job last season and he dumped all his players he didnt feel was needed. At the time, people thought it was crazy, but you gotta hand it to him.
I hope Ricki can be as ballsy and break his personal preferences for a winning system
who are the players he prefers? I think he's dropped everyone at some time
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I don't get the link between what you have quoted and what you have posted.Not the first time I must admit.
Perhaps if you read the previous threads you might.
The comment was made that the Roar din'nt change things until the season started. We beat them in the pre season.
I then mentioned that they had been training for 3 months pre season, and HN quoted Craig Foster as saying that they had not.
Hope you now understand?
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On the point of the Roar, we may have beaten them, but they had 3 months of pre season and Ange knew exactly what he was doing.
This is part of my point, it took them a long time to get what they have now to where it is. Ange knew what he was doing when he took the job last season and he dumped all his players he didnt feel was needed. At the time, people thought it was crazy, but you gotta hand it to him. I hope Ricki can be as ballsy and break his personal preferences for a winning system
who are the players�he prefers? I think he's dropped everyone at some time
The big names he he got rid of(or who retired or got the message) were Craig Moore, Danny Tiatto and Charlie Miller.
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On the point of the Roar, we may have beaten them, but they had 3 months of pre season and Ange knew exactly what he was doing.
This is part of my point, it took them a long time to get what they have now to where it is. Ange knew what he was doing when he took the job last season and he dumped all his players he didnt feel was needed. At the time, people thought it was crazy, but you gotta hand it to him. I hope Ricki can be as ballsy and break his personal preferences for a winning system
who are the players�he prefers? I think he's dropped everyone at some time
no no i mean once we can make some new signings, I hope he can break apart say our midfield three so that we can bring in a playmaker type figure.
Thats all I meant
Yeah and as Leggy said, Ange did make the calls to drop the "bigger" names as to build a team that could play the way he wanted.
It'd be nice if Ricki could choose a system we can play to and recruit around itplaywithFire2011-01-04 21:57:40
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err News was referring to the 'Ange knew exactly what he was doing' part of the post as Foster and Ange have had bust ups in the past.
OK. They sure have. It seemed to start when Ange was dummped as Oz coach. I'm not sure what was said but CF seemed to think that it was deserved.
I for one think that as a youth coach Ange had done a good job.
I don't think that anyone at the moment would doubt that Ange knows what he is about.
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On the point of the Roar, we may have beaten them, but they had 3 months of pre season and Ange knew exactly what he was doing.
This is part of my point, it took them a long time to get what they have now to where it is. Ange knew what he was doing when he took the job last season and he dumped all his players he didnt feel was needed. At the time, people thought it was crazy, but you gotta hand it to him. I hope Ricki can be as ballsy and break his personal preferences for a winning system
who are the players he prefers? I think he's dropped everyone at some time
The big names he he got rid of(or who retired or got the message) were Craig Moore, Danny Tiatto and Charlie Miller.
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Really hope the nix have similar structures and policies in place as this:
https://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/192651,hearts-masterplan.aspx
UK players will be a good target and we have two here who can help us get others over the line
https://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/192651,hearts-masterplan.aspx
UK players will be a good target and we have two here who can help us get others over the line
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So you're saying you'd rather just have an 11 player squad? And just not bother with squad players?
He was good in season one,he started in season one. 3 years on,our squad has improved,perhaps he has lost a bit of pace - he is a squad player.
Not everyone in a squad is an ifill who willstart every week.
Fact is Daniel has been handy when called upon,hasn't put a foot wrong,loves the club,and is now a local.
Any team needs squad players like him,including the roar and GCU.
He was good in season one,he started in season one. 3 years on,our squad has improved,perhaps he has lost a bit of pace - he is a squad player.
Not everyone in a squad is an ifill who willstart every week.
Fact is Daniel has been handy when called upon,hasn't put a foot wrong,loves the club,and is now a local.
Any team needs squad players like him,including the roar and GCU.
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i think the benchmark for the Roar of 2011/12 will be more defined by the tactics and play style than the personnel.
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
Don't get me wrong Whitby Boy, I understand where you are coming from completely, but rebuilding a whole new squad is what we shouldnt be doing. The roar still have average players as squad players, but they have a full game plan and style that they stick to and play to.
Ricki needs to define how he wants to play and stick to it before the season rather than always throwing different tactics and formations around. None of this 343 stuff unless we are gonna back ourselves to play it for the whole season. I see us playing 433 just because thats how ricki usually likes his midfield. So what he has to do is say this is how we are going to play, the fullbacks will push this far forwards, our wide players are going to do this and that blah blah blah.
It will take time, you need a full preseason to get it right. The Roar didnt have it sorted preseason, we beat em in the tron, and they didnt start the season as well as they are now. Postecoglu dropped the deadweight players at the end of last season and identified how he wanted to play. But he did keep the bulk of his squad.
I think personally, we have depth in the wide postions, and Ricki likes his fullbacks pressing up forward, so finding a cassio like right back could really be a gamechanging signing.
Obviously we need marquee playmaker and striker signings also, but I think keeping Daniel is keeping a reliable player who can perform when needed, but can be kept as a squad player.
I would personally be happy if the guys who currently sit on our bench end up as our squad reserves because our new signings have pushed our current first teamers from the starting 11
I completely agree. I think the success of the Roar is in part due to the advanced planning and recruitment they underwent. Riki should settle on a formation be it 4-3-3 or what ever and recruit and train to make this formation work.
Get the game plan and find the players to make it work, embed that plan into the players in your team until its a natural form of football for them. That is what will make us a peforming team next season.
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