Was - Phoenix Transfer Speculation (Part 1)

fine sign Dani Alves then

I hope some of you got FM11 for xmas. If not, it's never too late SurgeQld2011-01-03 23:12:58

Still think Djulbic is one of the better CB's in the A-League and if we could get him when North leaves then our defence would be better next season than it was this season.  Still need a RB but easily a step in the right direction.  Sure he may want to stay on the Gold Coast but everybody's circumstances are different and it would be poor to not even make an inquiry.

In my opinion though, CB is not much of a priority when we have a few players capable of playing there. Manny could easily do a job there in my opinion.

I just think we need to strengthen the other areas as a priority. Especially RB, Creative midfielder and striker.

Not that another CB wouldnt be useful, just would prefer more important slots filled.


Also, Crowther has hinted he doesnt want to stick around I believe, so we should definitely be looking locally with the likes of spoonley, imray or even gleeson? Although he's off overseas I believe.

Is there any player that you actually do like?

I think Jake Gleeson coming here would be bad for his career. He seems to be doing very well in the US. Lets see if he can get in the MLS first.

Siggy

Where has the idea of Mossy being off-contract come from, anywhere other than the Cove forum? When he signed with GCU it was reported as being a two-year contract, so unless something has changed he's not off-contract until 2012.

Sauce: https://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/07/19/240171_gold-coast-soccer.html

 

Well played.

Get f**ked.

He's had 7 starts this season which means they would generally prefer to play the likes of van den Brink and Rees ahead of him.

Is that what we aspire to, a player ranked below Rees and van den Brink?

Rees is sh** so no? How can people think someone below Rees is good for the nix. Sounds like a fan boy.

Rees has been played when Thwaite hasnt been available in centre defence, Van den Brink has been played at Def Mid all season. How are they above Curtis when it comes to playing right back? The low amount of games might be more to do with fitness and injuries than being seen as a worse player than those 2.

I would rather we get Franjic than Curtis if we were shopping around the league for a right back. But thats not going to happen. Curtis appears to be available, and hasnt been made to look like a complete muppet by anyone in the league, so at least should be considered.
Ryan's Rovers2011-01-04 11:46:26

The low amount of games is that when they have all players available they have played Djulbic and others at right back ahead of him, generally converted centre backs rather than dedicated players in that position.

Go back and check his red card before you start making comments about not looking like a muppet.

You're not perhaps biased by his 3 years at Rovers 10 years ago are you?
Hard News2011-01-04 11:53:34

I didnt see the game he got his red in. Found it on youtube, wasnt good, but we have seen Nix players do daft things in the past and we dont hold it against them.

He was at Rovers before my time following them, I hadnt heard of him before he turned up at Gold Coast.

Dont get me wrong, im not demanding we sign him, I was just suggesting that he might be worth a look. I would rather us sign better, just so long as we have a right back for next season.

I'm against signing old has-beens. If we're on the market for an older right back then it has to be Duncan Oughton. But due to his omissions from the AW of late, I can't see him being wanted by Ricki.
I strongly suggest we look towards the Scandinavian leagues for one. There has been hardly any players from that part of the world. And as we remember Jade North couldn't get a start over there. The lifestyle would be much similar here, just a hang of a lot warmer.

So according to me this is what we need:
Goalkeeper: Spoonley.  Play 2nd behind Paston and we dump Crowther.
Rightback: Have we ever had one?  I'm not sure who but this is important.  Curtis?  (I joke, I joke).
CB: Dino Djulbic.  Can't see North staying and if he wants to only accept him if we can't get Djulbic.
Attacking Midfield: A Flores/Broich/Hernandez (but not fat, hopefully) type player.  Need to do some proper scouting for this one.
Striker: Get Ifill to do something seeing as he's injured and try to hook us up.  That or Smeltz.

Not until we get that solid spine that we'll be a top contender to win it.  And players like Daniel and Leo, I know they're loved and I love the guys too but they're not up to it so if we can relegate them to the bench for someone then that's only good.  Rojas could be doing that to one of them which is a positive.
loyalgunner2011-01-04 13:00:50

Is a CB really a major priority? Even if North leaves we still have Siggy and Dura, a capable duo in the centre of defense.
Everything else seems slightly more important. If we get Dino then go hard but there aren't that many CBs I could see us signing that should be played over Siggy

Why get rid of Crowther just out of interest? Is Spoonly actually better? And what's not to say Paston retires at the end of this season

Crowther has said (on his facebook page) he is "a bit sick" of New Zealand and may look to Europe again.

Yeah if he aint happy, then id rather we get spoonley or someone. Even someone from the youth system if they are looking good.

Pasty is still signed on for next year but think that'll be his last year so I'd look at even possibly finding someone who can sit under him next year, but then really challenge for the number 1 spot the following year.

OK, so the following are signed on for next season:

Mark Paston
Ben Sigmund
Andrew Durante
James Musa (u21)
Manny Muscat
Vince Lia
Tim Brown
Leo Bertos
Paul Ifill (Fgn)
Chris Greenacre (Fgn)
Mirjan Pavlovic


The following will hopefully re-sign I think:

Tony Lochhead
Troy Hearfield
Marco Rojas (u21)
Daniel Cortes
Nick Ward


Which means the following will probably leave:

Reece Crowther (gk)
Danny Vukovich
Dylan Macallister
Oscar Roberto Cornejo (Fgn)
Jade North
Diego Walsh (Fgn)


I think that will be a fair bit of cap freed up from these guys, and remembering that be have to sign another youth player, we should be able to use up these free spots for foreign guys. And using the marquee systems could really mean we could get some good guys.

I for one think one youth spot should be Lovemore.

Please take Daniel of your list and free up some cash. He has done his timeAucklandPhoenix2011-01-04 16:33:27

Yeah because I'm sure he's on big bucks for a useful squad player...

Don't know why everyone else is against it, but I'd definitely re-sign MacAllister.

Then we could play a proper big man/small man 4-4-2 with Greenacre!

He has been injured, and is better that the other two, but I still would not have him.

Yeah but Daniel is a humble guy, who knows whats best for the team and will do a job when called upon. Also doesn't take up a visa spot anymore so I would definitely have him in my squad for next year.

So for me, I think Ward is more likely to stay than the others, but I guess I'm hopeful.

If we assume the 6 I have stated do leave, then I would look to replace them as follows:


Reece Crowther - Young Kiwi Keeper, ideally Spoonley or someone. Will not be too expensive but will have a chance to prove themselves.

Danny Vukovich - We dont want 3 keepers, its just not managable enough in my opinion. If we don't get a young kiwi then I guess we can oick up someone like McMaster but they would probably be worth a bit more

Jade North - Would like him to stay, but realistically, he is doubtful. He also hasnt performed to the highest standard. He is under the Aus Marquee title, and it would be nice to find someone else to spend that on? I think we should look at a capable CB who will challenge Siggy and Durante, but doesn't demand it and use up much cap. Perhaps Boyens?

Diego - Ahh Diego, so much promise, but not enough delivery. He will be on decent dollars id say, and its time for him to go. We are reasonably placed with midfielders, so looking for a quality RB, even if theyre foreign, may be worth it. Look at Cassio's pressence for the Reds. Hopefully we can find someone to fill out our back four

Toto - Never got a real shot to prove himself and dont know if he will. But we really gotta find a playmaker who can produce in this part of the world. The dont have to be south american or whatever, even looking at asia might work. We should look at using marquee money for here or striker

MacAllister - He could win himself another contract, but what we really want is a man who will play solo up front with a good goal record. Marquee money could be used here too. Herbert likes playing 433 which can be 451 so this guy needs to be able to operate solo and efficiently like a Van Dijk or Smetlz

Humble and a nice Guy maybe but I am afraid he is now on borrowed time. 3 years ago he was one of the best imports in the league but can you say that now? His pace has gone, his tackling is lacking and he is not the playmaker that will make our side. At the moment ifill, bertos and rojas all rank above him.   

Daniel still offers a lot. Even if it is as a sub. He will come on and provide the defence splitting ball or pinpoint cross

He's a very good,handy squad player who I imagine isn't exactly on big bucks. He also doesn't take up a foreign spot. Letting him go to free up funds is illogical then is it not.

Not everybody has to be lighting up the league,when salary cap is involved you need players like Daniel and hearfield in the squad.

Yeah, and hes no longer an import which is a big thing. He can be a good mentor for our younger players and will work hard when on the field no matter what.

He lives and breathes the phoenix and is a real personality that we will hopefully be able to keep in the wellington football community for years to come

Daniel looked good in season one - with a fair amount of credit for that due to Filipe. There was also the novelty factor of having a tricky Brazilian in the team. Last, and no means least, he's a very good club man who has a great rapour with supporters, especially the kids. Whitby boy2011-01-04 19:36:21

another of the 'so and so is over 30 - therefore he must not be able to run anymore' comments  ala Elliott. Gees these comments fark me off.

I agree with what Feverish said earlier. Daniel can still offer a good defense splitting ball after coming on as a sub. In la-la land we'd sign 20 or so Hernandez/Flores quality players, in the real world there are budgetary considerations and taking those into consideration Daniel isn't bad (unlike Diego or Toto).

So you're saying you'd rather just have an 11 player squad? And just not bother with squad players?

He was good in season one,he started in season one. 3 years on,our squad has improved,perhaps he has lost a bit of pace - he is a squad player.

Not everyone in a squad is an ifill who willstart every week.

Fact is Daniel has been handy when called upon,hasn't put a foot wrong,loves the club,and is now a local.

Any team needs squad players like him,including the roar and GCU.

Daniel comes on and does a job quite often - that pass through to Brown for the 4th goal against the Jets showed what kind of vision he still has. Worth holding on to.

also, you dont wanna be chopping out too many players in case the replacements are worse.

With Daniel, we know what we are getting and that needs to be a good thing. I would hate it if we dropped him and signed another toto or the likes in his place. Daniel will do a job and he will be kept so I dont think its much of a debate really