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Teza wrote:
Ok I have just watched the highlights and we weren't awful so I take that back,  but we should have done a lot better than we did. To many bad decisions on the ball, we need more speed out of the midfield and for goodness sake someone support poor Greenacre he was isolated on his own most of the game.
 
But in saying that we are coming together better than I originally thought and I think a couple more games will see a much better team (as long as we get our formation right).
 
Ifil is surely the best buy in the league so far this season.
 
As for the disallowed goal I had another look and neither the defender or Greenacre could have got anywhere near the ball so I don't believe it was offside and should have stood.
 
I reckon quite a few people might come to realise that after they see a replay. We certainly weren't awful and the team as a whole played with a lot of intensity, though perhaps lacking in direction for a large chunk of the 2nd half.
 
Also as Royal points out, being 8 games undefeated on your home ground is an excellent stat. How many other teams can boast of that achievement?
 
One other thing: I'm pretty sure that was Michael Hester's first A League match as referee. I thought he did a decent job overall.
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Sure we were'nt awful.  Great first half, tho failed to finish chances.  Dominating and highly entertaining. 

2nd half we were definately the second best team apart from the usual finishing spurt.

We weren't awful, but FFS surely our aspiration is better than that.  If people aren't at least a bit frustrated that we could not beat the second to bottom team with six players unavailable to them, including captain and one of their star attackers, then I'd suggest we've got the kiwi let's all be ordinary thing going on.

Top six or better - we need to be better, so some bricks being thrown on the forum is hardly surprising.  Anyone that was happy with that result and content with the very flat second half needs to remember it's competitive sport, Aussie style, not a Labour Party kindergarten.

But we're not far off being top four to six competitive.  One more marque midfielder (or some rapid improvement from Diego/Brown) would just about do it.
mjp22009-09-05 12:44:00
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Teza wrote:
I shortened your quote for brevities sake (hope you don't mind)
 
There are lies and then there are statistics (badly paraphrased I think), yes we had more shots but as you said only 4 were on target which is poor.18 shots on goal but only 4 on target with all that possession at least half should have been on target.
 
As you know possession in football is nothing if you don't use it and we did not use it well on most occasions. Our counter attacks were mostly slow and predictable, we left Greenacre isolated so many times up front, with some of the pace we had there should have been support all around him.
 
We have to use our assets better i.e. we have  pace down the flanks lets use it instead of tippy tappy passing amongst the midfielders. When we did use our pace to get to the byline often there were only 1 or 2 players in the box.
 
 
A lot of our passes went astray or were ineffective, when you see Ifil popping up at left back then you know theres something wrong.
 
Adelaide were poor tonight a shadow of their former selves and we should have buried them in the first half. We have a good team but didn't play well last night, especially in the 2nd half, Leo had a very average game by his standards, I had to ask someone if he was actually playing.
 
We seemed to lack direction going forward and the speed of our attack was poor, maybe it was to do with the formation (which was baffling for a home game).
 
 I don't know about you but for anyone to be happy with a draw at home in a game where we supposedly dominated then people don't have much ambition for the club. I expect us to beat teams at home, we do have the players to do that and there are some signs of things clicking but there is a lot to work on.
 
There just didn't seem to me to be any real spark or zip to our game, there were a few signs that things are coming together so I'll pull back from my 'we were awful' comments but I still think we played very averagely  based on the team we had on the park and the team we were playing.
 
I am happy with our purchases of Greenacre and Ifil though. Ifil especially looks likely to be one of the leagues best players this season  (in fact probably is already) and Greenacre works like a Trojan and has very good spatial awareness , goals will come for him if our midfield steps up.
 
But one thing I think we can all agree on was that the officials were poor tonight, forget about the disallowed goal that was a 50/50 call. But Ifil and Greenacre we getting bundled over everytime the went up for a ball, and there were some baffling calls from the linesman. The FFA has to do something about the quality of the refs and quickly because it is to the detriment of the league.
 
Finaly to the F***Knuckles who threw bottles I hope that you are caught and never allowed at a sporting event at the ROF again.
 
 
Pretty much agree with all of the above.
 
Lack of cutting edge, and isolating Greenacre = 2 of our major problems.
 
Inability to keep a clean sheet is also an issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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maybe its time for football to have a "third umpire" for close offside calls that affect the outcome of the game. That ref better be feeling reeallly bad for robbing us

Having said that had a great time and even my phoenix virgin friends had a blast.  Thanks Yellow Fever!

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Nothing wrong with the offside call. Don't really understand the angst here either.
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Aisle 24 report:  All in all. Allowing for the drunk idiot and Aisle Idol...    ( Who knew that so many could dance so WELL?? ) it was a GrEaT NiGhT!
WE, I am allowed  to use WE,  were well pleased with the effort of the team. Daniel and Chris may well have no legs left today.  
 
Should have / could have had it wrapped up before the disallowed goal. Hey, such is football!!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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Tegal wrote:
Haha its funny because you know when they dont show it that it was a bad decision
Anybody know where to look online for highlights n stuff? Went onto the sky website and they have no videos up since january...yet have the latest rugby games from the weekend. Cant seem to find any on youtube either
 
there are highlights on 101 great goals
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uiron wrote:
Spilt milk I know, but Ifill's "winner" was so convincing that even Sky showed the replay on the big screen at the ground. which, from the reaction, endorses FFA's decision not to show controversial decisions at stadiums. Well done Sky for a wee stuff up, this time to our benefit.


Sky have nothing to do with the screen at the stadium, the stadium does. The stadium just run sky pictures then slap up a logo when the replays are on

It looked like a goal when I saw it live, looked more like a goal when I saw the replays and now after the third time it's the most obvious goal in the world. The only problem was that the linesman, who didn't flag for a throw all night until the ref helped him, flagged for the offside as soon as he saw Greenie and before he saw the ball was about 20 metres away and falling for Ifill. He had no idea he wasn't in the play. There was no going back from there.


Royal2009-09-05 14:20:03
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el grapadura wrote:
Nothing wrong with the offside call. Don't really understand the angst here either.
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......if the offfical had WAITED a little longer he would not have flag for offside seeing the player was" NOT IN THE ACTIVE ZONE" . The decision was poor. All refs tell lino's to wait before flagging for offsides. This lino..... flag as soon as ball was played ..... only find the ball was no where near the offending play..... be interesting to see if he is on the next match at home
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Two points dropped in my humble opinion.
We played very well, and should have put them away in the first 30 mns. After that time, Adelaide slowly started to gain confidence.

As for the second goal for us - simply, it was a poor decision, but we have to take it on the chin and get on with the next game. No point in dwelling on what might have been

Still gutten though!
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Not meaning to stir the pot or anything but there was a couple times during the game we were screaming for handballs, has anyone seen a full replay to confirm whether there was anything to them?

Gutted we lost, but we were dead for most of the second half which gave Adelaide some breathing space.  Can't believe that low corner got past our defenders, should be able to stop those.
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ooh-ahh-green-acre!!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
WTF is going with his head?
Brain explosion?
Stefan2009-09-05 19:59:36
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Hmmm... Good look for the fever?

Stefan2009-09-05 20:01:21
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Nickel wrote:
Not meaning to stir the pot or anything but there was a couple times during the game we were screaming for handballs, has anyone seen a full replay to confirm whether there was anything to them?

Gutted we lost, but we were dead for most of the second half which gave Adelaide some breathing space.  Can't believe that low corner got past our defenders, should be able to stop those.
.....where was the goalkeeper..???????...ANSWER ...standing watching
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buzz122 wrote:
�Who were the f@*king�muppets who threw the bottles at the end of the game. FFS all that has happened is that the Fever are once again branded as bottle throwing holligans by the stadium and security.� If any one knows them, give them a good uppercut cos they aint done the Fever any favours at all.


Probably the muppets who were walking around with the balaclavas. The only reason to be wearing one of those to a football match, is to cause trouble.
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"forget about the disallowed goal that was a 50/50 call."
 
Ah no sorry,even after seeing on replay in a calm mood it looked exactly how it looked at the stadium,a terrible call with the linesman flagging too early,and the referee not overuling it. I seriously dont see how anyone could say otherwise except to be "special" and "different" and take the higher ground because you're taking a different opinion than the masses. Its funny how some people swing like that on this forum...I really think theyre just sh*t stirring for fun sometimes

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It was strange- that was the first decision the linesman made by himself without waiting for the ref, and it was wrong! Terrible performance from the linesmen. We played well and, as has been said, I view it as two points dropped. Adelaide were pretty bad and we had enough chances to win it. Ifill was brilliant. He played magnificently. But, all the complaining in the world won't change the decision so lets hope it all evens itself out over the course of the season, as the cliche goes. Onwards and upwards!
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el grapadura wrote:
Nothing wrong with the offside call. Don't really understand the angst here either.
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......if the offfical had WAITED a little longer he would not have flag for offside seeing the player was" NOT IN THE ACTIVE ZONE" . The decision was poor. All refs tell lino's to wait before flagging for offsides. This lino..... flag as soon as ball was played ..... only find the ball was no where near the offending play..... be interesting to see if he is on the next match at home


No. The moment Greenacre made a run towards the ball he became active and had to be flagged.
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I'll swim against the grain with El G on this one.

The ref has to go with the linesman on such a close call (that's why that's one of the linesman's role, I dare say). I haven't had the benefit of Sky analysis but the Utube clip I saw, suggests that Greenacre for the split second that the ball was passed was offside. Hence the split second call by the linesman is accurate.

The vitriol toward the ref on the night was justified (bar the missile of course) but in the cold light of the day, I'd say 'get over it'.
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The problem I have with the offside is the fact the flag was up immediately after the ball was put in front of Ifill. The linesman did not allow himself enough time to establish wheter Greenacre was actually active in the play or not. He just saw a player ahead of the line and put his flag out.
 
The human brain cannot work that quickly!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Bingo.  As a defender I hate the most recent interpretation of the active rule, as you feel you still have to mark the 'inactive' offside player and it takes you out of the game.  However, under the rule interpretation as it stands, Greenacre is definitely not 'active'.
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Off the field: Was anyone else "annoyed" by the number of DRUNKS about?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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YES!  We've been at games were there were a number of jolly people before, but generally they haven't been as tw@tish as Friday night.
 
I was somewhat annoyed - the next grade up from mildy, but still a few off from "engaging in discourse and advice regarding flexible body postions and proximity of cranial cavity and another cavity".
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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yea i noticed that, blame the fact its a friday night
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Hello guys i thought we were VERY lucky 2 get a point fri nite.I had a gr8 time in Wellington and the guys b4 and after the game at the backbencher were fantastic.We were made to feel welcomed well done guys and good luck for the rest of the year.  p.s the barbeque outside  was BLOODY NICE
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dairyflat wrote:
Off the field: Was anyone else "annoyed" by the number of DRUNKS about?
 
FFS nowhere near as bad as I seen it, that's including myself. I thought the crowd was great, Fever did well, particularly Capes and his mob, ( "The Giant Ranieri", etc), singing all match. The police nabbed the bottle throwers immediately, (yes Stefen mate I'd always name and shame bottle throwers).
ForteanTimes2009-09-06 16:44:39

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A fella I know reported having to move his 6 year old away from scrapping drunks in one of the aisles...not really a good look.
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UUU REDS wrote:
Hello guys i thought we were VERY lucky 2 get a point fri nite.I had a gr8 time in Wellington and the guys b4 and after the game at the backbencher were fantastic.We were made to feel welcomed well done guys and good luck for the rest of the year.� p.s the barbeque outside �was BLOODY NICE

This you?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yes thats me

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
does the council cut you hair?

Founder

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nah just the local hairdresser i only work for the council
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I didn't think the crowd was too 'unruly', I've certainly seen far worse. 

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There certainly a difference vibe on friday nights.  Think there tends to be a lot more non-supporters turning up and using the game to get drunk before heading off to town.
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here's another couple of Adelaide fans. They were very nice at the BB. Hope they enjoy the rest of their holiday here. It's great to see more fans making the trip over for our games.
 
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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2ndBest wrote:
There certainly a difference vibe on friday nights.  Think there tends to be a lot more non-supporters turning up and using the game to get drunk before heading off to town.
 
Yeah, I'm not saying there was any overly untoward unruly-ness (hence my "somewhat annoyed" status).  But it is "the vibe, you know, the vibe" (a la The Castle).  It was distracting from the game.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Lonegunmen wrote:
here's another couple of Adelaide fans. They were very nice at the BB. Hope they enjoy the rest of their holiday here. It's great to see more fans making the trip over for our games.
 
 
These two pics must have got most of the supporters - saw them in the distance over by the Family Zone - couldn't have been more than 10 (but good on them for trekking over the deetch)
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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dairyflat wrote:
Off the field: Was anyone else "annoyed" by the number of DRUNKS about?
Not by the drunks but by some of the other clowns who seem to have found the zone.The constant shout of shoot it the minute one of our guys gets within about 40 metres of goal gets FKN annoying.Chanting might be good in some areas of the zone but in others its allover the place.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Thats as good as the camera would go from the fever zone.
I had a chat before the game and at half time.
Bring more next time and Im sure a fever v. cakes game could be arranged.
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Hmmm, interesting photo. I seem to recall last season some outrage on the forum about banners being banned at the stadium.
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