What's really wrong with the Wellington Phoenix?

That makes no sense, in the 14-15 season the Pheonix were the best team in the competition for large stretches of it and really should have won the whole thing and even when the wheels fell off they were still a top 4 team. That was under Merrick.

The second half of last season the Phoenix were also a top four team, if Des and Greenacre were in charge from the start of the season and the team had the same form that they did throughout their stint at the top then they would have been top four.

I think 2007 forum me would kick my butt

simply put we have often had the capability to be a top four team, however we have consistently failed to meet expectations.

Melbourne City and us are the only teams that have not won anything or finished runner up.

That in itself tells me something. I don't support City so I don'r care, but we have had 10 years.

Better not complain too much I guess, the Warriors have not been that great either.

I wonder if the Phoenix still have a better record than the Warriors, I know they did last season but it was close, both teams have obviously been horrid this year.

Once again, the comment was that the Phoenix can't be a top four team which is blatantly wrong. And looking at momentum coming into this year is something worthwhile.

The reason Ernie left was he'd lost the changing room, simple as that.

I  could care less about the Warriors. I am a football fan.

Please explain why you're saying that.  My own thoughts were that Ernie simply realised he could not get us into top six and we played like rubbish. He accepted the blame for that (unlike Darije this season) and left graciously. 

The uncharitable view I also have is that Ernie needed a ticket back to A-League after years in the wilderness.

The team got pretty close to getting top six without him. One of the complaints that repeatedly came out of the camp during that season before Ernie left was that the team was not following his game plan, that shows me they'd lost faith in it. Ernie himself said when he was leaving that he didn't think he could turn the team around and this was the best thing he could do for them.

With your all round superior knowledge of all things from politics, climate change and of course football why don't you put yourself forward as CEO of the Nix. You could then have a say on who we select as coach and then proceed to tell the coach who we should or should not buy.

Thanks for the endorsement, I'll definitely add you as a referee.

Nah, keep Leggy out of refereeing - I'd rather have Sarah Jones instead, thank you very much.

Good skills and takes no nonsense.

Nah, keep Leggy out of refereeing - I'd rather have Sarah Jones instead, thank you very much.

Good skills and takes no nonsense.

The charge up the table when Des and Greenie were at the helm took us to 7th place, 6 points and a Goal difference of 5 outside the top 6. In other words a country mile

Their First win in charge, a crushing 3 nil Home win win over that Powerhouse Central Coast, moved us from 10th to 8th place. The 17 remaining games the moved us from 8th to 7th.

The Games they were in charge, they had a notable wins against the Victory 3 nil (twice) and stuck 5 past the hapless Jest. The only other win we had against a top six side under them was a 2-1 win against the Roar.  During their tenure, we also suffered a 1-5 loss at home to City. This game was so bad Patrick and Dave have now dedicated a podcast to it and for some really bad sin they have committed they are subjecting themselves to watching it every week. We also lost 4-3 to the Roar, giving away a 3-1 lead.

So this romanticised rubbish that they lead a charge up the table and were unlucky to just miss out on the top 6 is rubbish really. We played some okay football at times but we also delivered up some absolute dross, scoring 34 and conceding 32. The fact is they lead us to a position where we probably should have been in the table, no more no less. Some good results some bad results nothing more.

We were a side that promised to be ok, proved to be unbalanced and finished where on balance we deserved to finish.

The charge up the table when Des and Greenie were at the helm took us to 7th place, 6 points and a Goal difference of 5 outside the top 6. In other words a country mile

Their First win in charge, a crushing 3 nil Home win win over that Powerhouse Central Coast, moved us from 10th to 8th place. The 17 remaining games the moved us from 8th to 7th.

The Games they were in charge, they had a notable wins against the Victory 3 nil (twice) and stuck 5 past the hapless Jest. The only other win we had against a top six side under them was a 2-1 win against the Roar.  During their tenure, we also suffered a 1-5 loss at home to City. This game was so bad Patrick and Dave have now dedicated a podcast to it and for some really bad sin they have committed they are subjecting themselves to watching it every week. We also lost 4-3 to the Roar, giving away a 3-1 lead.

So this romanticised rubbish that they lead a charge up the table and were unlucky to just miss out on the top 6 is rubbish really. We played some okay football at times but we also delivered up some absolute dross, scoring 34 and conceding 32. The fact is they lead us to a position where we probably should have been in the table, no more no less. Some good results some bad results nothing more.

We were a side that promised to be ok, proved to be unbalanced and finished where on balance we deserved to finish.

The charge up the table when Des and Greenie were at the helm took us to 7th place, 6 points and a Goal difference of 5 outside the top 6. In other words a country mile

Their First win in charge, a crushing 3 nil Home win win over that Powerhouse Central Coast, moved us from 10th to 8th place. The 17 remaining games the moved us from 8th to 7th.

The Games they were in charge, they had a notable wins against the Victory 3 nil (twice) and stuck 5 past the hapless Jest. The only other win we had against a top six side under them was a 2-1 win against the Roar.  During their tenure, we also suffered a 1-5 loss at home to City. This game was so bad Patrick and Dave have now dedicated a podcast to it and for some really bad sin they have committed they are subjecting themselves to watching it every week. We also lost 4-3 to the Roar, giving away a 3-1 lead.

So this romanticised rubbish that they lead a charge up the table and were unlucky to just miss out on the top 6 is rubbish really. We played some okay football at times but we also delivered up some absolute dross, scoring 34 and conceding 32. The fact is they lead us to a position where we probably should have been in the table, no more no less. Some good results some bad results nothing more.

We were a side that promised to be ok, proved to be unbalanced and finished where on balance we deserved to finish.

In 11 seasons (including the current one) the Nix have finished with a positive goal difference 3 times - so the 34/32 record is actually pretty good for the team. The only real 'absolute dross' was the 1 - 5 home defeat, though the away game vs Sydney wasn't great either. The team actually played some good football for large periods in the other defeats which is more than we can say for most other games where the Nix barely turn up. Also 'okay football at times' ? Those two 3 - 0 wins against the Victory were fudgeing fantastic games.

The whole thing is that Football is not a mathematical equation.

The fact of the matter despite playing really well at times, they could not win games that really counted, in particular the ones that were definitely winnable, (draws against the Jets, Adelaide (x2) WSW and two losses against WSW)

When in a tight race like that you have to win matches against teams below and around you.  They did well picking off games against those from time to time, but as has always been our achillies heel , it is often beating the teams around us and those we should beat.

Anyway, all history know and Greenie gets another crack at pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

Anyway, all history know and Greenie gets another crack at pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

Meanwhile Muppet management has already signaled another loser candidate(Vidmar) to replace lord Greenacre. So about this time next year disaster Vidmar will get sacked and Greenacre will be bought in  for the last few games

Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat

Until there is a major management cleanout at the Nix....especially the CEO, then we are doomed in this plummeting spiral.

If Welnix have no plans for a management cleanout then how about, at the very least getting a top level football management consultant in to review the club......Tony Pignata has left Sydney FC....he would be excellent. Things have to change

Whats that old saying about the definition of stupidity or insanity????  something about repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

This will be the third time that a coach has left in the playing season and the third time that Greenacre gets parachuted in. No doubt the players will pull their collective fingers out of their collective dark recesses and we will see a bounce in performance( prob beating a top team and then getting heavily thrashed by another minnow) Fans will call for lord Greenacre to be given the top job.

Meanwhile Muppet management has already signaled another loser candidate(Vidmar) to replace lord Greenacre. So about this time next year disaster Vidmar will get sacked and Greenacre will be bought in  for the last few games

Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat

Until there is a major management cleanout at the Nix....especially the CEO, then we are doomed in this plummeting spiral.

If Welnix have no plans for a management cleanout then how about, at the very least getting a top level football management consultant in to review the club......Tony Pignata has left Sydney FC....he would be excellent. Things have to change

Nah, keep Leggy out of refereeing - I'd rather have Sarah Jones instead, thank you very much.

Good skills and takes no nonsense.

Not even if you paid me to read it.

Anendra's take on the Nix