Wellington Phoenix Men

WPM R20 vs Auckland | Sat 22nd Feb | 5pm | FeverTua to Mt Smart

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about 1 year ago
I heard an interesting little story about the game last night. I'm in Dunedin, talking to a pub worker about last night. My friend asked if the pub was heaving last night after the rugby (Highlanders beating Auckland). The worker said yes it was but the crowd watching the football before it was so loud there were complaints and she had to try and quieten everyone down. She said "It was the Wellington Phoenix and that Auckland team. What's its name?"
I said, "Just Auckland."
"Oh, OK"

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

about 1 year ago
Bugger off then
Nommag
With the Italiano extension news I'm pretty demoralised. I support the nix and have my whole adult life, I live in Hamilton and so don't get the benefit of live games or the footballing culture from the matchday experience. There is an expectation that I should stay loyal and I want to. But the club coming out and supporting a manager who has never played a good brand of football, often using emotional blackmail to justify mediocrity and then also admitting that success isn't the clubs goal, just promoting youth to sell.

It's a tough slog, the Auckland result was a bitter pill to swallow. I now have a club just up the road who wants to win everything and has made good on their pledges. They took massive punts on a lot of nix rejects, players under performing in poor euro leagues and players from the national league and they got it right. The nix had access to all of these players and never used any of them. None of them were out of reach. It's not like Auckland showed up day one with Juan Mata. 

I don't know what to think any more. But I start to think why should I stay loyal to the nix when they are not loyal to the fans. I'm sure the melancholy will fade in the coming weeks.
about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago · History
Oi Oi Edgecumbe
I heard an interesting little story about the game last night. I'm in Dunedin, talking to a pub worker about last night. My friend asked if the pub was heaving last night after the rugby (Highlanders beating Auckland). The worker said yes it was but the crowd watching the football before it was so loud there were complaints and she had to try and quieten everyone down. She said "It was the Wellington Phoenix and that Auckland team. What's its name?"
I said, "Just Auckland."
"Oh, OK"

Shows how far the sport has come, if that’s happening in rugby centric Dunners. Bring in a 3rd NZ team from the Sth Island, they can call their own.

Also maybe you could share the name of the pub with the young guy on here who’s just moved to study at Otago Uni, and struggling to find fellow Nix fans for viewing games


about 1 year ago
Eureka
theprof
FU BLU
Obviously I'm not being clear ...try this ...and think ... Successful A-League Men clubs gain qualification into the Asian continental club competitions, the AFC Champions League Elite and the AFC Champions League Two.
Monto
FU BLU proving the point that we're a bunch of losers.

Blud can't even see the point in winning the league.

Pathetic attitude really.
 

You're forgetting one tiny thing, the Nix and AFC are not eligable to enter AFC Champions league!
about 1 year ago
coochiee
Oi Oi Edgecumbe
I heard an interesting little story about the game last night. I'm in Dunedin, talking to a pub worker about last night. My friend asked if the pub was heaving last night after the rugby (Highlanders beating Auckland). The worker said yes it was but the crowd watching the football before it was so loud there were complaints and she had to try and quieten everyone down. She said "It was the Wellington Phoenix and that Auckland team. What's its name?"
I said, "Just Auckland."
"Oh, OK"

Shows how far the sport has come, if that’s happening in rugby centric Dunners. Bring in a 3rd NZ team from the Sth Island, they can call their own.

Also maybe you could share the name of the pub with the young guy on here who’s just moved to study at Otago Uni, and struggling to find fellow Nix fans for viewing games



I heavily second that last part
about 1 year ago
martinb
Nixieboys222
Brother lighten up, the bus thing was bloody harmless and fair play. You want an atmosphere in football that in unique in NZ sports landscape? There you have it. It didn’t get violent, no one was harmed, lets not make it bigger then what it should be, and not sure what their socio economic status got to do with anything? Some of your posts lately have been rather odd my dude.
martinb
mykey
LT01
mykey
Back home now. How hard is it to have an away zone for away fans? 
The clubs really need to work together to make it an enjoyable experience for everyone.

AFC fans are bloody arrogant 17 games into their existence. Can’t wait for the tide to turn
Not to mention the location... should be AL regulation that the away bay must be pitchside. Know some people going over who are quite disappointed when I've shown them this.
 
 

Yeah agree. We couldn’t be any further away. Was shocking. 

They call it ‘sharkhousery’ or something they read about in ‘’Football Rivalries for Dummies’. Same with this crap with the bus today, for which I hope they get points docked. Never heard of BS like it in the A league from a hosting club. Stalking Doloras online. I say boycott them next time. They don’t need the money. And we need to remember their BS in the future. I hope some of the travelers have had a good time with their fans and their hospitality, cos the overall impression is Corica, McFlynn and pals. IE pack of wankers.

I watch the away fans here in Japan. They’re always at opposite ends. Always in the same place. Almost always sold out in our small stadium. I’ve never once seen problems with fans and the players can come right over and sign autographs and shake hands with the away fans. Though they’ll usually just line up and say thank you and someone will give a speech. And then all the fans will troop out and pick up the last available bottles of the local beer from the beer tent as a souvenir or to drink on the train home. 

I mean either they’re a club in a rough area and their fans are equally rough or they’re an upper middle class one with cash and well heeled fans to boot. But being a blinged up club with a bunch of incels playing at Football Factory is just BS. Rufer might be down playing it, but the club and the league shouldn’t. Especially with the way the league treated Melbourne and WSW.

Comparing to West Ham fans, for example. Dunno if you’ve heard about what happens when they get grumpy. And yeh I know New Zealanders are not allowed to talk about class, but football and its traditions in the UK are working class.  Sorry, socio-economically disadvantaged. And blockading buses is usually something that happens in the context of ultras and fan violence. What are you saying, this was a fun pantomime tribute to ultras and fan violence? Done by much better non-violent people, who were just mimicking violent fans for a laugh, but it was totally funny?

Nah, complete BS. The club is hosting. Hosting means looking after fans and players, not stopping them and lighting flares. A unique experience doesn’t mean playing at being West Ham super light. Same goes for their BS stunt with a pitch invader in an Auckland shirt last season. 

Italiano said they were delayed getting in by 10 or fifteen minutes. That’s simple BS. AFC should be fined at a minimum. Probably docked points and have that suspended. That’s canary stuff. It didn’t get violent, as far as we know, but it’s not at all cool. 

Get an away bay pitch side. Look after your guests. Don’t have weak security which lets your guests be delayed and hindered by your fans. 

It’s never something the Fever have done or considered doing. It’s nothing the Nix have experienced elsewhere in 18 years. My posts are odd? I’m not a fan who thought to show how much I like football by blockading the opposition bus. Banter. Lols.
Bus was only delayed a couple of minutes. He was looking for excuses. Auckland traffic would have delayed them more than this.
about 1 year ago
The pub was the Law Courts

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

about 1 year ago
van Alberto
martinb
Nixieboys222
Brother lighten up, the bus thing was bloody harmless and fair play. You want an atmosphere in football that in unique in NZ sports landscape? There you have it. It didn’t get violent, no one was harmed, lets not make it bigger then what it should be, and not sure what their socio economic status got to do with anything? Some of your posts lately have been rather odd my dude.
martinb
mykey
LT01
mykey
Back home now. How hard is it to have an away zone for away fans? 
The clubs really need to work together to make it an enjoyable experience for everyone.

AFC fans are bloody arrogant 17 games into their existence. Can’t wait for the tide to turn
Not to mention the location... should be AL regulation that the away bay must be pitchside. Know some people going over who are quite disappointed when I've shown them this.
 
 

Yeah agree. We couldn’t be any further away. Was shocking. 

They call it ‘sharkhousery’ or something they read about in ‘’Football Rivalries for Dummies’. Same with this crap with the bus today, for which I hope they get points docked. Never heard of BS like it in the A league from a hosting club. Stalking Doloras online. I say boycott them next time. They don’t need the money. And we need to remember their BS in the future. I hope some of the travelers have had a good time with their fans and their hospitality, cos the overall impression is Corica, McFlynn and pals. IE pack of wankers.

I watch the away fans here in Japan. They’re always at opposite ends. Always in the same place. Almost always sold out in our small stadium. I’ve never once seen problems with fans and the players can come right over and sign autographs and shake hands with the away fans. Though they’ll usually just line up and say thank you and someone will give a speech. And then all the fans will troop out and pick up the last available bottles of the local beer from the beer tent as a souvenir or to drink on the train home. 

I mean either they’re a club in a rough area and their fans are equally rough or they’re an upper middle class one with cash and well heeled fans to boot. But being a blinged up club with a bunch of incels playing at Football Factory is just BS. Rufer might be down playing it, but the club and the league shouldn’t. Especially with the way the league treated Melbourne and WSW.

Comparing to West Ham fans, for example. Dunno if you’ve heard about what happens when they get grumpy. And yeh I know New Zealanders are not allowed to talk about class, but football and its traditions in the UK are working class.  Sorry, socio-economically disadvantaged. And blockading buses is usually something that happens in the context of ultras and fan violence. What are you saying, this was a fun pantomime tribute to ultras and fan violence? Done by much better non-violent people, who were just mimicking violent fans for a laugh, but it was totally funny?

Nah, complete BS. The club is hosting. Hosting means looking after fans and players, not stopping them and lighting flares. A unique experience doesn’t mean playing at being West Ham super light. Same goes for their BS stunt with a pitch invader in an Auckland shirt last season. 

Italiano said they were delayed getting in by 10 or fifteen minutes. That’s simple BS. AFC should be fined at a minimum. Probably docked points and have that suspended. That’s canary stuff. It didn’t get violent, as far as we know, but it’s not at all cool. 

Get an away bay pitch side. Look after your guests. Don’t have weak security which lets your guests be delayed and hindered by your fans. 

It’s never something the Fever have done or considered doing. It’s nothing the Nix have experienced elsewhere in 18 years. My posts are odd? I’m not a fan who thought to show how much I like football by blockading the opposition bus. Banter. Lols.
Bus was only delayed a couple of minutes. He was looking for excuses. Auckland traffic would have delayed them more than this.

Still a dick move. Oh it was only a small dick move? That’s okay then, sure.


about 1 year ago
Oh, I just noticed my name referenced in the above post. Well, the stalking creep wasn't an anti-Nix thing, it was an anti-socialist thing; dude happened to be anti-Nix as well but he was after me because I was involved with a group of AFC fans who just happened to be Lefties and that drove him nuts. And again I haven't seen any indication that that garbage was approved of by or even known to The Port. We've never copped any flak IRL.

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about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago · History
Where in relation to the port do you guys sit and what type of flags do you have to identify your group?

Sat for the first time in the port section in the weekend. Admittedly at the front but enjoyed it and was fairly tame. Must admit it was difficult to understand the chants (maybe with no roof it was tricky) so they still need a bit of work or maybe kiwis just mumble 😂

Auckland will rise once more

about 1 year ago

Asked for an update on where things stood from the club’s point of view, Dome said: “There certainly are conversations happening. There's nothing signed as yet"

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360591291/wellington-phoenix-boss-backs-coach-after-big-derby-defeat-and-vows-well-come-back
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago · History
AucklandPhoenix
Where in relation to the port do you guys sit and what type of flags do you have to identify your group?

Sat for the first time in the port section in the weekend. Admittedly at the front but enjoyed it and was fairly tame. Must admit it was difficult to understand the chants (maybe with no roof it was tricky) so they still need a bit of work or maybe kiwis just mumble 😂
We sit in Bay 25, at the "far Left" of the South Stand lol. At least we usually do. We arrived late to the derby, the front row was packed and so we ended up actually standing in front of the South Stand. We did have a big banner but we became a meme because someone's brother got the design wrong and spelled it "anti-facist" so we're waiting on a new one

Seriously, the project isn't as successful as we hoped precisely because dozens of Leftie football fans are saying "that's a great idea!... for someone else to do, I want to sit quietly with my friends elsewhere". But hopefully we live and learn. We've probably sold 3 times as many of our shirts as there are people who regularly attend with us, and we often see them elsewhere in the crowd on Saturdays.

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about 1 year ago
I don't think its really a case of 'sit quietly with friends elsewhere' - its more that being in the Port is currently the most fun, with well put together chants, good seats, and also - most season members have bought seats there.

I think as the Port head honchos continue to expose themselves to be fudgewits, there will be more of an appetite for a second fan group. 
about 1 year ago
pickledmyself
I don't think its really a case of 'sit quietly with friends elsewhere' - its more that being in the Port is currently the most fun, with well put together chants, good seats, and also - most season members have bought seats there.

I think as the Port head honchos continue to expose themselves to be fudgewits, there will be more of an appetite for a second fan group. 
Well, the entire South Stand is general admission, so you can sit anywhere, and that includes with us. I'm specifically referencing a few people we know in the "sit quietly with friends" comments, not talking about fans in general.

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about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago · History
David dome “I know it's hard for the fans, but we'll come back. We always come back. We've had losses before that we’ve come back from and I back the team and I back Chief to build on this.
“There's still enough points, there's still enough games in the regular season, to make the finals, and that's what as a club we’re going to focus on.”

Again, he misses the point at the fan frustration. I’m sure nix will win a few more wins this season, but people are frustrated about losing 3 times to a new rival, playing a style of game that is coma inducing and general malaise around the club.. I’m not sire scrapping a win against Brisbane roar or Perth glory will help with th fan frustration.. and he’s deluded if he thinks we’re making finals, if we do, it shows you that a 6 team finals series is a bit of a joke when a team who have scored 17 goals all season finish in the top half.. sorry Domey, we will bounce back means not much now.
about 1 year ago
martinb
van Alberto
martinb
Nixieboys222
Brother lighten up, the bus thing was bloody harmless and fair play. You want an atmosphere in football that in unique in NZ sports landscape? There you have it. It didn’t get violent, no one was harmed, lets not make it bigger then what it should be, and not sure what their socio economic status got to do with anything? Some of your posts lately have been rather odd my dude.
martinb
mykey
LT01
mykey
Back home now. How hard is it to have an away zone for away fans? 
The clubs really need to work together to make it an enjoyable experience for everyone.

AFC fans are bloody arrogant 17 games into their existence. Can’t wait for the tide to turn
Not to mention the location... should be AL regulation that the away bay must be pitchside. Know some people going over who are quite disappointed when I've shown them this.
 
 

Yeah agree. We couldn’t be any further away. Was shocking. 

They call it ‘sharkhousery’ or something they read about in ‘’Football Rivalries for Dummies’. Same with this crap with the bus today, for which I hope they get points docked. Never heard of BS like it in the A league from a hosting club. Stalking Doloras online. I say boycott them next time. They don’t need the money. And we need to remember their BS in the future. I hope some of the travelers have had a good time with their fans and their hospitality, cos the overall impression is Corica, McFlynn and pals. IE pack of wankers.

I watch the away fans here in Japan. They’re always at opposite ends. Always in the same place. Almost always sold out in our small stadium. I’ve never once seen problems with fans and the players can come right over and sign autographs and shake hands with the away fans. Though they’ll usually just line up and say thank you and someone will give a speech. And then all the fans will troop out and pick up the last available bottles of the local beer from the beer tent as a souvenir or to drink on the train home. 

I mean either they’re a club in a rough area and their fans are equally rough or they’re an upper middle class one with cash and well heeled fans to boot. But being a blinged up club with a bunch of incels playing at Football Factory is just BS. Rufer might be down playing it, but the club and the league shouldn’t. Especially with the way the league treated Melbourne and WSW.

Comparing to West Ham fans, for example. Dunno if you’ve heard about what happens when they get grumpy. And yeh I know New Zealanders are not allowed to talk about class, but football and its traditions in the UK are working class.  Sorry, socio-economically disadvantaged. And blockading buses is usually something that happens in the context of ultras and fan violence. What are you saying, this was a fun pantomime tribute to ultras and fan violence? Done by much better non-violent people, who were just mimicking violent fans for a laugh, but it was totally funny?

Nah, complete BS. The club is hosting. Hosting means looking after fans and players, not stopping them and lighting flares. A unique experience doesn’t mean playing at being West Ham super light. Same goes for their BS stunt with a pitch invader in an Auckland shirt last season. 

Italiano said they were delayed getting in by 10 or fifteen minutes. That’s simple BS. AFC should be fined at a minimum. Probably docked points and have that suspended. That’s canary stuff. It didn’t get violent, as far as we know, but it’s not at all cool. 

Get an away bay pitch side. Look after your guests. Don’t have weak security which lets your guests be delayed and hindered by your fans. 

It’s never something the Fever have done or considered doing. It’s nothing the Nix have experienced elsewhere in 18 years. My posts are odd? I’m not a fan who thought to show how much I like football by blockading the opposition bus. Banter. Lols.
Bus was only delayed a couple of minutes. He was looking for excuses. Auckland traffic would have delayed them more than this.

Still a dick move. Oh it was only a small dick move? That’s okay then, sure.
The bus drove into the march. The march that goes at the same time and same route every home game. The fault here is security and a badly planned route from the bus company. 
about 1 year ago
You'd forgive the bus company for not being aware of the march, it has only occurred 8/9 times. The Nix have played more times in Auckland than AFC have.

Queenslander 3x a year.

about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago · History
The game was disappointing to me as a Nix fan. However, all Kudos to A-FC for putting in an extra effort - I am sure they are extra motivated in a NZ derby and that is exactly how it should be. We probably did too, within our limited abilities on the day.
If you take AF-C out of the equation, where would the Nix be on the table?  Probably still near the bottom, because of the player loss / player recruitment / player availability issues we have discussed many times on this forum, already. 
However, most ALM clubs are also in a financially limited situation due to the cut in funding.  Some have sold their attractive players and focused on new youth development. But this is where A-FC are in a different space than all other clubs, they are on a different part of the curve. They are a new club. They have recruited a whole bunch of adult players as foundation players and have a lower reliance on youngsters.  
I may have forgotten the details, but IIRC there is some sort of dispensation from the salary cap constraints if you are a new club. Others may comment here. If correct, this allows A-FC to be a bit of an outlier.  They can still lose games (the 0:3 pasting at home to WU was uncharacteristic) but should deservedly win the premiers' plate this season.  There is a lot they do well, on-field and off-field; and a lot of those things remind me of Sydney FC about 10-15 years ago.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

about 1 year ago
Mainland FC
The game was disappointing to me as a Nix fan. However, all Kudos to A-FC for putting in an extra effort - I am sure they are extra motivated in a NZ derby and that is exactly how it should be.
Most ALM clubs are in a financially limited situation due to a cut in funding.  Some have sold promising players and focused on development. This is where A-FC are in a different space than all other clubs: they have recruited a whole bunch of adult players and have a lower reliance on youngsters.  
I may have forgotten the details, but IIRC there is some sort of dispensation from the salary cap constraints if you are a new club. Others may comment here. If correct, this allows A-FC to be a bit of an outlier.  They can still lose games (the 0:3 pasting at home to WU was uncharacteristic) but should deservedly win the premiers' plate this season.  There is a lot they do well, on-field and off-field; and a lot of those things remind me of Sydney FC about 10-15 years ago.
Yeah I would be interested to know what exactly the salary cap exemptions are that they have, but whatever they are, I've been told they last for the first 3 seasons.

(Also the Western United result was 0-4 rather than 0-3)
about 1 year ago
Half a Pint
Mainland FC
The game was disappointing to me as a Nix fan. However, all Kudos to A-FC for putting in an extra effort - I am sure they are extra motivated in a NZ derby and that is exactly how it should be.
Most ALM clubs are in a financially limited situation due to a cut in funding.  Some have sold promising players and focused on development. This is where A-FC are in a different space than all other clubs: they have recruited a whole bunch of adult players and have a lower reliance on youngsters.  
I may have forgotten the details, but IIRC there is some sort of dispensation from the salary cap constraints if you are a new club. Others may comment here. If correct, this allows A-FC to be a bit of an outlier.  They can still lose games (the 0:3 pasting at home to WU was uncharacteristic) but should deservedly win the premiers' plate this season.  There is a lot they do well, on-field and off-field; and a lot of those things remind me of Sydney FC about 10-15 years ago.
Yeah I would be interested to know what exactly the salary cap exemptions are that they have, but whatever they are, I've been told they last for the first 3 seasons.

(Also the Western United result was 0-4 rather than 0-3)

Yes it was 0:4, an uncharacteristic slip up, which did nothing to dampen the enthusiasm of their followers.  Do not recall AKL people yelling "Corica out".

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago · History
I mean okay if that’s the case on the bus thing. I’ll stop the massive quoting.
The reporting was that the fans had deliberately stopped the bus with a flare. The phone cam footage seemed to show fans walking onto the road to stop the bus. 

I think a lot of what the Port do is top notch. They’re loud, they’re right in behind the team. Great. 

My issue is that there had been a few guys trying to ramp up the derby by mimicking overseas behaviour in a particularly inauthentic way. This includes some of the club’s funny stunts, particularly the guy who ran on the field last season. 

The complaint about the poor hospitality shown the away fans by the club is a genuine one. 

In that context, it’s not a good look, but glad to hear if it was just bad timing more than something dumb.

Haven’t had a chance to get to a derby yet so can’t really remember the ground layout. Hoping the Nix make it more of a game when I do get an opportunity. 


about 1 year ago
I'll ask again because I may have missed an answer. We could see the stewards leading someone out of the YF zone halfway through the second half. Was that some dumb local trying to start biff?

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about 1 year ago
Doloras
I'll ask again because I may have missed an answer. We could see the stewards leading someone out of the YF zone halfway through the second half. Was that some dumb local trying to start biff?
Don't know about timing, but there was a few times Auckland fans sitting in the YF zone were taken away by security. Happened during both halves actually. 

From what I heard from others around me, security were letting home fans stay in the away zone unless they started something, then they would be removed.
about 1 year ago
theprof
You'd forgive the bus company for not being aware of the march, it has only occurred 8/9 times. The Nix have played more times in Auckland than AFC have.

I'd say that this was a police / AFCBK problem. Not the bus company, who have probably driven the same route regardless of who is playing there. If there was a march, AFCBK should have made that known to security and the bus company. I'd imagine it was a convenient inconvenience. Petty.
about 1 year ago
This is about as tin eared as it gets.  Total humiliation as a Phoenix fan and we get this garbage about still making the 6.  This result needs to be a wake up call but clearly that's not happening...
Nixieboys222
David dome “I know it's hard for the fans, but we'll come back. We always come back. We've had losses before that we’ve come back from and I back the team and I back Chief to build on this.
“There's still enough points, there's still enough games in the regular season, to make the finals, and that's what as a club we’re going to focus on.”

Again, he misses the point at the fan frustration. I’m sure nix will win a few more wins this season, but people are frustrated about losing 3 times to a new rival, playing a style of game that is coma inducing and general malaise around the club.. I’m not sire scrapping a win against Brisbane roar or Perth glory will help with th fan frustration.. and he’s deluded if he thinks we’re making finals, if we do, it shows you that a 6 team finals series is a bit of a joke when a team who have scored 17 goals all season finish in the top half.. sorry Domey, we will bounce back means not much now.

Normo's coming home

about 1 year ago
james dean
This is about as tin eared as it gets.  Total humiliation as a Phoenix fan and we get this garbage about still making the 6.  This result needs to be a wake up call but clearly that's not happening...
Nixieboys222
David dome “I know it's hard for the fans, but we'll come back. We always come back. We've had losses before that we’ve come back from and I back the team and I back Chief to build on this.
“There's still enough points, there's still enough games in the regular season, to make the finals, and that's what as a club we’re going to focus on.”

Again, he misses the point at the fan frustration. I’m sure nix will win a few more wins this season, but people are frustrated about losing 3 times to a new rival, playing a style of game that is coma inducing and general malaise around the club.. I’m not sire scrapping a win against Brisbane roar or Perth glory will help with th fan frustration.. and he’s deluded if he thinks we’re making finals, if we do, it shows you that a 6 team finals series is a bit of a joke when a team who have scored 17 goals all season finish in the top half.. sorry Domey, we will bounce back means not much now.

Perhaps, but what is he supposed to say? If he comes out and slams the team and coach for being useless or not performing as expected he'll get slammed for being harsh and hurting morale. If he says something like "lets flush it and move on for next season" he gets bashed for being blaze and writing off his team when there's still a chance.

Pretty tough to say anything that's not gonna get picked apart when your team got smashed. 

I just want him to acknowledge the pain we as fans have suffered which I think he has and at least make some indications that the club/team are still fighting for whatever slim chance there is for a finals bid.

Queenslander 3x a year.

about 1 year ago
Mainland FC
Half a Pint
Mainland FC
The game was disappointing to me as a Nix fan. However, all Kudos to A-FC for putting in an extra effort - I am sure they are extra motivated in a NZ derby and that is exactly how it should be.
Most ALM clubs are in a financially limited situation due to a cut in funding.  Some have sold promising players and focused on development. This is where A-FC are in a different space than all other clubs: they have recruited a whole bunch of adult players and have a lower reliance on youngsters.  
I may have forgotten the details, but IIRC there is some sort of dispensation from the salary cap constraints if you are a new club. Others may comment here. If correct, this allows A-FC to be a bit of an outlier.  They can still lose games (the 0:3 pasting at home to WU was uncharacteristic) but should deservedly win the premiers' plate this season.  There is a lot they do well, on-field and off-field; and a lot of those things remind me of Sydney FC about 10-15 years ago.
Yeah I would be interested to know what exactly the salary cap exemptions are that they have, but whatever they are, I've been told they last for the first 3 seasons.

(Also the Western United result was 0-4 rather than 0-3)

Yes it was 0:4, an uncharacteristic slip up, which did nothing to dampen the enthusiasm of their followers.  Do not recall AKL people yelling "Corica out".
They weren't yelling Corica out because that game was the exception not the rule. That was the only time they've played like crap this whole season, we have played like crap in about 5 games in 2025 alone. 
about 1 year ago
LT01
Mainland FC
Half a Pint
Mainland FC
The game was disappointing to me as a Nix fan. However, all Kudos to A-FC for putting in an extra effort - I am sure they are extra motivated in a NZ derby and that is exactly how it should be.
Most ALM clubs are in a financially limited situation due to a cut in funding.  Some have sold promising players and focused on development. This is where A-FC are in a different space than all other clubs: they have recruited a whole bunch of adult players and have a lower reliance on youngsters.  
I may have forgotten the details, but IIRC there is some sort of dispensation from the salary cap constraints if you are a new club. Others may comment here. If correct, this allows A-FC to be a bit of an outlier.  They can still lose games (the 0:3 pasting at home to WU was uncharacteristic) but should deservedly win the premiers' plate this season.  There is a lot they do well, on-field and off-field; and a lot of those things remind me of Sydney FC about 10-15 years ago.
Yeah I would be interested to know what exactly the salary cap exemptions are that they have, but whatever they are, I've been told they last for the first 3 seasons.

(Also the Western United result was 0-4 rather than 0-3)

Yes it was 0:4, an uncharacteristic slip up, which did nothing to dampen the enthusiasm of their followers.  Do not recall AKL people yelling "Corica out".
They weren't yelling Corica out because that game was the exception not the rule. That was the only time they've played like crap this whole season, we have played like crap in about 5 games in 2025 alone. 

Can you imagine how hilarious it would be if their fans were asking for the coach's head after one loss.

Queenslander 3x a year.

about 1 year ago
No way is Chief not offered an extension, he over performed last year and is under performing this year (maybe), the Mgmt and ownership are conservative as hell, so they won't be ditching him for someone else.

I went to the game (flew up from Ch-Ch for it), met at pub, took the train, walked to the game, etc. Was brilliantly done, Siggy sat on the train with us, joining in too.

I couldn't hear the Port at all from where we were in the YF Zone, even in the occasional lull's in chanting from the YF, there was no obvious noise I could hear.

On another note, the chant of 'Yellow Army' went non-stop from about when the 4th goal went in until the end. It did not stop all , kudo's to all the fans who kept supporting even when it was becoming a bit shameful.

"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

about 1 year ago
van Alberto
martinb
Nixieboys222
Brother lighten up, the bus thing was bloody harmless and fair play. You want an atmosphere in football that in unique in NZ sports landscape? There you have it. It didn’t get violent, no one was harmed, lets not make it bigger then what it should be, and not sure what their socio economic status got to do with anything? Some of your posts lately have been rather odd my dude.
martinb
mykey
LT01
mykey
Back home now. How hard is it to have an away zone for away fans? 
The clubs really need to work together to make it an enjoyable experience for everyone.

AFC fans are bloody arrogant 17 games into their existence. Can’t wait for the tide to turn
Not to mention the location... should be AL regulation that the away bay must be pitchside. Know some people going over who are quite disappointed when I've shown them this.
 
 

Yeah agree. We couldn’t be any further away. Was shocking. 

They call it ‘sharkhousery’ or something they read about in ‘’Football Rivalries for Dummies’. Same with this crap with the bus today, for which I hope they get points docked. Never heard of BS like it in the A league from a hosting club. Stalking Doloras online. I say boycott them next time. They don’t need the money. And we need to remember their BS in the future. I hope some of the travelers have had a good time with their fans and their hospitality, cos the overall impression is Corica, McFlynn and pals. IE pack of wankers.

I watch the away fans here in Japan. They’re always at opposite ends. Always in the same place. Almost always sold out in our small stadium. I’ve never once seen problems with fans and the players can come right over and sign autographs and shake hands with the away fans. Though they’ll usually just line up and say thank you and someone will give a speech. And then all the fans will troop out and pick up the last available bottles of the local beer from the beer tent as a souvenir or to drink on the train home. 

I mean either they’re a club in a rough area and their fans are equally rough or they’re an upper middle class one with cash and well heeled fans to boot. But being a blinged up club with a bunch of incels playing at Football Factory is just BS. Rufer might be down playing it, but the club and the league shouldn’t. Especially with the way the league treated Melbourne and WSW.

Comparing to West Ham fans, for example. Dunno if you’ve heard about what happens when they get grumpy. And yeh I know New Zealanders are not allowed to talk about class, but football and its traditions in the UK are working class.  Sorry, socio-economically disadvantaged. And blockading buses is usually something that happens in the context of ultras and fan violence. What are you saying, this was a fun pantomime tribute to ultras and fan violence? Done by much better non-violent people, who were just mimicking violent fans for a laugh, but it was totally funny?

Nah, complete BS. The club is hosting. Hosting means looking after fans and players, not stopping them and lighting flares. A unique experience doesn’t mean playing at being West Ham super light. Same goes for their BS stunt with a pitch invader in an Auckland shirt last season. 

Italiano said they were delayed getting in by 10 or fifteen minutes. That’s simple BS. AFC should be fined at a minimum. Probably docked points and have that suspended. That’s canary stuff. It didn’t get violent, as far as we know, but it’s not at all cool. 

Get an away bay pitch side. Look after your guests. Don’t have weak security which lets your guests be delayed and hindered by your fans. 

It’s never something the Fever have done or considered doing. It’s nothing the Nix have experienced elsewhere in 18 years. My posts are odd? I’m not a fan who thought to show how much I like football by blockading the opposition bus. Banter. Lols.
Bus was only delayed a couple of minutes. He was looking for excuses. Auckland traffic would have delayed them more than this.
instead of talking shark, listen to what he says. He was totally fine with the fans interrupting the bus, just that there should be security to not risk delay of the start of the game.
about 1 year ago
Bullion
van Alberto
martinb
Nixieboys222
Brother lighten up, the bus thing was bloody harmless and fair play. You want an atmosphere in football that in unique in NZ sports landscape? There you have it. It didn’t get violent, no one was harmed, lets not make it bigger then what it should be, and not sure what their socio economic status got to do with anything? Some of your posts lately have been rather odd my dude.
martinb
mykey
LT01
mykey
Back home now. How hard is it to have an away zone for away fans? 
The clubs really need to work together to make it an enjoyable experience for everyone.

AFC fans are bloody arrogant 17 games into their existence. Can’t wait for the tide to turn
Not to mention the location... should be AL regulation that the away bay must be pitchside. Know some people going over who are quite disappointed when I've shown them this.
 
 

Yeah agree. We couldn’t be any further away. Was shocking. 

They call it ‘sharkhousery’ or something they read about in ‘’Football Rivalries for Dummies’. Same with this crap with the bus today, for which I hope they get points docked. Never heard of BS like it in the A league from a hosting club. Stalking Doloras online. I say boycott them next time. They don’t need the money. And we need to remember their BS in the future. I hope some of the travelers have had a good time with their fans and their hospitality, cos the overall impression is Corica, McFlynn and pals. IE pack of wankers.

I watch the away fans here in Japan. They’re always at opposite ends. Always in the same place. Almost always sold out in our small stadium. I’ve never once seen problems with fans and the players can come right over and sign autographs and shake hands with the away fans. Though they’ll usually just line up and say thank you and someone will give a speech. And then all the fans will troop out and pick up the last available bottles of the local beer from the beer tent as a souvenir or to drink on the train home. 

I mean either they’re a club in a rough area and their fans are equally rough or they’re an upper middle class one with cash and well heeled fans to boot. But being a blinged up club with a bunch of incels playing at Football Factory is just BS. Rufer might be down playing it, but the club and the league shouldn’t. Especially with the way the league treated Melbourne and WSW.

Comparing to West Ham fans, for example. Dunno if you’ve heard about what happens when they get grumpy. And yeh I know New Zealanders are not allowed to talk about class, but football and its traditions in the UK are working class.  Sorry, socio-economically disadvantaged. And blockading buses is usually something that happens in the context of ultras and fan violence. What are you saying, this was a fun pantomime tribute to ultras and fan violence? Done by much better non-violent people, who were just mimicking violent fans for a laugh, but it was totally funny?

Nah, complete BS. The club is hosting. Hosting means looking after fans and players, not stopping them and lighting flares. A unique experience doesn’t mean playing at being West Ham super light. Same goes for their BS stunt with a pitch invader in an Auckland shirt last season. 

Italiano said they were delayed getting in by 10 or fifteen minutes. That’s simple BS. AFC should be fined at a minimum. Probably docked points and have that suspended. That’s canary stuff. It didn’t get violent, as far as we know, but it’s not at all cool. 

Get an away bay pitch side. Look after your guests. Don’t have weak security which lets your guests be delayed and hindered by your fans. 

It’s never something the Fever have done or considered doing. It’s nothing the Nix have experienced elsewhere in 18 years. My posts are odd? I’m not a fan who thought to show how much I like football by blockading the opposition bus. Banter. Lols.
Bus was only delayed a couple of minutes. He was looking for excuses. Auckland traffic would have delayed them more than this.
instead of talking shark, listen to what he says. He was totally fine with the fans interrupting the bus, just that there should be security to not risk delay of the start of the game.

Sorry? This is a fun thread. Almost as fun as the game from a Phoenix point of view. 

My take, which I’m allowed to have, is that deliberately interrupting the team bus with flags and flares is cos-playing more dangerous and violent fan behaviour elsewhere, which is kind of dickish. It’s kind of like a mockney accent. A kind of Disney ultra. That’s a unique and special experience. I look at the pitch invasion last season and the way they are treating the away zone and think that’s not good hosting. And it’s dumb. The players and the football don’t need it.

I’ve since been told it wasn’t planned, just a complete accident of scheduling where the bus and the march arrived at the same time. So I believe that. Fair enough 


about 1 year ago
Dougie Rydal
No way is Chief not offered an extension, he over performed last year and is under performing this year (maybe), the Mgmt and ownership are conservative as hell, so they won't be ditching him for someone else.

I went to the game (flew up from Ch-Ch for it), met at pub, took the train, walked to the game, etc. Was brilliantly done, Siggy sat on the train with us, joining in too.

I couldn't hear the Port at all from where we were in the YF Zone, even in the occasional lull's in chanting from the YF, there was no obvious noise I could hear.

On another note, the chant of 'Yellow Army' went non-stop from about when the 4th goal went in until the end. It did not stop all , kudo's to all the fans who kept supporting even when it was becoming a bit shameful.

Of course Chief will be given an extension for another year. He had a great season and then a mostly sharke season. The third one is the tiebreaker and will inform where to from there, rather than going off an emotional reaction because we're upset we're losing. Especially when there are several reasons to explain why we're not doing well that can and should be addressed for next season.

People need to stop trying to find someone to scapegoat and support the team through some dark shark. I'm certain they'll be way more disappointed than us. 
about 1 year ago · edited about 1 year ago · History
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Phoenix_FC

If Wikipedia is to be believed Chief still has the best Nix coach win ratio by a fair margin and a solid positive goal difference.  

He was at 50% up to and including 11jan this year and we've had three draws a win and two losses since then. (Edit: which by my math has him at 46% now)

Next best are Rudan and Talay, both at just above 39%. 

Tough weekend.  Tough season so far.  But I'd be keeping Chief on.



about 1 year ago
Dougie Rydal wrote:
On another note, the chant of 'Yellow Army' went non-stop from about when the 4th goal went in until the end. It did not stop all , kudo's to all the fans who kept supporting even when it was becoming a bit shameful.
Yeah, the infinite chanting/drumming was great and the perfect distraction from the pain, haha.

Honorable mention to the PA failure during the DJ set before the match which granted the "who are ya?" chant the spotlight. 
about 1 year ago
queenofthequail
Dougie Rydal
No way is Chief not offered an extension, he over performed last year and is under performing this year (maybe), the Mgmt and ownership are conservative as hell, so they won't be ditching him for someone else.

I went to the game (flew up from Ch-Ch for it), met at pub, took the train, walked to the game, etc. Was brilliantly done, Siggy sat on the train with us, joining in too.

I couldn't hear the Port at all from where we were in the YF Zone, even in the occasional lull's in chanting from the YF, there was no obvious noise I could hear.

On another note, the chant of 'Yellow Army' went non-stop from about when the 4th goal went in until the end. It did not stop all , kudo's to all the fans who kept supporting even when it was becoming a bit shameful.

Of course Chief will be given an extension for another year. He had a great season and then a mostly sharke season. The third one is the tiebreaker and will inform where to from there, rather than going off an emotional reaction because we're upset we're losing. Especially when there are several reasons to explain why we're not doing well that can and should be addressed for next season.

People need to stop trying to find someone to scapegoat and support the team through some dark shark. I'm certain they'll be way more disappointed than us. 

Extra 10 brownie points to QotQ for a mature sensible comment, in the context of where we are with Chiefy after one and a half seasons.  Does not take away the disappointment of many years where Nix did not get as far we would like to; but this is the Chiefy era and his failures or inadequacies as a youngish coach of the Nix should not be conflated with the reasons the club has often been an also-run, over many seasons.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

about 1 year ago
The result on the weekend, was humiliating against the club's big derby rival. Agruably yes the 'worse loss in the club's history'. Even though there have been a couple of losses by bigger margins, being Auckland maybe this one stings the most ever.

Also at the moment this is shaping up as the poorest season, for awhile (2017/18). Sure the club have never won a trophy, but since crazy Kalezic left the fans have become familar with some modicum of 'success'.

Somehow the team made the playoffs (6th) in Covid affected season 21/22, despite finishing with a -15 GD. Lots of injuries for awhile, and when they lost they were often flogged. Before Saturday, this season the Nix were only on a -3 GD yet down in 11th.

2020/21 was actually the season (not 2022) they missed the playoffs by 1 point, when ironically they had a +10 GD.

But yeah judge Chiefy at season end not now.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360591291/wellington-phoenix-boss-backs-coach-after-big-derby-defeat-and-vows-well-come-back

The Phoenix have made the A-League Men playoffs in five of the last six seasons and only missed out by a single point in 2022, while finishing the season on an 11-match unbeaten run. They had made the top six just once in six seasons before that, but are currently on track for their worst finish since 2018.
about 1 year ago
Seems OK for ‚mutal‘ terminations of players, who fall out of favor, But coaches who disenfranchises fans to gets chance for another year.
The whole negotiations new contract is also a joke. Seriously what are they talking for all those month? I did a few life changing decisions, you think for a few days about it and then you go for it. No one is committing. This is so stupid!
about 1 year ago
I'd just like to add that even after this game we still have the 4th best defence in the league. If (hard if) we can get some younger and better attackers over the off-season we could potentially get a better season.
about 1 year ago
Man, what I wouldn't give to switch Chief's two seasons around.

An average/poor first season that you'd expect to see for a coach in his debut professional season, followed by an unparalleled season of success (results-wise) once he gets his bearings; thrashing our new rivals in every meeting and ending up on the 'podium' at the end of the season.

Still, always next season!