Wellington Phoenix Men

WPM R26 vs Melbourne Victory | Sat 12th Apr | 5:00pm | RoF / Sky Sports 5

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12 months ago
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.
12 months ago
V V V 
Victory versus Victory 

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

12 months ago
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.
12 months ago
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.

Planning to buy a Lotto ticket

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

12 months ago
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.


Have a little faith, all that needs to happen is:
1. We win the remaining three matches 
2. Sydney and Adelaide pick up no points in their remaining three matches 
3. We win by an average goal difference of four, and Sydney looses by an average goal difference of four. 


12 months ago
Hoping to take the fam to this one. 
12 months ago
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.

Someone over on Reddit ran a rest-of-season simulation 10,000 times about two or three gameweeks ago - even then, the Nix only made it to the playoffs twice
12 months ago
mrsmiis
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.

Someone over on Reddit ran a rest-of-season simulation 10,000 times about two or three gameweeks ago - even then, the Nix only made it to the playoffs twice

A 1 in 5000 chance is way better than 1 in a 1,000,000 chance - I'll take it.

Queenslander 3x a year.

12 months ago
mrsmiis
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.

Someone over on Reddit ran a rest-of-season simulation 10,000 times about two or three gameweeks ago - even then, the Nix only made it to the playoffs twice

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12 months ago
Victory's been playing really well lately on attack. Arzani, Piscopo, Velupillay, Fornarolli and Bos have been destroying defences.  Due for a big win IMO.
Should be a good watch.
12 months ago
mrsmiis
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.

Someone over on Reddit ran a rest-of-season simulation 10,000 times about two or three gameweeks ago - even then, the Nix only made it to the playoffs twice

Did they factored in Italiano’s new lucky shirt? And I saw him this morning coming walking out of Auroras Psychic reading with a big smile.
I’m going for a win!
12 months ago · edited 12 months ago · History
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.

Honestly, I just want to see us finish above CCM now. For all the dismay over how our season as gone, that would feel like a small win. Beating last years winners & who also lost key players like us, so have struggled just as much. 
12 months ago
If we overtake CCM and Newcastle, we'll avoid the playoffs in Darwin. So there's that (and with our fixtures it's doable)
12 months ago
Trip to Darwin sounds fun.
You know we belong together...

12 months ago
Oska
Trip to Darwin sounds fun.
YF drinking Darwin Stubbies not a sight i would want to see. But your right Darwin is fun

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

12 months ago · edited 12 months ago · History
Maaaaaaatt
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.


Have a little faith, all that needs to happen is:
1. We win the remaining three matches 
2. Sydney and Adelaide pick up no points in their remaining three matches 
3. We win by an average goal difference of four, and Sydney looses by an average goal difference of four. 



Yea - 1 in a million. If you run the odds, it would easily be around that ballpark, maybe 1 in 10 million.

Edit: ChatGPT says 1 in 21,459,000 chance.

⚽ Step-by-Step Probabilistic Breakdown:
1. Wellington Wins All 3 Games
Let’s say each game win has a:
  • 40% chance (being generous—they're 11th). So:
    P(win 3 games) = 0.4 × 0.4 × 0.4 = 0.064 → 6.4%
2. Sydney FC Loses All 3 Games
Assume each loss has a:
  • 30% chance (they're better placed). So: P(lose 3 games) = 0.3 × 0.3 × 0.3 = 0.027 → 2.7%
3. Adelaide United Loses All 3 Games
Same odds as Sydney: P(lose 3 games) = 2.7%
4. Goal Difference Swing of 24 Goals
This is the real kicker.
Getting a +24 GD swing over 3 games is so absurdly rare, it's basically lottery odds. Based on historical A-League results and general football scoreline trends, the chance of:
  • Winning each match by 4+ goals: < 1%
  • Sydney losing each match by 4+ goals: < 1%
We’ll estimate conservatively:
 P(achieving 24 GD swing) ≈ 0.0001 = 0.01%
🧮 Multiply It All Together:
0.064×0.027×0.027×0.0001≈4.66×10−80.064x0.027x0.027x0.0001 ≈ 4.66x 10^{-8}0.064×0.027×0.027×0.0001≈4.66×10−8
That’s roughly:
0.00000466% chance
or
1 in 21,459,000
12 months ago · edited 12 months ago · History
Ninja
Maaaaaaatt
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.


Have a little faith, all that needs to happen is:
1. We win the remaining three matches 
2. Sydney and Adelaide pick up no points in their remaining three matches 
3. We win by an average goal difference of four, and Sydney looses by an average goal difference of four. 



Yea - 1 in a million. If you run the odds, it would easily be around that ballpark, maybe 1 in 10 million.

Edit: ChatGPT says 1 in 21,459,000 chance.

⚽ Step-by-Step Probabilistic Breakdown:
1. Wellington Wins All 3 Games
Let’s say each game win has a:
  • 40% chance (being generous—they're 11th). So:
    P(win 3 games) = 0.4 × 0.4 × 0.4 = 0.064 → 6.4%
2. Sydney FC Loses All 3 Games
Assume each loss has a:
  • 30% chance (they're better placed). So: P(lose 3 games) = 0.3 × 0.3 × 0.3 = 0.027 → 2.7%
3. Adelaide United Loses All 3 Games
Same odds as Sydney: P(lose 3 games) = 2.7%
4. Goal Difference Swing of 24 Goals
This is the real kicker.
Getting a +24 GD swing over 3 games is so absurdly rare, it's basically lottery odds. Based on historical A-League results and general football scoreline trends, the chance of:
  • Winning each match by 4+ goals: < 1%
  • Sydney losing each match by 4+ goals: < 1%
We’ll estimate conservatively:
 P(achieving 24 GD swing) ≈ 0.0001 = 0.01%
🧮 Multiply It All Together:
0.064×0.027×0.027×0.0001≈4.66×10−80.064x0.027x0.027x0.0001 ≈ 4.66x 10^{-8}0.064×0.027×0.027×0.0001≈4.66×10−8
That’s roughly:
0.00000466% chance
or
1 in 21,459,000

I like the work, and I hate to rain on a well thought out parade.

But aren't there four games left?

Hope it's not too much to recalculate all that. 

As an educated guess, given more matches need to be played it makes it less likely of a scenario for us to sneak in, those probabilities have probably jumped out to about 1 in 35,000,000ish. Let me know what ChatGPT says. 🤣

12 months ago
YoungHeartHM
Ninja
Maaaaaaatt
Ninja
RR
Still not mathematically eliminated from the Finals but rather unlikely. But it would be nice to have some revenge for last seasons Finals loss at the RoF.

Rather unlikely is an understatement. I'd say 1 in a million we qualify for the playoffs.


Have a little faith, all that needs to happen is:
1. We win the remaining three matches 
2. Sydney and Adelaide pick up no points in their remaining three matches 
3. We win by an average goal difference of four, and Sydney looses by an average goal difference of four. 



Yea - 1 in a million. If you run the odds, it would easily be around that ballpark, maybe 1 in 10 million.

Edit: ChatGPT says 1 in 21,459,000 chance.

⚽ Step-by-Step Probabilistic Breakdown:
1. Wellington Wins All 3 Games
Let’s say each game win has a:
  • 40% chance (being generous—they're 11th). So:
    P(win 3 games) = 0.4 × 0.4 × 0.4 = 0.064 → 6.4%
2. Sydney FC Loses All 3 Games
Assume each loss has a:
  • 30% chance (they're better placed). So: P(lose 3 games) = 0.3 × 0.3 × 0.3 = 0.027 → 2.7%
3. Adelaide United Loses All 3 Games
Same odds as Sydney: P(lose 3 games) = 2.7%
4. Goal Difference Swing of 24 Goals
This is the real kicker.
Getting a +24 GD swing over 3 games is so absurdly rare, it's basically lottery odds. Based on historical A-League results and general football scoreline trends, the chance of:
  • Winning each match by 4+ goals: < 1%
  • Sydney losing each match by 4+ goals: < 1%
We’ll estimate conservatively:
 P(achieving 24 GD swing) ≈ 0.0001 = 0.01%
🧮 Multiply It All Together:
0.064×0.027×0.027×0.0001≈4.66×10−80.064x0.027x0.027x0.0001 ≈ 4.66x 10^{-8}0.064×0.027×0.027×0.0001≈4.66×10−8
That’s roughly:
0.00000466% chance
or
1 in 21,459,000

I like the work, and I hate to rain on a well thought out parade.

But aren't there four games left?

Hope it's not too much to recalculate all that. 

As an educated guess, given more matches need to be played it makes it less likely of a scenario for us to sneak in, those probabilities have probably jumped out to about 1 in 35,000,000ish. Let me know what ChatGPT says. 🤣


Ah—got it. If Wellington Phoenix has 4 games left, that changes things a little. Let’s rerun the odds now with that extra match giving them more breathing room.
⚽ Updated Scenario Breakdown:
📌 Current Situation:
  • Wellington Phoenix: 24 points, GD −11, 4 games left
  • Sydney FC: 33 points, GD +11, 3 games left
  • Adelaide United: 33 points, GD 0, 3 games left
If Wellington wins all 4 matches:
  • They reach 36 points
  • Could pass both Sydney and Adelaide if those teams stay at 33
New Required GD Swing vs. Sydney:
  • Wellington: −11 → needs to overcome a +11 difference
  • Total GD swing needed = 22
  • Now over 4 games → need ~5.5 GD swing per round (e.g. 3–0 wins while Sydney loses 3–0, etc.)
Let’s plug this into updated probabilities.
🔢 Updated Probabilistic Estimate
1. Wellington Wins 4 Games
Let’s bump win probability up a bit with 4 chances:
  • Assume 40% win chance per game
    So:
  • P(win 4 in a row) = 0.4^4 = 0.0256 → 2.56%
2. Sydney FC Loses All 3 Games
Still:
  • P = 0.3^3 = 2.7%
3. Adelaide United Loses All 3 Games
Same:
  • P = 2.7%
4. Goal Difference Swing (22 Goals)
Still extremely rare, but over 4 games it's marginally less insane than over 3.
Let’s estimate:
  • Wellington wins big: 2% chance
  • Sydney collapses hard: 2% chance
  • Combined GD swing of 22+: 0.0004 = 0.04%
🧮 Recalculated Total Probability:
P=0.0256×0.027×0.027×0.0004≈7.45×10−8P = 0.0256 \times 0.027 \times 0.027 \times 0.0004 ≈ 7.45 \times 10^{-8}P=0.0256×0.027×0.027×0.0004≈7.45×10−8
That’s about:
0.00000745% chance
or
1 in 13.4 million
🧾 Final Recalculated Odds:
ScenarioOddsWellington makes top 6 | 1 in 13.4 million
Previously (3 games left) | 1 in 21.4 million
12 months ago · edited 12 months ago · History
Should have also stated that all the teams that are we can theoretically catch - WSW, Sydney, Adelaide, Victory all have four games left too. Macarthur have three. 

Sorry to be a pain (genuinely not taking the piss, but the numbers do intrigue me) 😅
12 months ago · edited 12 months ago · History
Wellington Phoenix squad: 
1. Josh OLUWAYEMI, 3. Corban PIPER, 4. Scott WOOTTON, 5. Fin ROA CONCHIE, 6. Tim PAYNE, 7. Kosta BARBAROUSES, 8. Paulo RETRE, 9. Hideki ISHIGE, 14. Alex RUFER, 15. Isaac HUGHES, 17. Gabriel SLOANE-RODRIGUES, 18. Lukas KELLY-HEALD, 19. Sam SUTTON, 23. Luke SUPYK, 25. Kazuki NAGASAWA, 27. Matt SHERIDAN, 29. Luke BROOKE-SMITH, 35. Dublin BOON, 39. Jayden SMITH, 41. Nathan WALKER

(Two to be omitted)
Ins: 39. Jayden SMITH (promoted)
Outs: 46. Lachlan CANDY (omitted)
Unavailable: 11. Stefan COLAKOVSKI (injured), 12. Chico GERALDES (injured), 30. Alby KELLY-HEALD (gk) (injured)


Melbourne Victory squad:
1. Mitch LANGERAK, 3. Adama TRAORE, 4. Lachlan JACKSON, 5. Brendan HAMILL, 6. Ryan TEAGUE, 7. Daniel ARZANI, 8. Zinedine MACHACH, 9. Nikolaos VERGOS, 10. Bruno FORNAROLI, 14. Jordi VALADON, 16. Joshua INSERRA, 17. Nishan VELUPILLAY, 18. Fabian MONGE, 19. Jing REEC, 21. Roderick MIRANDA, 22. Joshua RAWLINS, 23. Alexander BADOLATO, 25. Jack DUNCAN, 27. Reno PISCOPO, 28. Kasey BOS

(Two to be omitted)
Ins: 3. Adama TRAORE (promoted), 6. Ryan TEAGUE (return from injury)
Outs: 11. Clerismario SANTOS RODRIGUES (injured)
Unavailable: Nil

12 months ago
Hey, no new injuries is a positive! 
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
12 months ago
kwlap
Hey, no new injuries is a positive! 

There's still another day's training to go...

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

11 months ago
Ya game day nothing like the anticipation.
COYN
IM PHOENIX TILL I DIE I KNOW I AM IM SURE I AM IM PHOENIX TILL I DIE

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

11 months ago
🔥🔥Fire Up🔥🔥

It'll be a tough one today, but if we can play like the 1st half last week we might have a chance!

🔥🔥Come On You Nix!🔥🔥
11 months ago · edited 11 months ago · History


Unchanged starting lineup
11 months ago
Firing up! 

Don’t think we’ll get as much space against Victory, but let’s see! 


11 months ago
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Half a Pint


Unchanged starting lineup

Auckland will rise once more

11 months ago
5 at the back?
11 months ago
I expect the exact same formation as last week, as it is the same lineup, so that'd be 5 at the back.

The broadcast have shown that same 5-3-2 formation with Piper in central defense and Sheridan & Ishige in midfield and Nagasawa up front, might be one of the few times they get that right. 
11 months ago
Going to be watching from work.

If we play like we did in the first half last week we've got a shot.

If we play like we did in the second half last week we'll get pulverized.

I'd be happy with a draw from this to be honest. They've been tight/close games (scoreline wise...) for the past few years though, so who knows, a solitary goal could be enough. 
11 months ago
Man the pre game show is cliched cringe. Folks give the Aussie commentators a hard time, but that's through some seriously rose tinted glasses.

11 months ago
Yep, that was always coming. We look shark today
11 months ago
Didn't take Velupillay long
11 months ago
Bar a mistake, you will likely never see a softer goal than that.
11 months ago
CHIEFY OUT.

"It will be hosted in Wellington. My balls my word"

3/7/2013

"McGlinchey is ours ! My balls my word."

5/8/2014

11 months ago
What are we doing?!
11 months ago
Any one especially sky go freezing heaps? 
11 months ago
How can is be 9mins in and they are able to pass through our lines so easily 
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
11 months ago
Get in piper!!!!
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
11 months ago
What position is he playing?!!?
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological.