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Chiefy still all in on high line system in the press conference. Won't be pivoting. To be fair to him it is possible that the players do click and start doing it properly and consistently for 90 minutes at some point, I guess. Would love to see it.
Also makes it very clear he wants to bring in a #10 in January.
I’m still struggling to think who on earth is the injured Williamson?
Surely we are not elevating Payne to his level?Rock Hopper
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I mean Bazball had Baz. Human proof you can ramp a six. That’s lazy shorthand. Chief never ramped a six in football equivalent. Newcastle are more like that than us! Milligan scored from halfway maybe iirc. Hence having a bench full of attackers to bring on.
We’re just NZ cricket with an injured Williamson, but without any first or second generation African reinforcements. We don’t have Stokes or Crowe, though maybe Rufer is a Roger Twose equivalent. Or perhaps even Fleming. We’ve got James Franklin. And Shayne O’Connor. Perhaps even Chris Martin.
There’s no one guiding it home like Grant Elliot or Watling. There’s no angry ambition, composure matched with skill and desire, no Cairns, no Hadlee, no Baz, no Kane, no Lucas. No one top of the league. No one opposition fear…yet at least.
We’re the poorer cousins. Maybe not the poorest. But middling. Maybe we can get an Astle or perhaps a fit James and Eze might be that. We don’t have Jimmy Anderson or Starc or anyone top drawer. No Steve Smith, no Ross Taylor, no one averaging over 45 and possibly no one averaging over 40.
I think for this metaphor
Rufer = second half of career Vettori where he had to learn how to score centuries and self-promote up the order to a proper all rounder role. In this case Rufer has had to learn how to score goals.
Rest of the team = the ever rotating cast of nowhere near the required standard plunket shield battlers who all got a turn at trying and failing to plug the top order gap - Matt Horne, Matthew Bell, Craig Cumming, Daniel Flynn, James Marshall, Rob Nicol, Michael Papps, Shannon Stewart, Gareth Hopkins, Peter Ingram and many more take your pick...
In terms of if they were to do the unprecedented and unthinkable sacking of Chiefy, who steps in? Well Paul Ifill just finished up with Olympic and is a passionate club man that will n doubt he hurting to see the Nix in the current state they are in...
I think the loss of Ishige combined with the season long absences of Mileusnic and Retre and the only recent return from injury of Najjarine kinda covers the missing Williamson thing.
Moneyball- 3 players with strengths but limitations aggregate to one great of the game!
Very generous of you.
Yeh, well in the absence of a Chico or prodigal Rojas ya gotta go with your best combo. (And even those two don't match up with the Kane level).
James will come back in next week. Hughesy very likely to, was touch and go this week. Retre sounds like a maybe.
This is the most exciting and positive and hopeful and supporterish thing you've had to say in, what, two years? (Along with your post immediately before that).
Chiefy still all in on high line system in the press conference. Won't be pivoting. To be fair to him it is possible that the players do click and start doing it properly and consistently for 90 minutes at some point, I guess. Would love to see it.
Also makes it very clear he wants to bring in a #10 in January.
Hopefully the club can get the #10 in before Adelaide game on the 11th of Jan. Exactly a month before when we got Chico because that was way too late especially taking him a few game weeks to get fit.
James will come back in next week. Hughesy very likely to, was touch and go this week. Retre sounds like a maybe.
Thats all well in good but none of those 3 are going to help with better execution of the most basic of skills by a number of other players. Im an acknowledged Phoenix tragic and eternal optimist but even i despair at the lack of some of the most basic skills of some players. The inability to pass to a team mate control a ball or pass into a gap is so bereft at times its just no longer funny.
Just watched a replay of the game as I was unable to watch live. Chiefy 100% has to go and probably Dome too.
We cannot excuse losing to the team who is last and conceded the most goals in the league.
Yes they beat AFC but given the conditions, most teams in AFC's position (top vs bottom) would write that game off as soon as it finished. They also won the FFA Cup, it's a trophy (which we have never won), but it's a glorified pre-season tournament based in Australia.
We can blame the injuries and missing players but I am 100% convinced nothing will improve if we were at full fitness.
Love Piper but he needs an off season working solely on his touch
It's glaringly bad sometimes isn't it. If he can somehow fix it (long shot) he'd be bloody handy up top.
Lets be fair he isnt the only one some of the basic skills shown by many in the team are at times well below the level we should be expecting. Some efforts to control the ball and pass it into either a gap or a team mate are time sadly lacking by far too many in the team.
James will come back in next week. Hughesy very likely to, was touch and go this week. Retre sounds like a maybe.
Thats all well in good but none of those 3 are going to help with better execution of the most basic of skills by a number of other players. Im an acknowledged Phoenix tragic and eternal optimist but even i despair at the lack of some of the most basic skills of some players. The inability to pass to a team mate control a ball or pass into a gap is so bereft at times its just no longer funny.
Agree that some of the basic, 1st touch and pass stuff was poor today. Late in the 2nd half the Nix a few times tried to play through the congested middle, but it just looked disorganised compared to some of the slick stuff Taylor & Co had done at times. Rufer still seems the main playmaker through the middle.
The Nix's goal came from a great Ize header. Maybe searching for more goals, they would have been better to just go wide and bang in a cross. That currently better fits the skillset (Piper & Ize up top, no real no 10) of this squad?
But James & Hughes coming back will help shore up the defence. They are both playing today and at least one of those 3 goals conceded doesn't happen.
Just watched a replay of the game as I was unable to watch live. Chiefy 100% has to go and probably Dome too.
We cannot excuse losing to the team who is last and conceded the most goals in the league.
Yes they beat AFC but given the conditions, most teams in AFC's position (top vs bottom) would write that game off as soon as it finished. They also won the FFA Cup, it's a trophy (which we have never won), but it's a glorified pre-season tournament based in Australia.
We can blame the injuries and missing players but I am 100% convinced nothing will improve if we were at full fitness.
Enough is enough and the fanbase deserves better.
So then what? Break it, you bought it chum. You’ve sacked Dome and Chief. Might as well lose WelNix seeing they’ve appointed both those guys. Who you appointing?
So we can make excuses to wave away other teams’ good games, but not to explain why we aren’t scything through the league like butter?
Currently 6-12 is separated by one point meaning that impoverished clubs with salary caps are of very similar abilities.
Auckland has lost 6 games in two years. WU twice, Newcastle, Heidelberg (cup SF), Victory in a SF and Perth Glory. I think any victory over them is hard earned. We haven’t even drawn one in 5.
And the run of consecutive wins required to win a cup over an opponent that had just dispatched us, WSW and Auckland is certainly a good result irrespective of when it was done. Did we all want to lose because it was preseason?
There are no easy games in this league.
If we ignore the good qualities of our opponents we must win every game!
Not that we were great today. Of course we sure weren’t. But to wave away results, injuries and situations to make us look worse, but not to defend our situation is daft.
Oh, we can get still get anyone who has been a free agent since before the last transfer window closed, at any point. We need to wait until mid-Jan to get anybody who was registered to a club when it closed. I can't imagine there are lots of great options who have been free agents that long.
James will come back in next week. Hughesy very likely to, was touch and go this week. Retre sounds like a maybe.
Thats all well in good but none of those 3 are going to help with better execution of the most basic of skills by a number of other players. Im an acknowledged Phoenix tragic and eternal optimist but even i despair at the lack of some of the most basic skills of some players. The inability to pass to a team mate control a ball or pass into a gap is so bereft at times its just no longer funny.
Agree that some of the basic, 1st touch and pass stuff was poor today. Late in the 2nd half the Nix a few times tried to play through the congested middle, but it just looked disorganised compared to some of the slick stuff Taylor & Co had done at times. Rufer still seems the main playmaker through the middle.
The Nix's goal came from a great Ize header. Maybe searching for more goals, they would have been better to just go wide and bang in a cross. That currently better fits the skillset (Piper & Ize up top, no real no 10) of this squad?
But James & Hughes coming back will help shore up the defence. They are both playing today and at least one of those 3 goals conceded doesn't happen.
Mariners match a big one for the Chiefy tenure.
Thing is it hasnt just been today,im surprised how basic football skills can seemingly be so poor. That also applies to the womans team. Even things like crossing stopped counting but there were few times when a Nix player crossed the ball and their keeper swallowed it up standing in the 6 yard box or they were over or under hit. Certainly dont expect all of them to create something but we should expecting more than just 1 goal.
So was he blaming the dropping of the high line at half line for the three goals?
I think he was saying that they'd talked at half time about the mids dropping off the high line press earlier in some situations to help them manage the transition to defence better. But that they had got caught pressing when he'd intended for them to have dropped off.
His comments raise so many red flags. Why would you explain or justify your tactics to the media? Just say you were crap and talk about next week. You are gaining nothing by coming out with such dribble. Why tell anyone what your tactical thinking is?
I've watched the highlights, and the game was as bad as I remember.
Whatever Phoenix are trying to achieve with this high line is not giving them any advantage. Half the skill of football is surprise and initiative, and the Phoenix have none.
We should have been dead and buried in that game within 15 minutes.
Chiefy still all in on high line system in the press conference. Won't be pivoting. To be fair to him it is possible that the players do click and start doing it properly and consistently for 90 minutes at some point, I guess. Would love to see it.
Also makes it very clear he wants to bring in a #10 in January.
Hopefully the club can get the #10 in before Adelaide game on the 11th of Jan. Exactly a month before when we got Chico because that was way too late especially taking him a few game weeks to get fit.
Do you mean the club needs a number 10, or another 10? I fear it could be the latter.
We are so cooked honestly. Why can't the board just sack the coach? He's only on a 1 year contract? Are we that poor to pay out half a year's contract salary?
Do they not care about the results? The crowd numbers? The lost interest from the Wellington public?
It's unbelievable really. It's just die-hard tragics like us on this forum left, and even some here are dropping off because it's so dire.
We are so cooked honestly. Why can't the board just sack the coach? He's only on a 1 year contract? Are we that poor to pay out half a year's contract salary?
Do they not care about the results? The crowd numbers? The lost interest from the Wellington public?
It's unbelievable really. It's just die-hard tragics like us on this forum left, and even some here are dropping off because it's so dire.
Who do we get?
Also I hope in 3 games we’re 5th and this all seems silly panic! Santa…
We are so cooked honestly. Why can't the board just sack the coach? He's only on a 1 year contract? Are we that poor to pay out half a year's contract salary?
Do they not care about the results? The crowd numbers? The lost interest from the Wellington public?
It's unbelievable really. It's just die-hard tragics like us on this forum left, and even some here are dropping off because it's so dire.
Who do we get?
Also I hope in 3 games we’re 5th and this all seems silly panic! Santa…
Just watched a replay of the game as I was unable to watch live. Chiefy 100% has to go and probably Dome too.
We cannot excuse losing to the team who is last and conceded the most goals in the league.
Yes they beat AFC but given the conditions, most teams in AFC's position (top vs bottom) would write that game off as soon as it finished. They also won the FFA Cup, it's a trophy (which we have never won), but it's a glorified pre-season tournament based in Australia.
We can blame the injuries and missing players but I am 100% convinced nothing will improve if we were at full fitness.
Enough is enough and the fanbase deserves better.
So then what? Break it, you bought it chum. You’ve sacked Dome and Chief. Might as well lose WelNix seeing they’ve appointed both those guys. Who you appointing?
So we can make excuses to wave away other teams’ good games, but not to explain why we aren’t scything through the league like butter?
Currently 6-12 is separated by one point meaning that impoverished clubs with salary caps are of very similar abilities.
Auckland has lost 6 games in two years. WU twice, Newcastle, Heidelberg (cup SF), Victory in a SF and Perth Glory. I think any victory over them is hard earned. We haven’t even drawn one in 5.
And the run of consecutive wins required to win a cup over an opponent that had just dispatched us, WSW and Auckland is certainly a good result irrespective of when it was done. Did we all want to lose because it was preseason?
There are no easy games in this league.
If we ignore the good qualities of our opponents we must win every game!
Not that we were great today. Of course we sure weren’t. But to wave away results, injuries and situations to make us look worse, but not to defend our situation is daft.
So what your saying is you want the same, Chiefy and Dome isn't at fault because there are no easy games in this league.
We have already lost 5 games this season, but you want to say its because there are no easy games it's a legitimate excuse. Ok, fine we will keep Dome and Chiefy, continue to lose support, players and interest.
We haven't won anything in our existence and the new team have in their first season, but you would rather keep the same methods that have won us silverware for our existence. Ok pal.
Currently 6-12 if separated by one point, but if we were to play any of those teams, I wouldn't be confident in getting anything from it. That is down to the tactics and not the players. Some games we should have conceded more. In the 2-2 against Perth we could have been down 4-0 at half time.
Also if I owned the club I'd sack Chiefy now, appoint a interim coach (e.g. Ifill) til the end of the season and be clear its only til then while conducting an extensive search for a coach.
For Dome, I'd tell him this season is his last unless you can convince us otherwise.
We are so cooked honestly. Why can't the board just sack the coach? He's only on a 1 year contract? Are we that poor to pay out half a year's contract salary?
Do they not care about the results? The crowd numbers? The lost interest from the Wellington public?
It's unbelievable really. It's just die-hard tragics like us on this forum left, and even some here are dropping off because it's so dire.
Who do we get?
Also I hope in 3 games we’re 5th and this all seems silly panic! Santa…
Even though I'm on the Chiefy out side of things, a rumour was that Ian Foster didn't get sacked from the ABs due to NZ Employment Law...
Just watched a replay of the game as I was unable to watch live. Chiefy 100% has to go and probably Dome too.
We cannot excuse losing to the team who is last and conceded the most goals in the league.
Yes they beat AFC but given the conditions, most teams in AFC's position (top vs bottom) would write that game off as soon as it finished. They also won the FFA Cup, it's a trophy (which we have never won), but it's a glorified pre-season tournament based in Australia.
We can blame the injuries and missing players but I am 100% convinced nothing will improve if we were at full fitness.
Enough is enough and the fanbase deserves better.
So then what? Break it, you bought it chum. You’ve sacked Dome and Chief. Might as well lose WelNix seeing they’ve appointed both those guys. Who you appointing?
So we can make excuses to wave away other teams’ good games, but not to explain why we aren’t scything through the league like butter?
Currently 6-12 is separated by one point meaning that impoverished clubs with salary caps are of very similar abilities.
Auckland has lost 6 games in two years. WU twice, Newcastle, Heidelberg (cup SF), Victory in a SF and Perth Glory. I think any victory over them is hard earned. We haven’t even drawn one in 5.
And the run of consecutive wins required to win a cup over an opponent that had just dispatched us, WSW and Auckland is certainly a good result irrespective of when it was done. Did we all want to lose because it was preseason?
There are no easy games in this league.
If we ignore the good qualities of our opponents we must win every game!
Not that we were great today. Of course we sure weren’t. But to wave away results, injuries and situations to make us look worse, but not to defend our situation is daft.
So what your saying is you want the same, Chiefy and Dome isn't at fault because there are no easy games in this league.
We have already lost 5 games this season, but you want to say its because there are no easy games it's a legitimate excuse. Ok, fine we will keep Dome and Chiefy, continue to lose support, players and interest.
We haven't won anything in our existence and the new team have in their first season, but you would rather keep the same methods that have won us silverware for our existence. Ok pal.
Currently 6-12 if separated by one point, but if we were to play any of those teams, I wouldn't be confident in getting anything from it. That is down to the tactics and not the players. Some games we should have conceded more. In the 2-2 against Perth we could have been down 4-0 at half time.
Also if I owned the club I'd sack Chiefy now, appoint a interim coach (e.g. Ifill) til the end of the season and be clear its only til then while conducting an extensive search for a coach.
For Dome, I'd tell him this season is his last unless you can convince us otherwise.
Just watched a replay of the game as I was unable to watch live. Chiefy 100% has to go and probably Dome too.
We cannot excuse losing to the team who is last and conceded the most goals in the league.
Yes they beat AFC but given the conditions, most teams in AFC's position (top vs bottom) would write that game off as soon as it finished. They also won the FFA Cup, it's a trophy (which we have never won), but it's a glorified pre-season tournament based in Australia.
We can blame the injuries and missing players but I am 100% convinced nothing will improve if we were at full fitness.
Enough is enough and the fanbase deserves better.
So then what? Break it, you bought it chum. You’ve sacked Dome and Chief. Might as well lose WelNix seeing they’ve appointed both those guys. Who you appointing?
So we can make excuses to wave away other teams’ good games, but not to explain why we aren’t scything through the league like butter?
Currently 6-12 is separated by one point meaning that impoverished clubs with salary caps are of very similar abilities.
Auckland has lost 6 games in two years. WU twice, Newcastle, Heidelberg (cup SF), Victory in a SF and Perth Glory. I think any victory over them is hard earned. We haven’t even drawn one in 5.
And the run of consecutive wins required to win a cup over an opponent that had just dispatched us, WSW and Auckland is certainly a good result irrespective of when it was done. Did we all want to lose because it was preseason?
There are no easy games in this league.
If we ignore the good qualities of our opponents we must win every game!
Not that we were great today. Of course we sure weren’t. But to wave away results, injuries and situations to make us look worse, but not to defend our situation is daft.
So what your saying is you want the same, Chiefy and Dome isn't at fault because there are no easy games in this league.
We have already lost 5 games this season, but you want to say its because there are no easy games it's a legitimate excuse. Ok, fine we will keep Dome and Chiefy, continue to lose support, players and interest.
We haven't won anything in our existence and the new team have in their first season, but you would rather keep the same methods that have won us silverware for our existence. Ok pal.
Currently 6-12 if separated by one point, but if we were to play any of those teams, I wouldn't be confident in getting anything from it. That is down to the tactics and not the players. Some games we should have conceded more. In the 2-2 against Perth we could have been down 4-0 at half time.
Also if I owned the club I'd sack Chiefy now, appoint a interim coach (e.g. Ifill) til the end of the season and be clear its only til then while conducting an extensive search for a coach.
For Dome, I'd tell him this season is his last unless you can convince us otherwise.
4 losses unless you include the cup
i included the cup as the poster included it with AFC's losses.
Just watched a replay of the game as I was unable to watch live. Chiefy 100% has to go and probably Dome too.
We cannot excuse losing to the team who is last and conceded the most goals in the league.
Yes they beat AFC but given the conditions, most teams in AFC's position (top vs bottom) would write that game off as soon as it finished. They also won the FFA Cup, it's a trophy (which we have never won), but it's a glorified pre-season tournament based in Australia.
We can blame the injuries and missing players but I am 100% convinced nothing will improve if we were at full fitness.
Enough is enough and the fanbase deserves better.
So then what? Break it, you bought it chum. You’ve sacked Dome and Chief. Might as well lose WelNix seeing they’ve appointed both those guys. Who you appointing?
So we can make excuses to wave away other teams’ good games, but not to explain why we aren’t scything through the league like butter?
Currently 6-12 is separated by one point meaning that impoverished clubs with salary caps are of very similar abilities.
Auckland has lost 6 games in two years. WU twice, Newcastle, Heidelberg (cup SF), Victory in a SF and Perth Glory. I think any victory over them is hard earned. We haven’t even drawn one in 5.
And the run of consecutive wins required to win a cup over an opponent that had just dispatched us, WSW and Auckland is certainly a good result irrespective of when it was done. Did we all want to lose because it was preseason?
There are no easy games in this league.
If we ignore the good qualities of our opponents we must win every game!
Not that we were great today. Of course we sure weren’t. But to wave away results, injuries and situations to make us look worse, but not to defend our situation is daft.
So what your saying is you want the same, Chiefy and Dome isn't at fault because there are no easy games in this league.
We have already lost 5 games this season, but you want to say its because there are no easy games it's a legitimate excuse. Ok, fine we will keep Dome and Chiefy, continue to lose support, players and interest.
We haven't won anything in our existence and the new team have in their first season, but you would rather keep the same methods that have won us silverware for our existence. Ok pal.
Currently 6-12 if separated by one point, but if we were to play any of those teams, I wouldn't be confident in getting anything from it. That is down to the tactics and not the players. Some games we should have conceded more. In the 2-2 against Perth we could have been down 4-0 at half time.
Also if I owned the club I'd sack Chiefy now, appoint a interim coach (e.g. Ifill) til the end of the season and be clear its only til then while conducting an extensive search for a coach.
For Dome, I'd tell him this season is his last unless you can convince us otherwise.
4 losses unless you include the cup
i included the cup as the poster included it with AFC's losses.
5 losses in 11 or 12 games depending if you include the play-off game against Roar.
The most disappointing thing is club ownership not communicating at times like these. They must know fans are unhappy. Can they not make a statement about why they keep the coach? Is it money, law, willingness to wait? What is it? I'd be happier if at least we're given a reason. Seems like out of everyone they're the ones who've given up. Completely invisible
The most disappointing thing is club ownership not communicating at times like these. They must know fans are unhappy. Can they not make a statement about why they keep the coach? Is it money, law, willingness to wait? What is it? I'd be happier if at least we're given a reason. Seems like out of everyone they're the ones who've given up. Completely invisible
I'll put my tinfoil hat on for a moment.. .maybe they don't care cause it gives them the perfect excuse to wind up the club. Low crowd numbers tells them the general Wellington public doesn't cares if it has a professional football club or not.
Don't shoot me, but I bet the thought has crossed at least someone elses mind.
I wonder if this is concerning anyone at the club?
Would imagine it would be but is sacking everyone going to fix it. Anyone coming in is going to have the same players with all the same deficiencies. As much as people want it there just isnt another stadium in Wellington that will pass A League standards
I'll put my tinfoil hat on for a moment.. .maybe they don't care cause it gives them the perfect excuse to wind up the club. Low crowd numbers tells them the general Wellington public doesn't cares if it has a professional football club or not.
Don't shoot me, but I bet the thought has crossed at least someone elses mind.
Thats the one that worries me, surely there is only so long Rob will allow things to continue just to keep Lloyds legacy going. The big but is if they were planning to wind up doubt they would be expanding academies and starting a Charter School
Its hard to remain upbeat in times like this. You try and grasp at straws like we have a third of our squad unavailable and have had no luck with the refs etc. But the reality is it feels like we are in some sort of terminal slide. The club management are mute most of the time. Its getting harder and harder to actually feel a strong connection to the project. And seeing the ever diminishing crowd numbers its obvious quite a few others think this way. Is this the plan? Is this the model that the club think will bring success for both the men and womens team? They both are near the bottom of the table. Will sacking the coach bring success.? We have tried that before. What we havnt tried is bringing in new management. People who have had success in other clubs. We need new fresh ideas. Because things are not working
In a strange way i have actually enjoyed parts of the season.
I wonder if this is concerning anyone at the club?
Would imagine it would be but is sacking everyone going to fix it. Anyone coming in is going to have the same players with all the same deficiencies. As much as people want it there just isnt another stadium in Wellington that will pass A League standards
Its hard to remain upbeat in times like this. You try and grasp at straws like we have a third of our squad unavailable and have had no luck with the refs etc. But the reality is it feels like we are in some sort of terminal slide. The club management are mute most of the time. Its getting harder and harder to actually feel a strong connection to the project. And seeing the ever diminishing crowd numbers its obvious quite a few others think this way. Is this the plan? Is this the model that the club think will bring success for both the men and womens team? They both are near the bottom of the table. Will sacking the coach bring success.? We have tried that before. What we havnt tried is bringing in new management. People who have had success in other clubs. We need new fresh ideas. Because things are not working
In a strange way i have actually enjoyed parts of the season.
I'm sure everyone at the club is concerned and in the back of their minds worried about their own position and probably happily throw someone under the bus (normally the coach) but unlikely to be a panacea to the current situation the club is in.
I havent read anything here mainly because I wanted t avoid the gloating a the few anti-team'rs out there - maybe it was down to the fact that there were more people in AFC gear (I counted 10 youths) than there were from the Jets fanbase. The loss is hard, but we have to be honest we made them lolok good. Could have bneen 3-0 to them in the first 10 minutes if it wasnt for Josh and Jayden. There coach would have been equally thankful for their keeper too, as we squandered a good 2 to 3 chances - Eze himseld had multiple.
But we held out for the first 60 minutes, couldnt put them away and in a weird period of 7 minutes we conceded 3! With our most inexperienced back line errors were always going to come, high line was beaten, Josh hesitates and and a deflection within the 6 yard box. All avoidable but that is what happens when your back lines average age is early 20.
James and Huges do not make those errors (generally).
The pressure is on we are 2nd last in the group of 8's. But a win next week potentially puts us up to 5th. So not out of it byu any stretch.
Italiano needs some luck, he cant use the excuses of injuries etc any more
