All Whites V UAE Tuesday 10 Sept 6:15am

Sadly it was a pretty awful stomping and with the best will in the world towards Siggy you can't really come to any other objective conclusion. 

Siggy is just so lucky he didn't really damage the other guy as that kind of full body lateral impact on knee or bone could cause career ending injuries. It was among the dumbest and nastiest things I've ever seen on a sports field. He can beat himself up later about being so stupid and really soiling his own reputation (and the teams), but at least he doesn't have to take on any long term guilt from crippling someone. In that respect he was very lucky.

just a real good old brain explaosion from Siggy - the initial tackle was probably worthy of a yellow, but the added jump then two footed stamp is plain dumb and unexplainable - hard to tell intent but eitherway IO'd expect to see a one match ban for the red and the a couple more for the stamp - which means he's probably out of contention for the WC

Siggy available for Phoenix opening game then?

Interesting. If he can't be picked for an international friendly, can he play for club? You would think not but then if they only apply to international friendlies and not WC Qualifiers then you would assume that he can play for club but then that does make a mockery of the suspension.

There were a few cheap shots. Not what we want to be known for.

We got pissed at Cahill and Grella and this is just as bad, if not worse.

I think someone mentioned it on the thread for the last game but Winston really does think he's the top cock ay.
You can see it in the way he plays, it looks like he thinks he is better than everyone else.  
There's a clear difference in Nelsen captaincy and Reid captaincy. I miss Ryan :(

Shocking display...

Leo played far to high up the pitch for a back 4 which created too much space behind us which our inexperienced DM's could not cover. Also his crossing is atrocious, we need good supply from the flanks and I honestly think after what we have seen from him for the past 2 - 3 years, we can safely say he wont give it.

Lochead needs to go, he just coughs up possession all the time with is crossing.

Reid and Smith obviously will stay but I am happy to look at Smith at LB and Durante of Fitzgerald to be given a start at CB.

James looks ok and breaks up play without having a physical presence so deserves another chance.

Durante was pants... he coughed up possession with some appalling passing, dallied on the ball and his touch is not good enough. Would rather the immobile Vicelich or again give Fitzgerald a crack.

Howieson tried hard, but I think he struggles within the Herbert system, he looks for options and he all he gets is static.

Kosta, poor touch and short of a gallop.

Brockie was terrible, poor options, poor touch and offered nothing for a guy who has been playing regularly.

Wood barely touched the ball, but hey that i expected that with him up top by himself.

Bright, put himself about along with Clapham.

Ricki was shite!!

Should have changed things up at half time but stuck with what was not working. His team lack direction and the selections are poor. And stop making excuses, man up and say we were pants!! These are professional players and excuses like a lack of time together would not be acceptable to other nations nor should it be for us.

Weemac and Rojas will make a difference, but how much??

Come November after Bertos has not played a single minute for the Nix he better not get picked for the team.

The video from two angles doing the rounds is very conclusive.

Link ?

He's commented?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9146101/All-Whites-suffer-amid-Sigmund-disgrace

I've watched it a couple of times. He jumps on a 45 degree angle at the player. Had he gone straight ahead, he might well have hit feet or gone over. I think there is no doubt its deliberate.

To me perfect op lost to blood Roux at RB and Tuiloma at LB against these two sides. Lochhead needs to be told to find a club and fast if he wants to play (shouldn't be allowed to walk into team). James needs to play the Elliott role and given the chance. Durante is not a DM and should've instead had the op to have a run alongside Reid or Smith likewise Fitzgerald. Sigmund, Bertos, Lochhead need to be dumped immediately or magically regain form. In fact going back to Durante perhaps it's best if he proves himself by getting back to 2011/12 form. 

My 20 (yes not 18 and barring injury - Payne) then should've been (yes hindsight) and should be for October friendlies...

Moss

Roux Reid Smith Tuiloma

James Vicelich

Barbarouses McGlinchey Rojas

Smeltz

Subs: Spoonley, Fitzgerald, Keat, Payne, Brockie, Howieson, Henderson, Wood & Killen

And if anyone wants to argue the merits of Tuiloma/Roux then just look at Bertos/Siggy/Lochy and see they could no worse. Both are attacking full backs, with lots of pace and skill. Just what we need. Sink or swim time. If they sink sure bring back the old guard (If they are in form)

We can't keep f'ing around with players out of position (Brockie, Killen, Durante) time and time again. It does not work...

Ryan Nelsen was so visual and so bloody good at what he did that we were very lucky I think. I don't think Winston has the same organisations skills or marshalling skills at the back as Nelsen but then they are not the same player. Nelsen blindly believed he was as good as any player on any pitch and instilled that in his team to believe - he was an out and out leader. Winston is not the same but then all captains are different in their own way. We get the appearance that Winston is not a leader only because of what we see on TV. He could well be bloody good in his own way but because its not as obvious as Nelsen, we don't know. We're not close to the team to be objective enough to say he is or he is not. Ivan is a good captain but he is not the answer because of age and longevity left. As for someone else, is there anyone else? There must have been a reason Ricki picked Reid as he had Smith as captain in Honiara and he would be the only other obvious one. That being said, he was also picked as captain at West Ham so......

I think the main thing is that Reid just comes across as so casual and to be honest, his performances are not ones where you would go 'I see why he is the captain of West Ham and plays EPL every week'

I think it was Lochhead. Oh wait, can't have been. Attackers always get around him.

It had nothing to do with disagreeing with me at all. It was for having a shit attitude of saying 'hey totally ok to stomp on people'. If you think that's ok, then that says a bit about you as well.

I give up.

Mrs Siggy going full retard on AWs Facebook over mr Siggy tackle related angst.

NEVER go full retard.

Shit result.Great reading.

In regards to Smith at LB, wasn't he played there for a while at Ipswich and it was a bit of a disaster? I just have a vauge recollection of that idea having been tried before with very limited success.

News will know (if this post doesn't get swamped by angst).

Oh dear Mrs Sigmund on FB jesus. Don't bite love. 

I respect she is entitled to her opinion but she wont make it any better for him because it will look like she is fighting his battles.

All it would take his for a journo to see that and run a story...best say nothing and not bite. 

The problem is, when you pull on the New Zealand jersey in any sport and then do something as stupid as what Ben Sigmund did today you are going to upset a lot of Kiwis. Best thing he can do now is to take the flack, accept the punishment and move on...