All Whites vs Vanuatu | Fri 15th Nov | 7:00pm | FMG Stadium Waikato, Le Tron
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Sarpreet looked very determined to make things happen. After a couple of rusty touches, he was great. McCowatt made a strong impact when he came on. The subs kept the levels of play up, which was pleasing. Cacace was non-stop in his efforts and Garbett certainly had a big impact. Well done team!
Unless my hearing of the ground announcer was wrong I’m sure he said 3000 and something. Which looked about right
If it was 10k good effort. that however would fill almostbhalf that stadium and I don’t think it was near thatNommag
10k attendance is a good crowd given the weather
it was announced as 10,513
There was a bunch in the stand not seen by the cameras as well, they tended to be bunched up quite high in the stands to get cover from the looks of things
Pretty wasteful in patches. But maybe that’s just me predicting 10+ goals
If Waine starts against the part timer Samoans he needs fill his boots. He got a bit frustrated not getting the ball when he wanted it today
But in summary we learn very little about the AWs from these games. Thank god it’s all over in 3 windows
Paladin too much hyperbole. Leave that for leeeague
Without Koltak it would have been well over 10 goals. He's a very good player, I feel as if he had been picked up in the A-League earlier he'd be playing at a much higher level. With that said, clinical when we needed to be and considering it was only a few months ago that we put 4 and 3 past the same team, was a good showing by a talented NZ side.
Yeah but back in June was understrength AWs, in their hot humid conditions on a bumpy pitch.
It's all very different in cooler climes on a true surface. That's when you get the quick triangles going and can just blow these Island teams off the park. Like I remember Ben Old was at that Nations Cup tourney, but did SFA as the conditions just didn't suit him.
If Wood starts against Samoa the AWs could easily approach 15 goals. Their players will just be in total awe, and already be jostling for the post match jersey swap. But Bazeley might as well give Waineo a run.
I remember both Rufers when they played for FC Zurich in short being told that they couldn’t play for the All Whites. That was the club where Shane played the most in Switzerland.
He was a solid defenderNapier Phoenix
He was over in Switzerland with Wynton I think and in those days there were probably only those 2 in Europe and logistically it was harder to see them play and to come home for games etc. Of course Wynton went then to Bremen where he couldn’t of hidden if he wanted to. I remember Shane seeing Shane playing for NZ and I recall him as being very solid.Marto
Off topic a bit but does anyone here know why Shane Rufer played so little for NZ?
Obviously not as good as his brother or son but was a pro when NZ struggled to make them so surely he should have played more then 11 games over 13 years.
Good game and a good crowd considering the weather.
Rogerson needs to work on his option taking... the amount of tines he made the wrong choice playing off of Roux was hard to watch. Just also outside his goal was average.
Bindin looks the goods. McCowatt needs to start and I don't like Rufer and Bell in the middle together.
Unless my hearing of the ground announcer was wrong I’m sure he said 3000 and something. Which looked about right
If it was 10k good effort. that however would fill almostbhalf that stadium and I don’t think it was near thatNommag
10k attendance is a good crowd given the weather
commentator said 10,511 (someone posted it earlier, heard the 10,000 but missed the numbers). Waikato can squeeze in 25k so that probably seems right off. It has lots of corporate boxes etc so maybe they were full.
Hes gone the opposite way now saying that Brian Kaltak played several seasons for Auckland FC
There was another interesting commentary 'slip' where he said " the All Whites" hesitated and then said "I mean the team playing in All White". It was as if there had been an instruction from up high not to say "All Whites"
Just got back from the game. Lots of fun and goals. The Vanuatu goal was the pick of the lot. Definitely made the first 20 interesting. Good crowd, lots of people there out of interest and I think they would have gone home happy. No real comment on the players as they all have a fair shift. though I will say that Rufer and Stamenic gave a bit of off the ball niggle which wasn't really needed. Rufer left an elbow in on one guy at one point which he was lucky not to be pulled up for. And oh Gillion, ok the kid might have talent but unless he can learn to pass then I can't see him doing much. Can't wait to see them in action on Monday.
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological.
Unless my hearing of the ground announcer was wrong I’m sure he said 3000 and something. Which looked about right
If it was 10k good effort. that however would fill almostbhalf that stadium and I don’t think it was near thatNommag
10k attendance is a good crowd given the weather
commentator said 10,511 (someone posted it earlier, heard the 10,000 but missed the numbers). Waikato can squeeze in 25k so that probably seems right off. It has lots of corporate boxes etc so maybe they were full.
Adult tix were cheap at $20. Kids $10? Some pre game purchasers just wouldn’t have turned up seeing the weather, but still lincluded in the crowd number??
Re Shane Rufer He was actually a striker before he went overseas and a very good one too Played national League up front for Stop Out and Miramar Rangers His early internationals were as a striker Was also a NZ Softball international iirc Was turned into a defender when he went to Switzerland. Might be a bit of truth in the idea that the brothers were seen as a package deal. Both , but wynton particularly , had trouble getting released to play for NZ. Different times with release rules not so tight.
With the exception of Alex Rufer, do you think we will see a completely new starting eleven verses Samoa?
I wouldn't want to see Barbarouses or Payne if there are any remaining niggly injury concerns that could affect them being able to turn out for the Nix next weekend. But otherwise I would expect a raft of changes, and I'm picking 7 - Paulsen, Surman, Pijnaker, Singh, Bell, McCowatt & Waine to come in to starting XI.
Would have gone de Vries in at LB too, but I just get the feeling Cacace wants to play every game he can for us, regardless of opposition. That, and you cant put your two highest profile players on the bench from the outset (purely from a fan standpoint) I know it's only Samoa, but the people turning up are going to want to see the big guns playing.
I'm not even going to go into tactics/formations on this one. As some have already said, the National League sides would beat these guys.
Yes but it was nice to see us give an Oceanian opponent a proper battering for the first time in a long time. I remember a 6-1 featuring a Chris Wood hattrick in Albany a few years back but this was on another level to that.
I'd honestly like to see us keep doing this, to make it untenable for FIFA to leave us marooned in Oceania the way we are. A lot of countries will start to complain that we get a World Cup spot by beating every team we play by 3 or more every single time, and that might actually make something happen, something like the top 2 Oceania teams getting to participate in a final stage of AFC qualifying or something like that.
Seemed like it was a 4-2-3-1 last night, with Stamenic & Rufer sitting and Just as the 10 with Garbett on his left and Rogerson on his right. I guess you could also call it a 4-3-3 with two 6s and a 10/8. This is our shape that we are going to be sticking to according to Baze.
Questionable opposition but Garbett really made a statement that the left sided attacking role should be his, even if we have all our best players available and fully fit. I think Singh showed last night in his cameo that the 10 role should still be his too. Rogerson was less convincing on the right, leaving that spot up for grabs for the likes of Just, McCowatt, Kosta (and maybe Rojas, if he can get back to his best). Probably the biggest question mark in what is our best team, other than centreback where we have 4 decent options for two spots.
Edit: I'm very happy with any 2/3 of Stamenic, Rufer & Bell as our 6s, it's great to have 3 solid options in case one of them goes down.
Happy with the win, was as easy as expected - excluding the one error from which they scored. Some real positives though, Rufer continued to look solid at this level, Garbett was brilliant, so was Just. Really happy to see Sarpreet come on and play the footy we know he can!! (Please let him stay fit for the rest of his career). Wood as always just did what he has been doing. Roux did ok on attack, defensively I was surprised to see him struggle a little. Overall though the expected win, Samoa will be a LOT easier.
Yes but it was nice to see us give an Oceanian opponent a proper battering for the first time in a long time. I remember a 6-1 featuring a Chris Wood hattrick in Albany a few years back but this was on another level to that.
I'd honestly like to see us keep doing this, to make it untenable for FIFA to leave us marooned in Oceania the way we are. A lot of countries will start to complain that we get a World Cup spot by beating every team we play by 3 or more every single time, and that might actually make something happen, something like the top 2 Oceania teams getting to participate in a final stage of AFC qualifying or something like that.
There are $USD10,000,000 reasons why we don’t want this to happen unfortunately. Double that, if in the future NZF receive the same FIFA cash for the FFs making Womens World Cups
OFC qualifying is over quick in only 3 windows thank god
I mean the Socceroos hosted Saudi for a scoreless draw, so it’s not all excitement in AFC
Losing out on money from guaranteed WC appearances would be offset by getting regular home games vs competitive opposition (we would be wanting to be spending some of that money to get decent home friendlies if the only competitive games we get are in OFC) and a slice of the associated broadcasting pie. And at the end of the day that gravy train will come to an end one way or another, nothing in the world is free and it is not realistic or sustainable to expect to get such unearned windfalls for long. So I'd like to see us try to leverage these circumstances into something more competitively ideal.
The move to AFC debate has been done to death, but no business (and NZF is a business) is going to walk away from an almost guaranteed $US10M every 4 years (maybe $US20M if the Football Ferns earn the same).
NZF got $US8M with the AWs qualifying in 2010, and is no reason to see FIFA not doing these big WC qualification payouts ongoing. That 2010 windfall plus Mexican TV rights cash in 2013 has basically kept NZF afloat the last 14 odd years.
FIFA are filthy rich. They have cash reserves of nearly $USD4 billion. Paying each of the 48 qualified nations $USD10M ($14.4M approx), ain't a huge outlay for them. No doubt the expanded 48 team WC (from 32 teams) means a big big increase in media rights revenue and sponsorship dollars for FIFA, with more games/product to televise. A 40 game increase from 2022 (64 to 104) to 2026.
People complain on here about things like poor camera coverage of the national league, our age group national teams going to World Cups with no friendlies/camps/tours prior, low quality cheap national team coaches, and a multitude of other stuff it seems NZF currently don't have any serious cash to throw at.
$NZ16M/$32M every 4 years is a game changer. Absolute game changer, for cash strapped NZF.
Trying to have the AWs or Ferns qualify through AFC puts that windfall at serious risk. Though yeah the womens game is mostly piss weak in West Asia/Middle East, so the Ferns would likely still qualify for WWCs I'm guessing.
But yeah I imagine Pragnell & NZF really want to stay in OFC, and I don't blame them. And with OFC qualifying being completed in only 3 windows this cycle (and the AWs playing 4 of their 5 games at home), it ain't that bad. Especially if nations like Japan, Sth Korea, or even Aussie could be enticed to visit NZ from September window next year, for some friendlies. As may yet happen with 6 AFC teams having finished their WC qualifying by June next year, having already qualified for Nth America 2026.
Edit - see in the below article NZF have to split these big FIFA qualification payouts with the players. But still the cash is critical to NZF driving the code forward in a positive direction, and unleasing the sport's potential in NZ.
Lastly I think having a 2nd NZ ALM team, and 2-3 big derbies each season now in NZ, goes a long way to replacing those big Bahrain/Mexico/Peru playoff games that are seemingly lost forever. Certainly gives football some high exposure a few extra times each summer now.
It's one reason why Pragnell is so keen now on a 3rd A League club out of Christchurch. Then the sport has a truly nationwide professional footprint, and those 3 clubs become your main high quality week in week out promotion of the code. Football fans outside of Auckland, then ain't so upset if they only rarely see the AWs in the flesh. Different to rugby where it's heavily the All Blacks on a annual nationwide roadshow, as the sport's big shop window.
New Zealand Football received US$8 million ($13m) for their efforts in South Africa in 2010, where Ricki Herbert’s team managed draws with Slovakia, Italy and Paraguay. Even after the players’ share was deducted (around 40%) it was a massive windfall,which funded the sport (and both the All Whites and Football Ferns international programmes) for many years.
The rewards in 2026 will be even greater. Participating nations at the last World Cup in Qatar received a minimum of US$9m ($14.7m) and that is expected to rise, given Fifa has already committed to a 20% increase in the total fund allocated to prizemoney and the compensation payments to clubs, from US$750m in Qatar to US$896m in 2026.
It’s predicted to be in excess of US$10m ($16.33m), along with at least US$1m for preparation costs ahead of the tournament for qualified nations. On top of that there are the new sponsorship and commerical deals – NZF gained several new sponsors leading into 2010 – along with the priceless exposure, the opportunities to play high profile preparation matches and the gravitas.
Bit of a mixed up accent?? NZ/USA/now UK. Softly spoken but bit of steel to this kid I suspect. Hence captaining Reading at 19.
“That’s what it’s all about. We play for them” 🫶🇳🇿
Tyler Bindon reflects on scoring his first goal for the All Whites in NZ and the incredible support in Hamilton last night 🗣️ pic.twitter.com/c6kLwjT7Yu
With the exception of Alex Rufer, do you think we will see a completely new starting eleven verses Samoa?
I wouldn't want to see Barbarouses or Payne if there are any remaining niggly injury concerns that could affect them being able to turn out for the Nix next weekend. But otherwise I would expect a raft of changes, and I'm picking 7 - Paulsen, Surman, Pijnaker, Singh, Bell, McCowatt & Waine to come in to starting XI.
Would have gone de Vries in at LB too, but I just get the feeling Cacace wants to play every game he can for us, regardless of opposition. That, and you cant put your two highest profile players on the bench from the outset (purely from a fan standpoint) I know it's only Samoa, but the people turning up are going to want to see the big guns playing.
I'm not even going to go into tactics/formations on this one. As some have already said, the National League sides would beat these guys.
yes I would expect those 7 to get a start against Samoa. Was good to see Singh get his goal and an assist, though I thought he over hit his cross a tad but McCowatt managed to get to it. Want to see him get a start, show his fitness and skill and prove he is back. His club can then start him regularly and get the best from him. Given the weather and it's hamilton 10.5 k was good. Game drifted a bit in second half and I thought Vanuatu went through a patch where they tried to slow it down with substitutions and continual stops for injuries. once our subs started to come on the intensity came back to our play
Lets just hope that Pragnell and co are able to mabnage the windfall well and we improve football across the cournty.
Slightly off topic, but NZF could be in for a windfall couple of years seeing as they will apparently get a decent cut of Auckland City's CWC money too.
Heady times for a likely moneyed up football organisation in this country.
i got the impression from Baze's pre tour comments that Singh was not close to being fit enough to startdick le roc returns
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With the exception of Alex Rufer, do you think we will see a completely new starting eleven verses Samoa?
I wouldn't want to see Barbarouses or Payne if there are any remaining niggly injury concerns that could affect them being able to turn out for the Nix next weekend. But otherwise I would expect a raft of changes, and I'm picking 7 - Paulsen, Surman, Pijnaker, Singh, Bell, McCowatt & Waine to come in to starting XI.
Would have gone de Vries in at LB too, but I just get the feeling Cacace wants to play every game he can for us, regardless of opposition. That, and you cant put your two highest profile players on the bench from the outset (purely from a fan standpoint) I know it's only Samoa, but the people turning up are going to want to see the big guns playing.
I'm not even going to go into tactics/formations on this one. As some have already said, the National League sides would beat these guys.
yes I would expect those 7 to get a start against Samoa. Was good to see Singh get his goal and an assist, though I thought he over hit his cross a tad but McCowatt managed to get to it. Want to see him get a start, show his fitness and skill and prove he is back. His club can then start him regularly and get the best from him. Given the weather and it's hamilton 10.5 k was good. Game drifted a bit in second half and I thought Vanuatu went through a patch where they tried to slow it down with substitutions and continual stops for injuries. once our subs started to come on the intensity came back to our play
Yes it all sounded when the squad was announced Singh was still a way off being fully fit. Similar maybe to how Rojas is only just now, getting close to starting with the Nix.
But hey it's Samoa, it will be the lowest level oppostion Sarpreet has faced since he was playing Handy Prem with the Weenix. Might be more a case of can he keep up with his own very fit AW team mates, from the start playing an up tempo quick passing game!
His delivery at set pieces seems fine, but from open play he either plays the ball backwards, or crosses into the shins of the first defender. Doesn't seem terribly mobile either, with a very upright stance in his running.
Obviously, he's our number 1 at number 3, but hmmmmm......there's a few pieces short of a jigsaw at the moment.
Pretty wasteful in patches. But maybe that’s just me predicting 10+ goals
If Waine starts against the part timer Samoans he needs fill his boots. He got a bit frustrated not getting the ball when he wanted it today
But in summary we learn very little about the AWs from these games. Thank god it’s all over in 3 windows
Paladin too much hyperbole. Leave that for leeeague
Without Koltak it would have been well over 10 goals. He's a very good player, I feel as if he had been picked up in the A-League earlier he'd be playing at a much higher level. With that said, clinical when we needed to be and considering it was only a few months ago that we put 4 and 3 past the same team, was a good showing by a talented NZ side.
You can blame the Nix for that. Playing in NZ for years but continually ignored by us.
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Yes but it was nice to see us give an Oceanian opponent a proper battering for the first time in a long time. I remember a 6-1 featuring a Chris Wood hattrick in Albany a few years back but this was on another level to that.
I'd honestly like to see us keep doing this, to make it untenable for FIFA to leave us marooned in Oceania the way we are. A lot of countries will start to complain that we get a World Cup spot by beating every team we play by 3 or more every single time, and that might actually make something happen, something like the top 2 Oceania teams getting to participate in a final stage of AFC qualifying or something like that.
More likely demand OFC lose auto qualification. Again.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
Re Bindon: Top bloke I've run in to a few times at the Euro games. Completely towers over me (just like his mum and dad).
While Reading is a good level for him currently, I really hope he gets a move to a Championship club soon. He will be starting for us at the '26 WC as probably our best CB so we need him to be playing as high as possible.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
His delivery at set pieces seems fine, but from open play he either plays the ball backwards, or crosses into the shins of the first defender. Doesn't seem terribly mobile either, with a very upright stance in his running.
Obviously, he's our number 1 at number 3, but hmmmmm......there's a few pieces short of a jigsaw at the moment.
