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It's official!
ACFC supporters are cretins.
ACFC supporters are cretins.
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That's unfair, only a few are actually cretins. It's pretty f**king funny though.
Can't wait 'til Hard News reads it...
Can't wait 'til Hard News reads it...
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I don't think HN will read this. He isn't at all interested in local football you know?
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Isn't local football in wellington, Australian football? Since Geographically we are Australian. I thought HN was well into that. He loves ALL Australian players...Hates them NZ poofs though.
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Oh come on, this is simple.. if you don't support ACFC, then the terrorists win.
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It's Bin Hamman not Bin Laden.
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Cretins? Dont see how my comment was wrong at all. How about proper explanations, instead of pointless one-liners and just as pointless pictures.
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Or you could just go back and read the same tired arguments in this and various other threads over the last couple of years.
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I never cease to be amused how this exact same thing happens every time. Someone who has been a City supporter for weeks turns up and tells us about NZ football, like they are the new messiah for NZ football. Not someone brainwashed last week by the knitting circle. The best of all though is how they never read the responses made to them, as their points are repeatedly picked apart they ignore it completely.
Run along Chris, you are so far out of your league it's laughable. As I've said before at least Phil's rantings are consistent and he has a moderately credible base of loyalty when he pops in to amuse us with his inaccurate rantings. He's also generally intelligible.
Meanwhile I'll continue supporting "just some foreign Aussie league" and ignoring " NZ football (at least in some form - such as getting a few thousand supporters out to Team Welly too"
Run along Chris, you are so far out of your league it's laughable. As I've said before at least Phil's rantings are consistent and he has a moderately credible base of loyalty when he pops in to amuse us with his inaccurate rantings. He's also generally intelligible.
Meanwhile I'll continue supporting "just some foreign Aussie league" and ignoring " NZ football (at least in some form - such as getting a few thousand supporters out to Team Welly too"
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After all, the best NZ players didn't come through the Phoenix but rather through the national league and overseas leagues first.
Oh, I see. So, for example, Bertos, Rojas, Brown and Musa don't count because they played in a national league team first? So the Phoenix would have to actually pluck some 14 year old out of a school first XI to actually be developing players according to this twisted logic?
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"The best of all though is how they never read the responses made to them, as their points are repeatedly picked apart they ignore it completely." Please pick apart my first post today. How is it wrong that ACFC fans dislike how NZ Football supports the Phoenix more than teams like Waikato and Manawatu, which already have and has more potential to identify our youth footballers? Please tell me what good Phoenix has done for NZ in relation to new talent?
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Um Rojas. You could even kind of say we gave Kosta a contract (unsure how much this may or may not have contributed to him getting a contract at Brisbane, its all theoretical). Not to mention the classic example of bringing smeltz back, who is now a star for the AWs - that wouldn't have happened in the NZFC.
Its not like we've been around forever to develop players, but we've got a start now, and NZF see the potential to bring players through and are helping to fund that.
As Doloras said (which you not surprisingly ignored),we aren't exactly going to sign up 14 year olds. There is however a youth side, which, yes NZF do fund. Its more that your claims are a bit...um...how do I put this nicely...off the mark...NZF hardly fund the phoenix...They invest in a youth side that tours and plays NZFC sides,which generates money for them...the phoenix also add a few senior guys to help with the development,and make the side competitive.
It also gives those guys a chance at being seen regularly for a view of a professional contract.
Win win I'd have thought, and obviously NZF think so too. So really your problem is with the funding of a youth team, rather than the phoenix as a club...take that up with NZF, not us....
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@Doloras - So if Rojas hadn't got picked up by Waikato, Phoenix wouldn't be near him. Same if Sigmund hadn't been to Canterbury Utd and Auckland City. And wheres the thanks for the local league? Surely Phoenix should repay the league somehow, by promoting it for example.
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Plus, without the Phoenix these stars would still rise. US scholarships and the MLS would be fine and has been successful.
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Promoting it by having this forum, with regular schedules for the NZFC and results? By having similar things on the phoenix website?
By touring the country with the B side, playing NZFC sides? By going to schools during preseason friendlies promoting the game in the country? Taking A league games around the country, promoting the sport in the country, meaning more players take up football, so more of a talent pool for the NZFC to choose from?
What you describe is actually a perfect set up for football in this country. NZFC develop players, the phoenix pick the best and give them a contract to start their pro careers and perhaps go on to better things, play for the all whites. Again, I don't see the problem.
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Plus, without the Phoenix these stars would still rise. US scholarships and the MLS would be fine and has been successful.
Yes but the phoenix offer yet another way for these stars to rise. Professional scouts closer to home. Not every talent is going to make it in the MLS. Some may not even be seen, slip through the cracks. Some NZ players may struggle overseas, they can come back here and kickstart their careers - smeltz.
Again, where is the downside to having an extra pathway to professional football thats much closer to home than the USA,and has more interest in developing NZ talent. Please tell me because I really don't know what you're trying to say here.
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Phoenix match day advertisement? Not many know about the local league around New Zealand, so the B side is ruled out as advertisement. I hopped onto the Auckland boat a few months ago ASAP, as soon as I found at we had a team which I could support. Maybe the least they can do, is put the weeks fixtures up at half time after the stats on tv, and on the big screens at the game too.
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ACFC supporters are cretins.
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@Doloras - So if Rojas hadn't got picked up by Waikato, Phoenix wouldn't be near him.
You are aware how Marco ended up at the Phoenix aren't you?
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So if Rojas hadn't got picked up by Waikato, Phoenix wouldn't be near him.
No, this very fanbase picked up Rojas. Poor little Judas would probably still be knocking goals past Spoonley and Imray for petrol money if you had your wish and Buffy had never come to Sunnydale, er, I mean, the Nix had never existed.
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Phoenix match day advertisement? Not many know about the local league around New Zealand, so the B side is ruled out as advertisement. I hopped onto the Auckland boat a few months ago ASAP, as soon as I found at we had a team which I could support. Maybe the least they can do, is put the weeks fixtures up at half time after the stats on tv, and on the big screens at the game too. [/QUOTE]
Not many know about the local league around New Zealand, so the B side is ruled out as advertisement.
Which is exactly why the phoenix playing these sides is hoped to raise awareness of the league. How is that not helping?
[quote] Maybe the least they can do, is put the weeks fixtures up at half time after the stats on tv, and on the big screens at the game too.
On tv? Seriously? You think the phoenix own sky or something?
As for better advertising at the game. I have bought this up before, and wondered why it doesnt happen.
I remember there being some good reasons as to why it couldn't. Someone else can maybe jump in there as I can't really remember why.
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James Musa
U20's
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U20's
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Plus, without the Phoenix these stars would still rise. US scholarships and the MLS would be fine and has been successful.
Hmmm. And without the ASB Premiership stars would still rise too. So, brilliant logic! Let's abolish the ASBPrem! You do know, don't you, that your beloved ACFC is an artifical franchise team propped up by NZ football to compensate for not having a proper national league, don't we?
If you had any credibility you'd be supporting a REAL NZ National League comprising coalface Kiwi sides like Central United, ECB, Miramar Rangers etc.
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Thankyou for your last post Tegal. I understand what you mean.
There are many scouts around too such as that Oceania scout for Man U who has spotted a few NZ players. Personally, I would prefer if we awarded the best U20 players a US scholarship in return for some partnership where they can sponsor some facilities and help develop the local league. The US has a bigger market, but they are also new to soccer and can help out in some growth areas.
There are many scouts around too such as that Oceania scout for Man U who has spotted a few NZ players. Personally, I would prefer if we awarded the best U20 players a US scholarship in return for some partnership where they can sponsor some facilities and help develop the local league. The US has a bigger market, but they are also new to soccer and can help out in some growth areas.
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James Musa
U20's
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U20's
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I'll ignore that as it detracts from my point of view
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If you had any credibility you'd be supporting a REAL NZ National League comprising coalface Kiwi sides like Central United, ECB, Miramar Rangers etc.
or MAP?
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Phoenix match day advertisement? Not many know about the local league around New Zealand, so the B side is ruled out as advertisement.
Plenty of people know about the local leagues (you may not be aware but there is a whole world of football in this country, not just the Phoenix and the ASB Premiership) they just choose not to attend. Just like they chose not to attend when half the Auckland City fan base supported the Kingz, and just like they didn't when half the Auckland City fanbase supported the Knights. Many of the same people that now claim the Phoenix is killing the game, but it's not about the fact that it's not their toy anymore apparently.
Just like before there was any New Zealand side in an Australian competition. To re-write history and claim that the Phoenix is the death of local football is inaccurate and ill-informed.
Anyway back in a while I have to a few things that don't involve supporting the game in New Zealand.
Dolores, Tegal. Term I'll tag you back in.
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If you had any credibility you'd be supporting a REAL NZ National League comprising coalface Kiwi sides like Central United, ECB, Miramar Rangers etc.
or MAP?
Well, we are totally CREAMING it in the NRFL Div 2 this year.
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James Musa U20's Just saying [/QUOTE]
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I'll ignore that as it detracts from my point of view
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I'll ignore that as it detracts from my point of view
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Thankyou for your last post Tegal. I understand what you mean.
There are many scouts around too such as that Oceania scout for Man U who has spotted a few NZ players. Personally, I would prefer if we awarded the best U20 players a US scholarship in return for some partnership where they can sponsor some facilities and help develop the local league. The US has a bigger market, but they are also new to soccer and can help out in some growth areas.
How would that deal work.
There are many scouts around too such as that Oceania scout for Man U who has spotted a few NZ players. Personally, I would prefer if we awarded the best U20 players a US scholarship in return for some partnership where they can sponsor some facilities and help develop the local league. The US has a bigger market, but they are also new to soccer and can help out in some growth areas.
They give a NZ player a scholarship. and in return they sponsor some of our facilities?
sounds like a one sided deal to me...we get all the gain and they get nothing...
They'd probably think "OR we could just give him the scholarship if we spot him and he is good enough"
That top player would get the scholarship anyway more than likely, so while it sounds all nice, it isn't exactly a stunning plan. And again, has nothing to do with the phoenix.
As i said, there ARE scouts around,yes. But it doesn't exactly hurt to have a privately funded club in NZ that scouts these players out on a weekly basis, and actually has an interest in developing NZ talent.
I feel like I just repeated myself. Did I just repeat myself? I feel like I just repeated myself.
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Phoenix match day advertisement? Not many know about the local league around New Zealand, so the B side is ruled out as advertisement. I hopped onto the Auckland boat a few months ago ASAP, as soon as I found at we had a team which I could support. Maybe the least they can do, is put the weeks fixtures up at half time after the stats on tv, and on the big screens at the game too.
Honestly, you'd have to be living under a rock, or a mansion in Pakistan, not to know there isn't a local national league. I don't follow basketball, netball, ice hockey, and a host of other sports, yet I still know there are national leagues in them. And if you were interested in those sports then it only takes a split second to google it and find out. I think people over estimate how much advertising can attract the punters. If people cant be f**ked going, then they can't be f**ked going. No amount of adverting is going to change that.
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Phoenix match day advertisement? Not many know about the local league around New Zealand, so the B side is ruled out as advertisement.
Anyway back in a while I have to a few things that don't involve supporting the game in New Zealand.
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If you had any credibility you'd be supporting a REAL NZ National League comprising coalface Kiwi sides like Central United, ECB, Miramar Rangers etc.
or MAP?
Well, we are totally CREAMING it in the NRFL Div 2 this year.
I have hopped onto the MAP boat a few minutes ago ASAP, as soon as I found at we had a team which was winningI could support.
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Thankyou for your last post Tegal. I understand what you mean. There are many scouts around too such as that Oceania scout for Man U who has spotted a few NZ players. Personally, I would prefer if we awarded the best U20 players a US scholarship in return for some partnership where they can sponsor some facilities and help develop the local league. The US has a bigger market, but they are also new to soccer and can help out in some growth areas.
How would that deal work.
They give a NZ player a scholarship. and in return they sponsor some of our facilities?
sounds like a one sided deal to me...we get all the gain and they get nothing...
They'd probably think "OR we could just give him the scholarship if we spot him and he is good enough"
That top player would get the scholarship anyway more than likely, so while it sounds all nice, it isn't exactly a stunning plan. And again, has nothing to do with the phoenix.
As i said, there ARE scouts around,yes. But it doesn't exactly hurt to have a privately funded club in NZ that scouts these players out on a weekly basis, and actually has an interest in developing NZ talent.
I feel like I just repeated myself. Did I just repeat myself? I feel like I just repeated myself.
Come on, spit it out. What do you really mean?
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If you had any credibility you'd be supporting a REAL NZ National League comprising coalface Kiwi sides like Central United, ECB, Miramar Rangers etc.
or MAP?
Well, we are totally CREAMING it in the NRFL Div 2 this year.
I have hopped onto the MAP boat a few minutes ago ASAP, as soon as I found at we had a team which was winningI could support.
We're having most of our home fixtures under lights on Friday nights. Tell me if you're ever at Anderson Park and I'll buy a cider. Ooh, and here's a great idea - let's start a MAP Knitting Circle which complains about the existence of the fake franchise clubs like ACFC and Waitak United taking attention and money away from coalface Kiwi football...
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Ok, sounds good Dolorasovich
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This was a somewhat amusing episode feeding the troll. I just had a peek over at it's natural habitat and sadly the longest thread is about the new ACFC fan group. Half of the posts were by Footpaul.
Sad and bitter.
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Thankyou for your last post Tegal. I understand what you mean. There are many scouts around too such as that Oceania scout for Man U who has spotted a few NZ players. Personally, I would prefer if we awarded the best U20 players a US scholarship in return for some partnership where they can sponsor some facilities and help develop the local league. The US has a bigger market, but they are also new to soccer and can help out in some growth areas.
How would that deal work.
They give a NZ player a scholarship. and in return they sponsor some of our facilities?
sounds like a one sided deal to me...we get all the gain and they get nothing...
They'd probably think "OR we could just give him the scholarship if we spot him and he is good enough"
That top player would get the scholarship anyway more than likely, so while it sounds all nice, it isn't exactly a stunning plan. And again, has nothing to do with the phoenix.
As i said, there ARE scouts around,yes. But it doesn't exactly hurt to have a privately funded club in NZ that scouts these players out on a weekly basis, and actually has an interest in developing NZ talent.
I feel like I just repeated myself. Did I just repeat myself? I feel like I just repeated myself.
Come on, spit it out. What do you really mean?
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Don't forget that they are racist as well Dolores. League deliberately formed to exclude good ethnic clubs like the Bubbles, Central, Bay Olympic... coalface football, good honest football.
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