ASB Charity Cup match finished up 3-2 to Auckland City FC two first half goals to Feneridis Vicelich and one second half goal to Koprivcic whilst goals to Waitakere went to Allan Pearce and Tim Myers both in the second half maskedavenger2011-10-16 17:55:48
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How good are these spanish guys? Their CV's are rather impressive.
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If they were that impressive, they wouldn't be playing here in a footballing backwater called NZ.
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I don't know a lot about the Spanish guys but I've seen a lot of Emi Tade and he's a class finisher, scored 38 goals in winter this year and a few for TW last year where most his appearances were off the bench. Only 23 too.
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If they were that impressive, they wouldn't be playing here in a footballing backwater called NZ.
Well that's what i thought
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If they were that impressive, they wouldn't be playing here in a footballing backwater called NZ.
Well that's what i thought
Well if they are not that great how do you some up new zealand talent then?!. The imports are standouts in this competition yet your saying they aren't that good. Exposito is of high quality, Berlanga apart from last years final was outstanding and nearly got a Nix contract. I haven't seen the new lad yet but im sure we will see his quality.
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So not good enough for the A League...
I think you've just proved my point.
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The imports are standouts in this competition
Allan Pearce, Andy Bevin and Dakota Lucas might have a thing or two to say about that.Fuck this stupid game
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^This
The imports here are not quality cause if they were, they would be elsewhere. They just get paid a lot and because the level is not high, they look quality. If you were to cobble together a list of former imports that you would put into your 'quality category' you would find they were at Auckland City (Jordan and Lee) It wasn't for the pint and pie after the game.
An example closer to your home Greyhound is ask what level Chad Coombes played after his stand out year where he got an All White call up. Non League English football. Quality.....
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So not good enough for the A League...
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I think you've just proved my point.
But good enough to comfortably beat an A-League side though!!
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So as part of a team that can beat an A League side, he's not good enough for that level on his own.
Quality...
(the score line doesn't actually reflect the game but you won it so fair play)
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The scoreline did reflect the game but hey dont let the truth get in the way of your bitterness
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Firstly i dont rate Chad Coombes and cant understand his All Whites call up that he received.
Top Left i never said their wasn't other quality in the league. However if you are going to name names please name players of value. Pearce has never really stood out against quality opposition sure he does well against the likes of Otago etc. Dakota runs round like a headless chook, not smart enough to be a quality player. Bevin however is a player i rate, very good on the ball, makes good decisions and can finish, definite player for the future.
Jeff so your saying who wouldn't have the Spanish imports in your side? Exposito debuts same day as Messi...yeah your right he must be some mug.
Why cant we embrace imports, they have lifted the quality of the league. I think it is a jealousy thing because the other clubs outside of Auckland cannot attract quality players and must reley on grassroots players to get them through. Which i am not saying is a bad thing at all. But lets give credit where its due.
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Top Left i never said their wasn't other quality in the league. However if you are going to name names please name players of value. Pearce has never really stood out against quality opposition sure he does well against the likes of Otago etc. Dakota runs round like a headless chook, not smart enough to be a quality player. Bevin however is a player i rate, very good on the ball, makes good decisions and can finish, definite player for the future.
Jeff so your saying who wouldn't have the Spanish imports in your side? Exposito debuts same day as Messi...yeah your right he must be some mug.
Why cant we embrace imports, they have lifted the quality of the league. I think it is a jealousy thing because the other clubs outside of Auckland cannot attract quality players and must reley on grassroots players to get them through. Which i am not saying is a bad thing at all. But lets give credit where its due.
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Why cant we embrace imports, they have lifted the quality of the league. I think it is a jealousy thing because the other clubs outside of Auckland cannot attract quality players and must reley on grassroots players to get them through. Which i am not saying is a bad thing at all. But lets give credit where its due.Cheers
Aren't those imports simply taking away the opportunities from local players in the top national competition?
If our best young players are being brushed aside in favour of imports, where else are they supposed to go?
Plus, why should I care to watch some random Spanish guys kick a ball around, when I can watch top Spanish players on TV every week? I'd much rather watch local players and hopefully see them blossom into good players.
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Why cant we embrace imports, they have lifted the quality of the league. I think it is a jealousy thing because the other clubs outside of Auckland cannot attract quality players and must reley on grassroots players to get them through. Which i am not saying is a bad thing at all. But lets give credit where its due.Cheers
Aren't those imports simply taking away the opportunities from local players in the top national competition?
If our best young players are being brushed aside in favour of imports, where else are they supposed to go?
Plus, why should I care to watch some random Spanish guys kick a ball around, when I can watch top Spanish players on TV every week? I'd much rather watch local players and hopefully see them blossom into good players.
But i believe our youngsters and home grown players are getting better playing and training alongside these imported players.It is beneficial not only for the league but New Zealand Football Every league in the world has imports. Why do we always moan in this country?!
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Greyhound2011-10-20 18:07:11
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No one is moaning, they are just challenging your assertions.
Disagreeing with you doesn't automatically make someone a whiner.
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Top Left i never said their wasn't other quality in the league. However if you are going to name names please name players of value. Pearce has never really stood out against quality opposition� sure he does well against the likes of Otago etc. Dakota runs round like a headless chook, not smart enough to be a quality player. Bevin however is a player i rate, very good on the ball, makes good decisions and can finish, definite player for the future.
Yeah I wouldn't say they are the top three local players in the league (although I do rate Bevin very highly also) but I simply named those three because of their prolific scoring last year, using those stats because otherwise we could just argue who our opinion-based-favourites are. In saying that I'm sure we could mostly agree on who has promise to go further than ASBP or not but I can't be arsed going there.
For the record, I personally think imports are good for the league. To a point. The main reason anyone on here criticizes what ACFC are doing is because they are taking the miki out of the hearty ACFC fans who have time and time again rubbished the Phoenix and it's purpose within NZ football. It's not something we've conjured up because ACFC are doing well because of it, it's a reaction and a piss take.
Viva la Espa�ol!!
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I think it is a jealousy thing because the other clubs outside of Auckland cannot attract quality players and must reley on grassroots players to get them through. Which i am not saying is a bad thing at all. But lets give credit where its due.
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Why give Auckland credit for paying players in an amateur league?
A dog with a bone :)
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So not good enough for the A League...
I think you've just proved my point.
But good enough to comfortably beat an A-League side though!!
And CCM beat Celtic, so they must be SPL quality.
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So not good enough for the A League...
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I think you've just proved my point.
But good enough to comfortably beat an A-League side though!!
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The ascertions I am challenging are that they are quality. If these guys were quality then they would not be in this league. Its the same people that think that Mulligan and Clapham should be playing at the Phoenix. They are not, because they are not good enough. Berlanga is a good player at this level but to say he is quality, yet can't get an A League contract, well thats a rather obvious contradiction.
Lets be honest, those players are not here for anything other than a pay day, a CWC trip and to at least be a 'name' in a nothing league. Anywhere else in the world, they'd be also rans.
And before you say thats crap, again, they are in this league and not elsewhere and its not out of season in Europe.
Lets be honest, those players are not here for anything other than a pay day, a CWC trip and to at least be a 'name' in a nothing league. Anywhere else in the world, they'd be also rans.
And before you say thats crap, again, they are in this league and not elsewhere and its not out of season in Europe.
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The scoreline did reflect the game but hey dont let the truth get in the way of your bitterness
I'm not bitter.
Objectively, they had more of the possession, and looked better with it. Its hard to say it was productive because they only got one shot on goal that Spoonley had to work for. As for their keeper, he didn't really have to work either. They did have a ton of offsides though through Matt Simon and 1 disallowed for offside.
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Jordybean was on the flag.
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Firstly i dont rate Chad Coombes and cant understand his All Whites call up that he received.
Top Left i never said their wasn't other quality in the league. However if you are going to name names please name players of value. Pearce has never really stood out against quality opposition sure he does well against the likes of Otago etc. Dakota runs round like a headless chook, not smart enough to be a quality player. Bevin however is a player i rate, very good on the ball, makes good decisions and can finish, definite player for the future.
Jeff so your saying who wouldn't have the Spanish imports in your side? Exposito debuts same day as Messi...yeah your right he must be some mug.
Why cant we embrace imports, they have lifted the quality of the league. I think it is a jealousy thing because the other clubs outside of Auckland cannot attract quality players and must reley on grassroots players to get them through. Which i am not saying is a bad thing at all. But lets give credit where its due.
Cheers
Top Left i never said their wasn't other quality in the league. However if you are going to name names please name players of value. Pearce has never really stood out against quality opposition sure he does well against the likes of Otago etc. Dakota runs round like a headless chook, not smart enough to be a quality player. Bevin however is a player i rate, very good on the ball, makes good decisions and can finish, definite player for the future.
Jeff so your saying who wouldn't have the Spanish imports in your side? Exposito debuts same day as Messi...yeah your right he must be some mug.
Why cant we embrace imports, they have lifted the quality of the league. I think it is a jealousy thing because the other clubs outside of Auckland cannot attract quality players and must reley on grassroots players to get them through. Which i am not saying is a bad thing at all. But lets give credit where its due.
Cheers
So you don't rate Chad, but Ricki did. You think your imports are quality, and Ricki doesn't..
So Exposito played for a couple of minutes along side Messi. Whooppie. I could probably name a few All Whites that made their debut alongside Ryan Nelsen in the All Whites, doesn't make them the best footballers in the world. Doing a search for Manuel Exposito doesn't exactly bring up a long list of accolades. He might look good in this league but its probably the only place he will ever look good.
I have no problems with imports in this league but I am not loathe to think they are quality. Its certainly not jealously but I can at least look objectively at where our national league sits in the global landscape. I could also make a case in point that even with these 'quality imports including one that stood near Messi on the same pitchi' you are not even the best team in NZ because you can't win the local competition but again, take an objective look at the landscape.
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Dont believe everything Herbert tells you
the guys a mug not very often i agree with
Danny Hay but he's right when he says that
Herbert is forever gonna live off a Rory Fallon header
and the leadership of Nelsen
And maybe you should do a search for Manel Exposito not manuel!
the guys a mug not very often i agree with
Danny Hay but he's right when he says that
Herbert is forever gonna live off a Rory Fallon header
and the leadership of Nelsen
And maybe you should do a search for Manel Exposito not manuel!
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Typical response!! If you dont like it dont read it
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Pretty much HN
As expected, he didn't play anywhere that counted. His 'Barcelona' stint was in the B team.
Quality...
As expected, he didn't play anywhere that counted. His 'Barcelona' stint was in the B team.
Quality...
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Dont believe everything Herbert tells you
the guys a mug not very often i agree with
Danny Hay but he's right when he says that
Herbert is forever gonna live off a Rory Fallon header
and the leadership of Nelsen
And maybe you should do a search for Manel Exposito not manuel!
the guys a mug not very often i agree with
Danny Hay but he's right when he says that
Herbert is forever gonna live off a Rory Fallon header
and the leadership of Nelsen
And maybe you should do a search for Manel Exposito not manuel!
Please enlighten me whom you think should be the All Whites coach. You guys have chased every ACFC coach out of town that wasn't a Central holy entrail.
Jeff Vader2011-10-20 22:39:21
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Lets be honest, those players are not here for anything other than a pay day, a CWC trip and to at least be a 'name' in a nothing league.
There's a lot of truth in that statement*
Team Wellington is the real home of coal-face football in NZ.
*Let's be very clear that ACFC's players are not paid to play, however, but to coach children who live in the local community 'served' by the Trillion Trust's gaming machines.
terminator_x2011-10-20 22:42:49
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Besides Jordy, you've got Andrew Milne on your books. He played at Rangers, one of the bigger and better known teams in Europe. Surely you guys are building the team around him being a very successful young Kiwi talent that made it at Rangers. After all, thats the ACFC ideal, grassroots New Zealand Football. Why don't you trumpet the fact that he played at Rangers...
Before you answer, I'll help you out. Because we both know its horsesh*t. If you actually came out and said 'We're looking to win at whatever cost' you actually might get a lot more respect rather than the horsesh*t front you put up now. If you guys also stopped telling everyone how good you guys think you are, you actually might have other people on board telling you how good you are. Think about it.
Before you answer, I'll help you out. Because we both know its horsesh*t. If you actually came out and said 'We're looking to win at whatever cost' you actually might get a lot more respect rather than the horsesh*t front you put up now. If you guys also stopped telling everyone how good you guys think you are, you actually might have other people on board telling you how good you are. Think about it.
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Dont believe everything Herbert tells you
the guys a mug not very often i agree with
Danny Hay but he's right when he says that
Herbert is forever gonna live off a Rory Fallon header
and the leadership of Nelsen
And maybe you should do a search for Manel Exposito not manuel!
the guys a mug not very often i agree with
Danny Hay but he's right when he says that
Herbert is forever gonna live off a Rory Fallon header
and the leadership of Nelsen
And maybe you should do a search for Manel Exposito not manuel!
There are 10 A-League teams so I am sure if these guys are good enough someone will take a look at them. I can't comment on ability because I haven't seen them play but football being football someone will be letting the big guns in Aussie know if there is something to be seen here.
Ricky does not have all the answers that is for certain. I think recruitment of midfield players is his weak point. But you have to admit that the fact that these guys have ended up in NZ MUST say something about how their careers have turned out? If you were a hit overseas it would be an odd move to pack it in and come down here
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What if the Trillion Trust is offering you mega-pesos to run a school holiday coaching programme for the youth of Sandringham though?
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A question - would ACFC fans like all of their players to be signed up by A-League clubs to vindicate them in how good these players actually are, or would they prefer to keep them and then win the NZFC, O-League etc?
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Ricky does not have all the answers that is for certain. I think recruitment of midfield players is his weak point. But you have to admit that the fact that these guys have ended up in NZ MUST say something about how their careers have turned out? If you were a hit overseas it would be an odd move to pack it in and come down here
Recruitment or playing of them? He did well to get wee-mac on board but then never used him. He would have been a better fit in SA
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Better fit than who? Ivan? Si Elliott?
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Ricky does not have all the answers that is for certain. I think recruitment of midfield players is his weak point. But you have to admit that the fact that these guys have ended up in NZ MUST say something about how their careers have turned out? If you were a hit overseas it would be an odd move to pack it in and come down here
Recruitment or playing of them? He did well to get wee-mac on board but then never used him. He would have been a better fit in SA
Both - recruitment I was really meaning for the phoenix.
The fact that McGlinchey didn't start both the matches post world cup was odd in the extreme
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Better fit than who? Ivan? Si Elliott?
In the paraguay game we were absolutely crying out for a bit of craft and he brought on brockie
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Agree JD
It is a tough one the midfield recruitment because I find myself asking if he played the right formation for the midfielders he has/had
It is a tough one the midfield recruitment because I find myself asking if he played the right formation for the midfielders he has/had
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