Poor finishing and defence cost you that. The ref was weak as piss for letting their keeper constantly waste time. She was at it from the moment they scored and warned her countless of times. But if that’s an offside, then we may as well give up. No advantage was gained and it ruins the game.
Was an odd crowd, no real chants whatsoever in the first but much improved in the second. Ferns seemed to get a lift from it but just made the wrong call (I.e to take another touch rather than shoot) constantly.
Hard loss to take and generally played reasonably. Definitely tried. Hope you beat Switzerland. Well done to Philippines too.
Or if Switzerland win. Then a draw for us next match might well be enough
Ranix
Or if Switzerland win. Then a draw for us next match might well be enough
Yeah i think Switzerland win tonight (and bigger would be better) is best for us will leave the table as Swi 6 pts +3 GD(assuming 1-0 win) Nzl 3 pts +0 Phl 3 pts - 1 Nwy 0 pts - 2
Switzerland would be practically through (barring a 2 goal loss to us & Philippines beating Norway by 3) While we could still sneak through with a 1-0 loss (and a Norway 1-0 win).
Or if Switzerland win. Then a draw for us next match might well be enough
Ranix
Or if Switzerland win. Then a draw for us next match might well be enough
Yeah i think Switzerland win tonight (and bigger would be better) is best for us will leave the table as Swi 6 pts +3 GD(assuming 1-0 win) Nzl 3 pts +0 Phl 3 pts - 1 Nwy 0 pts - 2
Switzerland would be practically through (barring a 2 goal loss to us & Philippines beating Norway by 3) While we could still sneak through with a 1-0 loss (and a Norway 1-0 win).
And Switzerland likely to rest players if they are pretty much through. Go the Swiss....
Even the VAR graphic shows the defenders hand and arm keep Wilkinson onside...benefit of the doubt surely gotta go with the attackers...ironically I think the Premier League VAR rules this upcoming season would have that as a goal...very frustrating but at the end of the day, we aren't really creating clear chances...it was very messy a lot of the time...they might have just thrown an extra $50,000 away
Stott and Esson very weak for the goal, but I was impressed with how the Philippines strikers were direct and aggressive, right to the end. The Philippines were well organised, and we were frantic. Even though we had the lions share off possession, our final third was poor.
Very impressed with Anton and Bott, they're really good. Steinmetz caught out a few times. Olivia Chance was poor, and Longo MIA.
Hopefully Jale has done enough to start the next match. I'd be tempted to put Leat in too.....Esson's kicking has little power, so I'm only guessing Leat has more oomph. The Philippines keeper had a massive kick on her.
Very unlucky for Hand, twice and Jale. Well done Philipp keeper and the goalscorer. Disappointed with the main game plan of lumping it long all day. We created havoc the couple of times we got behind their fullbacks. Bott's passing was very poor. Bowen tried hard to make a difference. Chance's crosses were poor. Disappointing.
Stott and Esson very weak for the goal, but I was impressed with how the Philippines strikers were direct and aggressive, right to the end. The Philippines were well organised, and we were frantic. Even though we had the lions share off possession, our final third was poor.
Very impressed with Anton and Bott, they're really good. Steinmetz caught out a few times. Olivia Chance was poor, and Longo MIA.
Hopefully Jale has done enough to start the next match. I'd be tempted to put Leat in too.....Esson's kicking has little power, so I'm only guessing Leat has more oomph. The Philippines keeper had a massive kick on her.
The thing that really bothered me most about this match was the complete lack of tactical awareness for Klimkova. The substitutions were bizarre and didn't work in the slightest and there was a complete unwillingness to change anything about the approach when it wasn't working. Crosses only work if you're team is actually good with their heads. Why Jale didn't come on earlier and up front is beyond me.
The other thing is Wilkinson. Yes other players had bad days at the office but the numbers still don't lie, we did actually get the ball up there, she just couldn't do anything with it. Watching her live was fascinating, wrong lines were being run and poor touches a plenty. How the tallest player on the pitch loses the aerial duel against the shortest people group on earth says everything that needs to be said about her quality.
Also what was up with Esson? She absolutely fudgeed it with conceding that goal, very poor, and her goal kicks were constantly terrible often going straight to the opposition.
I thought we looked more like scoring with Jale on the field. Especially in the first half just pumping the long ball/cross to Wilkinson was a bit one dimensional and Philippines often had multiple players on her in the box.
With Philippines sitting deep probably could of had both of them (Jale and Wilkinson) up front and Wilkinson would of got more space.
I thought we looked more like scoring with Jale on the field. Especially in the first half just pumping the long ball/cross to Wilkinson was a bit one dimensional and Philippines often had multiple players on her in the box.
With Philippines sitting deep probably could of had both of them (Jale and Wilkinson) up front and Wilkinson would of got more space.
To be honest, Wilkinson had space and still didn’t use it well. Two free headers she should have at least got on target and quite often went backwards (not on purpose by the looks of it). I was really disappointed in her and not sure if Jale coming on any earlier would have changed it for her. One of those nights?
I think someone else made a good point. Team of individuals today, and this was what I’d seen prior to Auckland. I really didn’t get the long balls, a) they were pretty tall themselves and b) it was clearly failing. Wellington put a stunner on weather wise and they failed to deliver.
Not really sure who I want to win this Norway vs SUI match now...
Under most permutations I can think of we will need to now beat SUI (rather than just draw) to get through since our GD would likely not be good enough (since SUI beat PHL by 2).
Not really sure who I want to win this Norway vs SUI match now...
Under most permutations I can think of we will need to now beat SUI (rather than just draw) to get through since our GD would likely not be good enough (since SUI beat PHL by 2).
We want Swiss to win or Norway to win by 3. Then a draw will prob do it for us
The thing that really bothered me most about this match was the complete lack of tactical awareness for Klimkova. The substitutions were bizarre and didn't work in the slightest and there was a complete unwillingness to change anything about the approach when it wasn't working. Crosses only work if you're team is actually good with their heads. Why Jale didn't come on earlier and up front is beyond me.
The other thing is Wilkinson. Yes other players had bad days at the office but the numbers still don't lie, we did actually get the ball up there, she just couldn't do anything with it. Watching her live was fascinating, wrong lines were being run and poor touches a plenty. How the tallest player on the pitch loses the aerial duel against the shortest people group on earth says everything that needs to be said about her quality.
Also what was up with Esson? She absolutely fudgeed it with conceding that goal, very poor, and her goal kicks were constantly terrible often going straight to the opposition.
Very frustrating but unfortunately not suprising.
We could have played with 3 at the back. We could have run Foster who can deliver better than any of those out there tonight. We could have tried something - anything - cos we never looked like scoring at all. 14 shots, but only the 2 from Hand had the remotest chance of going in. Watch the goal replay, what the hell Stott was doing I dont know, tried to hold the scorer, got on the wrong side of her, and was still in a bad position when the cross came back in.
Not really sure who I want to win this Norway vs SUI match now...
Under most permutations I can think of we will need to now beat SUI (rather than just draw) to get through since our GD would likely not be good enough (since SUI beat PHL by 2).
Not really sure who I want to win this Norway vs SUI match now...
Under most permutations I can think of we will need to now beat SUI (rather than just draw) to get through since our GD would likely not be good enough (since SUI beat PHL by 2).
Not sure I want to see NZ play Spain...
I would. First time we ever make the round of 16, getting to see that historical moment live? Yes please.
The goal we conceded was really disappointing. The only times they looked likely was from free kicks in our half. The free kick initially was a soft call, then Hassett getting out muscled for the second ball to Stott's defending in front of goal for the header to Esson not being able to hang onto it. Bugger. Thought we looked better in the second half after a lack lustre 1st, and created enough to at least get 1 goal. There were some really good passages but no end product. Bott was off her game tonight with numerous stray passes, which didn't help. our midfield were out numbered and struggled at times to make good decisive passes. Substitutes Chance and Longo looked good initially, but showed signs of lack of game time as the half wore on. Easy to criticise though, when Hand hit the inside of the post and HW marginally offside. Could have been a very different narrative. Pretty gutting seeing that now if we had of won against 46th ranked Philippine's, we would be top of the group. But on a positive. Switzerland don't look unbeatable. But it looks like a draw won't be enough.
So if we draw with Switzerland and Philippines draw with Norway we might get through on GD?
I think so. SUI would get through in 1st. We would then be tied with PHL in 2nd but have 1 better GD (they lost by 2 vs SUI).
Most likely Norway win though, which means if we draw vs SUI then Norway would likely get through ahead of us on GD (if they only win by 1 it will go to a goals scored countback, so if we do draw then a high scoring draw is preferable over 0-0 or 1-1).
My issue with VAR when calls are this close is that, it all hangs on what frame they stop at when they make the decision. Judging exactly when the ball leaves the foot of the player making the pass is also very difficult. Should there be some kind of margin of error towards the attacking team. Fans want to see more goals. but VAR decisions are mostly focused on finding a reason not to award a goal. Its counter productive to the enjoyment of the game for a lot of Fans. image.png309.78 KB
My issue with VAR when calls are this close is that, it all hangs on what frame they stop at when they make the decision. Judging exactly when the ball leaves the foot of the player making the pass is also very difficult. Should there be some kind of margin of error towards the attacking team. Fans want to see more goals. but VAR decisions are mostly focused on finding a reason not to award a goal. Its counter productive to the enjoyment of the game for a lot of Fans.
Do you watch games without sound? I only ask because I’ve lost count of how many times they’ve explained how they determine the exact frame the ball is played.
My issue with VAR when calls are this close is that, it all hangs on what frame they stop at when they make the decision. Judging exactly when the ball leaves the foot of the player making the pass is also very difficult. Should there be some kind of margin of error towards the attacking team. Fans want to see more goals. but VAR decisions are mostly focused on finding a reason not to award a goal. Its counter productive to the enjoyment of the game for a lot of Fans. image.png309.78 KB
Great point. If that frame is the one used the ball is already off the ground by a foot (e.g the kick happened at least a frame back, at which point she was likely onside). The angle the 'line' is drawn on makes a massive difference too, especially in the A-League I was often unconvinced about the technology around that been accurate, and not been able to be manipulated by the VAR room.
Something similar to crickets DRS 'umpires call' would works better I think where there has to be a margin. I also hate how they do it off any part of the body, e.g attacking player can be leaning forward a little in their natural running position but feet (even hips) are well behind the defender and still offside.
It makes for less goals/entertainment and takes the excitement out of legit goals.
Combined with the Chris Wood disallowed goal vs CR last year VAR hasn't treated NZ well in big moments.
My issue with VAR when calls are this close is that, it all hangs on what frame they stop at when they make the decision. Judging exactly when the ball leaves the foot of the player making the pass is also very difficult. Should there be some kind of margin of error towards the attacking team. Fans want to see more goals. but VAR decisions are mostly focused on finding a reason not to award a goal. Its counter productive to the enjoyment of the game for a lot of Fans.
Do you watch games without sound? I only ask because I’ve lost count of how many times they’ve explained how they determine the exact frame the ball is played.
No I've never heard it mentioned, but I mostly watch NZ / A league games. My bad if I'm wrong. But I'd like to know, how do they determine it?
Tonight’s game shows it is hard to back it up 5 days later after you have played the game of your lives, to then play against a team there is the expectation that you will beat. Sarina Bowden is no easy beat, she pretty much single- handedly dragged WSW from the bottom up above the Nix. We had 5 ALeague womens players on the pitch tonight. Bowen, Steinmetz, Hassett, Paige Riley and then Jale. Phillipines had Bolden, And 2 or 3 others. We are not playing a short team of Phillipinos. They only have one player in their squad who was born in the Phillipines- a bit like our All Blacks get anyone who has ancestory and will make the team better. I am disappointed that we didn’t have a game plan for this scenario of coming from behind to win. It didn’t seem as though NZ expected to even concede a goal tonight. For the goal Hassett should have cleared the ball, then it looked like Specifically Stott was tasked with Marking Sarina Bolden, so struggled to get back into position to challenge her when Bowen was actually closer to Sarina Bolden in the first place. But credit to her to finish the one chance they got. Bott was erratic, Riley didn’t get forward and kept cutting inside to cross with her right foot. Steinmetz didn’t have the same energy. Percival was less effective and didn’t get on the ball the longer the game wore on. Hassett anonymous for large parts, Wilkinson didn’t have the pace to cause them trouble. Hand is super consistent and Paige -Riley had limited opportunities. Longo kept the ball, but didn’t really dribble at their defence or cause them any problems,and only Bott shot from distance. Chance will wish she had that game back asides from that wonderful pass to Hand when she hit the post. And why was Jale playing behind Chance? That didn’t make sense to me. Kirsty Yallop sky commentator made a good point. It’s standard to say don’t change a winning team, and yes if Esson held the header, Hand scores instead of hitting the post and Wilkinson isn’t offside by half a hair and Jale has a firmer connection we win 3-0. But the side selected for the Norway game was for counterattacks at speed using Hand and Paige-Riley when we are pinned back. But tonight’s game we had lots of possession but we’re very one dimensional. And with the angle of delivery into the box and the lack of pace on the ball the headers end up being loopy and the striker needs to develop all the power to beat the keeper from 12-18m out and also redirect the ball. When we got to the end line to cross the quality was low and it was easily cleared by the first defender or too close to the keeper. I also thought we didn’t chance our arm enough and get more players into the box when we were chasing the game to try and make it hard for the keeper as well as trying to win headers and there were few runs in behind the defence. Lots to improve that is truly within us. We have it all to play for on Sunday. Probably not the time to start a young Clegg though. But if it turns out she gets 10-15minutes at the end of the game that’s great. Maybe not Foster either as the Swiss wingers are pretty quick, but she could have a part to play too. Fingers and everything else crossed!
My issue with VAR when calls are this close is that, it all hangs on what frame they stop at when they make the decision. Judging exactly when the ball leaves the foot of the player making the pass is also very difficult. Should there be some kind of margin of error towards the attacking team. Fans want to see more goals. but VAR decisions are mostly focused on finding a reason not to award a goal. Its counter productive to the enjoyment of the game for a lot of Fans. image.png309.78 KB
Great point. If that frame is the one used the ball is already off the ground by a foot (e.g the kick happened at least a frame back, at which point she was likely onside). The angle the 'line' is drawn on makes a massive difference too, especially in the A-League I was often unconvinced about the technology around that been accurate, and not been able to be manipulated by the VAR room.
Something similar to crickets DRS 'umpires call' would works better I think where there has to be a margin. I also hate how they do it off any part of the body, e.g attacking player can be leaning forward a little in their natural running position but feet (even hips) are well behind the defender and still offside.
It makes for less goals/entertainment and takes the excitement out of legit goals.
Combined with the Chris Wood disallowed goal vs CR last year VAR hasn't treated NZ well in big moments.
There has to be a margin of error (i.e. umpire's call in cricket. I've seen 3 angles of this 'offside' now, and the one referenced above is the most damning. How this can credibly be called offside is beyond me. Boggles the mind.
My issue with VAR when calls are this close is that, it all hangs on what frame they stop at when they make the decision. Judging exactly when the ball leaves the foot of the player making the pass is also very difficult. Should there be some kind of margin of error towards the attacking team. Fans want to see more goals. but VAR decisions are mostly focused on finding a reason not to award a goal. Its counter productive to the enjoyment of the game for a lot of Fans. image.png309.78 KB
yep. had friends at the game celebrating and I thought, hope thats onside.. when I saw this freeze frame on tv I was happy. surely any neutral would say this is fine, and anything that is as close as this should go to the attacking team. but VAR and any slow mo replay system will get to these miniscule margins at some point. VAR is better than no VAR (in my opinion) but fudge this sucks
By my calculations (please correct me if I'm wrong):
If we lose to SUI, we miss the R16. If we beat SUI, we make the R16 If we draw vs SUI, things depend on the Norway vs PHL match.
For the Norway vs PHL match (if we draw vs SUI): Draw, we would qualify over PHL on better GD PHL win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16 PHL win by 1 goal, we miss the R16 Norway win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16. Norway win by 1 goal, it will come down to GF (If GF is equal we qualify based on 'points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned')
The GF means that if Norway are to win by a single goal, ideally it is 1-0, not 3-2, etc. Likewise a higher scoring draw is better for us in this tie breaker scenario.
I think most likely though is that Norway will win by more than 1 goal vs PHL and we need to beat SUI!
Edit - got one of the permutations wrong so edited. Best to read the ESPN article someone else mentioned below instead of my inaccurate summary: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38034269/how-teams-qualify-women-world-cup-group
The thing that bugs me with these marginal VAR off side decisions is they put up that computer generated image as if it’s the gospel truth. But in actual fact it’s still highly subjective. A player sprinting like that would be moving around 20km/hour. That’s 5.5 metres a second. TV works on 30 frames per second. So that works out at 18cm per frame. The image we saw shows a small part of her shoulder over an arbitrary line….probably 3 cm. How can you accurately say she is off side when the margin you are calling is outside the resonance of your measuring method? Even if she is running at 10km/hr that is still 9cm per frame. It’s bollocks! Disclaimer. This brillant example of mathematics has been done late at night under the influence of alcohol. Quite possible I am completely wrong so apologies in advance!
By my calculations (please correct me if I'm wrong):
If we lose to SUI, we miss the R16. If we beat SUI, we make the R16 If we draw vs SUI, things depend on the Norway vs PHL match.
For the Norway vs PHL match (if we draw vs SUI): Draw, we would qualify over PHL on better GD PHL win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16 PHL win by 1 goal, it will comes down to GF (If GF is equal PHL qualify based on 'points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned') Norway win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16. Norway win by 1 goal, it will come down to GF (If GF is equal we qualify based on 'points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned')
The GF means that if Norway or PHL are to win by a single goal, ideally it is 1-0, not 3-2, etc. Likewise a higher scoring draw is better for us in this tie breaker scenario.
I think most likely though is that Norway will win by more than 1 goal vs PHL and we need to beat SUI!
On ESPN soccernet there is a whole Section on how each team can make the round of 16 coverings every single scenario and permutation. As you said we win and we are through. A draw and it depends, could come down to how many yellow cards we get or a flip of a coin?
By my calculations (please correct me if I'm wrong):
If we lose to SUI, we miss the R16. If we beat SUI, we make the R16 If we draw vs SUI, things depend on the Norway vs PHL match.
For the Norway vs PHL match (if we draw vs SUI): Draw, we would qualify over PHL on better GD PHL win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16 PHL win by 1 goal, it will comes down to GF (If GF is equal PHL qualify based on 'points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned') Norway win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16. Norway win by 1 goal, it will come down to GF (If GF is equal we qualify based on 'points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned')
The GF means that if Norway or PHL are to win by a single goal, ideally it is 1-0, not 3-2, etc. Likewise a higher scoring draw is better for us in this tie breaker scenario.
I think most likely though is that Norway will win by more than 1 goal vs PHL and we need to beat SUI!
if we draw and PHI beats NOR, we are out, irrespective of score..
By my calculations (please correct me if I'm wrong):
If we lose to SUI, we miss the R16. If we beat SUI, we make the R16 If we draw vs SUI, things depend on the Norway vs PHL match.
For the Norway vs PHL match (if we draw vs SUI): Draw, we would qualify over PHL on better GD PHL win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16 PHL win by 1 goal, it will comes down to GF (If GF is equal PHL qualify based on 'points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned') Norway win by 2 goals+, we miss the R16. Norway win by 1 goal, it will come down to GF (If GF is equal we qualify based on 'points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned')
The GF means that if Norway or PHL are to win by a single goal, ideally it is 1-0, not 3-2, etc. Likewise a higher scoring draw is better for us in this tie breaker scenario.
I think most likely though is that Norway will win by more than 1 goal vs PHL and we need to beat SUI!
On ESPN soccernet there is a whole Section on how each team can make the round of 16 coverings every single scenario and permutation. As you said we win and we are through. A draw and it depends, could come down to how many yellow cards we get or a flip of a coin?
Thanks for the link. Made me realise I made a mistake in what I wrote, I'll edit my comment (if PHL wins obviously they have 6 points and qualify over us if we draw).
Link is here: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38034269/how-teams-qualify-women-world-cup-group
