there is a big difference between being a fan and a cheer leader
Anthony Hudson (FAT Technical Director | Thailand)
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Psyco phantic? Qu'est-ce que c'est?
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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
Firstly, it's sycophantic. Secondly, lol.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
there is a big difference between being a fan and a cheer leader
Not really
Allegedly
Yes, the first rule of journalism: Never accuse someone of being something you can't spell.
there is a big difference between being a fan and a cheer leader
Not really
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
there is a big difference between being a fan and a cheer leader
Not really
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
Good article that.
I thought Burgess was better than that, but apparently not.
There is not one piece of praise for Hudson from the author whatsoever.
I thought it was interesting and informative.
What are the particular quotes that give the wankfest impression? Is it just that it's not negative, and you think it should be?
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson was poor in Europe remember!
And I think turning in Alex Ferguson would make half the forum love him and the other half passionately hate him...
I honesty think he'll be judged on his results. So far I think most of us are being fairly generous and giving him the benefit of the doubt based on the USA performance and a general willingness in that tour and the home game to press and try and play football.
The dislike has come from saying that being unable to score in open play hoofing the ball long against teams like PNG (who passed through us) was good and his continual press hype with footy celebs (Allardyce etc) and links to jobs he's never getting ie Norwich where the candidates were allegedly : Pardew, Pearson, Roy Hodgson and our lad. You know, a wealth of EPL experience and Bahrain under- 23. Odd one out there.
We're a low maintenance lot I reckon, but we don't like sophists and BS. If you tried a long ball game that didn't quite come off, don't pretend it was Barcelona or something. I mean we know we're ultimately on a hiding to nothing.
If he gets results, stops bleating about justified criticism on a show with Tony Veitch and helps the careers of a few players who go on to decent things great. That'll probably be enough for most of us to like him I'd say.
The question is what are good results for us? What is realistically achievable?
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson was poor in Europe remember!
And I think turning in Alex Ferguson would make half the forum love him and the other half passionately hate him...
I honesty think he'll be judged on his results. So far I think most of us are being fairly generous and giving him the benefit of the doubt based on the USA performance and a general willingness in that tour and the home game to press and try and play football.
The dislike has come from saying that being unable to score in open play hoofing the ball long against teams like PNG (who passed through us) was good and his continual press hype with footy celebs (Allardyce etc) and links to jobs he's never getting ie Norwich where the candidates were allegedly : Pardew, Pearson, Roy Hodgson and our lad. You know, a wealth of EPL experience and Bahrain under- 23. Odd one out there.
We're a low maintenance lot I reckon, but we don't like sophists and BS. If you tried a long ball game that didn't quite come off, don't pretend it was Barcelona or something. I mean we know we're ultimately on a hiding to nothing.
If he gets results, stops bleating about justified criticism on a show with Tony Veitch and helps the careers of a few players who go on to decent things great. That'll probably be enough for most of us to like him I'd say.
The question is what are good results for us? What is realistically achievable?
I agree with nearly all this. His like ability factor is low, but to me I think AWs are generally on a good tract. He also seems to be doing a fair bit to help young players score an overseas gig, through his contact network- real or imaginary. If he helps even one kiwi kid get picked up overseas that's a plus mark. I don't ever remember Herbert doing that.
As far as results go I'd say a couple of 2-0 losses and either a loss by one goal, or draw at Confeds Cup as good to great result. From memory at previous Confed Cups we have lost every game? Really just want a team that is hard to break down, plays with spirit, plus has some time on the ball, and with Wood, Rojas etc at least offers a goal threat going forward
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson was poor in Europe remember!
And I think turning in Alex Ferguson would make half the forum love him and the other half passionately hate him...
I honesty think he'll be judged on his results. So far I think most of us are being fairly generous and giving him the benefit of the doubt based on the USA performance and a general willingness in that tour and the home game to press and try and play football.
The dislike has come from saying that being unable to score in open play hoofing the ball long against teams like PNG (who passed through us) was good and his continual press hype with footy celebs (Allardyce etc) and links to jobs he's never getting ie Norwich where the candidates were allegedly : Pardew, Pearson, Roy Hodgson and our lad. You know, a wealth of EPL experience and Bahrain under- 23. Odd one out there.
We're a low maintenance lot I reckon, but we don't like sophists and BS. If you tried a long ball game that didn't quite come off, don't pretend it was Barcelona or something. I mean we know we're ultimately on a hiding to nothing.
If he gets results, stops bleating about justified criticism on a show with Tony Veitch and helps the careers of a few players who go on to decent things great. That'll probably be enough for most of us to like him I'd say.
The question is what are good results for us? What is realistically achievable?
I agree with nearly all this. His like ability factor is low, but to me I think AWs are generally on a good tract. He also seems to be doing a fair bit to help young players score an overseas gig, through his contact network- real or imaginary. If he helps even one kiwi kid get picked up overseas that's a plus mark. I don't ever remember Herbert doing that.
As far as results go I'd say a couple of 2-0 losses and either a loss by one goal, or draw at Confeds Cup as good to great result. From memory at previous Confed Cups we have lost every game? Really just want a team that is hard to break down, plays with spirit, plus has some time on the ball, and with Wood, Rojas etc at least offers a goal threat going forward
I seem to remember some celebration of a 0-0 v Iraq.
I want to see:
- sensible squad and team selections. Not Rojas as a CM or Dyer constantly in the squad, or to go back to Ricki, Christie starting our most important game in 3 years despite not having had a club for a couple of years.
- comfortable victories over the Island sides. We don't have to run up cricket scores but draws or scrappy narrow wins shouldn't be regular occurrences when you compare our players, facilities and general setup to theirs.
- credible and consistent performances in friendlies. We did this against the US and Mexico but some of our other friendlies under Hudson have been shockers.
- not embarrassing ourselves in our rare competitive fixtures against non-OFC sides.
Hudson hasn't had a chance to do the last one yet but I don't think he's done as well as he could have on any of the other 3. And I don't think those are unreasonable expectations.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson was poor in Europe remember!
And I think turning in Alex Ferguson would make half the forum love him and the other half passionately hate him...
I honesty think he'll be judged on his results. So far I think most of us are being fairly generous and giving him the benefit of the doubt based on the USA performance and a general willingness in that tour and the home game to press and try and play football.
The dislike has come from saying that being unable to score in open play hoofing the ball long against teams like PNG (who passed through us) was good and his continual press hype with footy celebs (Allardyce etc) and links to jobs he's never getting ie Norwich where the candidates were allegedly : Pardew, Pearson, Roy Hodgson and our lad. You know, a wealth of EPL experience and Bahrain under- 23. Odd one out there.
We're a low maintenance lot I reckon, but we don't like sophists and BS. If you tried a long ball game that didn't quite come off, don't pretend it was Barcelona or something. I mean we know we're ultimately on a hiding to nothing.
If he gets results, stops bleating about justified criticism on a show with Tony Veitch and helps the careers of a few players who go on to decent things great. That'll probably be enough for most of us to like him I'd say.
The question is what are good results for us? What is realistically achievable?
I agree with nearly all this. His like ability factor is low, but to me I think AWs are generally on a good tract. He also seems to be doing a fair bit to help young players score an overseas gig, through his contact network- real or imaginary. If he helps even one kiwi kid get picked up overseas that's a plus mark. I don't ever remember Herbert doing that.
As far as results go I'd say a couple of 2-0 losses and either a loss by one goal, or draw at Confeds Cup as good to great result. From memory at previous Confed Cups we have lost every game? Really just want a team that is hard to break down, plays with spirit, plus has some time on the ball, and with Wood, Rojas etc at least offers a goal threat going forward
If there's one thing I applaud Hudson for it's his recent rhetoric about having expectations when it comes to these non OFC games. If Ricki could get three draws at the 2010 WC we should be aiming for our first win against Russia and a draw against Portugal or Mexico would be fantastic.
There was someone on this forum once, who from memory had sat on a mother's morning tea with one of Nix's AWs players wives, where the gossip was that Hudson was rated by the players!
An unconventional source of inside info granted - but not one you can tarnish with any 'fake news' sycophant media type accusations. To me there is just a consistent fed of info that planning wise esp he's doing a good job.
The OFC games to me are pretty meaningless as far as getting a gauge on AWs form/progress. They don't excite the fans or players, AWs are never at full strength and are just shark games that have to played in order to play the big games that matter, and excite the players & fans. Of the starting eleven that played the OFC Nations final I'm guessing barely half would be in a 1st choice AWs side now.
End of the day many folks on this forum, will never like Hudson even if he blended into a wonderful combination of Mother Theresa and Alex Ferguson.
Ferguson was poor in Europe remember!
And I think turning in Alex Ferguson would make half the forum love him and the other half passionately hate him...
I honesty think he'll be judged on his results. So far I think most of us are being fairly generous and giving him the benefit of the doubt based on the USA performance and a general willingness in that tour and the home game to press and try and play football.
The dislike has come from saying that being unable to score in open play hoofing the ball long against teams like PNG (who passed through us) was good and his continual press hype with footy celebs (Allardyce etc) and links to jobs he's never getting ie Norwich where the candidates were allegedly : Pardew, Pearson, Roy Hodgson and our lad. You know, a wealth of EPL experience and Bahrain under- 23. Odd one out there.
We're a low maintenance lot I reckon, but we don't like sophists and BS. If you tried a long ball game that didn't quite come off, don't pretend it was Barcelona or something. I mean we know we're ultimately on a hiding to nothing.
If he gets results, stops bleating about justified criticism on a show with Tony Veitch and helps the careers of a few players who go on to decent things great. That'll probably be enough for most of us to like him I'd say.
The question is what are good results for us? What is realistically achievable?
I agree with nearly all this. His like ability factor is low, but to me I think AWs are generally on a good tract. He also seems to be doing a fair bit to help young players score an overseas gig, through his contact network- real or imaginary. If he helps even one kiwi kid get picked up overseas that's a plus mark. I don't ever remember Herbert doing that.
As far as results go I'd say a couple of 2-0 losses and either a loss by one goal, or draw at Confeds Cup as good to great result. From memory at previous Confed Cups we have lost every game? Really just want a team that is hard to break down, plays with spirit, plus has some time on the ball, and with Wood, Rojas etc at least offers a goal threat going forward
If there's one thing I applaud Hudson for it's his recent rhetoric about having expectations when it comes to these non OFC games. If Ricki could get three draws at the 2010 WC we should be aiming for our first win against Russia and a draw against Portugal or Mexico would be fantastic.
We can get a win against Russia and a draw elsewhere while still being proud of our underdog status.
Until we have a midfield like we had in 2010, I think we will struggle. 2013 showed this and even the recent Nations Cup. If I were Hudson I would be playing Themi in midfield from now on as a bare minimum.
I'm going to all of NZ full internationals in June and thus pray Hudson leaves the likes of Dyer at home.
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Based on our last 4 games, both Fiji matches and the Mexico and USA game, I'm fairly happy.
We dominated Fiji and competed with Mexico and the States - if we keep up this standard we will be credible at the Confeds.
Based on our last 4 games, both Fiji matches and the Mexico and USA game, I'm fairly happy.
We dominated Fiji and competed with Mexico and the States - if we keep up this standard we will be credible at the Confeds.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
Based on our last 4 games, both Fiji matches and the Mexico and USA game, I'm fairly happy.
We dominated Fiji and competed with Mexico and the States - if we keep up this standard we will be credible at the Confeds.
Oh, for Michael McGlinchey's fitness
Based on our last 4 games, both Fiji matches and the Mexico and USA game, I'm fairly happy.
We dominated Fiji and competed with Mexico and the States - if we keep up this standard we will be credible at the Confeds.
The top Fijian players play for the likes of Franklin United in the second tier of the Northern Regional Football League. These guys aren't even SS Premiership quality. We didn't dominate them anywhere near what we should have.
Based on our last 4 games, both Fiji matches and the Mexico and USA game, I'm fairly happy.
We dominated Fiji and competed with Mexico and the States - if we keep up this standard we will be credible at the Confeds.
The top Fijian players play for the likes of Franklin United in the second tier of the Northern Regional Football League. These guys aren't even SS Premiership quality. We didn't dominate them anywhere near what we should have.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
Based on our last 4 games, both Fiji matches and the Mexico and USA game, I'm fairly happy.
We dominated Fiji and competed with Mexico and the States - if we keep up this standard we will be credible at the Confeds.
Yeah but the main man Reid didn't play New Caledonia nor Fiji. His availability (and Wood's) is absolutely critical to any chance of AWs pulling off some upsets later this year. Not only Reid's skill, but experience and presence/mana call it like you will. I'm sure that a huge amount of the team improvement visible in those two North American (yeah sure against far from full strength Mexico/USA sides), was just due to having him in the side for the first time in ages - with the leadership/confidence plus very high standards that a top EPL player demands of his team mates.
Sure 90% of AWs players are pro footballers, unlike the Island guys - but strutting your stuff in USA Div 2 (USL), German 4th Div, French 4th Div, or the A League doesn't make you a world beater. Without Reid and to a lesser degree Wood (heaven forbid if ever without both of them on the field) the AWs will honestly be a pretty sharke international team. With both of them in starting XI, there is some cause for hope.
I reckon the Burgess piece is a case of letting Huddo hang himself with his comments.
He's been full time manager for nearly three years, he's played 17 games.
This is his To Do List...
"We have so much to do," said Hudson, as he glances at a checklist with bullet points including 'Style of play', 'Killing games off', 'Adaptability', 'Fittest team' and 'Team culture'.
I'd love to know what some of the other bullet points are.
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I reckon the Burgess piece is a case of letting Huddo hang himself with his comments.
He's been full time manager for nearly three years, he's played 17 games.
This is his To Do List...
"We have so much to do," said Hudson, as he glances at a checklist with bullet points including 'Style of play', 'Killing games off', 'Adaptability', 'Fittest team' and 'Team culture'.
I'd love to know what some of the other bullet points are.
There is a joke in here, but I can't quite put my mouse on it.
From what the players have said I think Team Culture can just about be checked off. No doubt he's improved that out of sight, whatever his failings elsewhere might be.
just out of curiosity, with the players avalible what would the formation and starting line up be for the various people that contribute to this forum? And is there any particular players people would keave out of tbe squad completely?
For me i'd leave brokie and smelts and rufer out. As for my line up i think id play a traditional 244 as what we played in against tbe islands just didnt seen to work a hundered percent for us (just my imoression im not a pro player or coach)
My line up would be up front -wood, boyd/kosta .... i think someone quick and zippy could really cause mayhem alongside wood
Center mids - bill as the defensive roll
Mike/rojas...... one of those but only as i can't think of anyone else
Wingers- ryan
Rojas probably our best wingers but could easily chuck kosta or boyd on tbe wings and not loose anything
Backs- reid/ center
Smith/center
Themi
Boxall....... i rated liam graham but now he is out due to injury bixall us my choice by default.
I'd have room for paterson on my bench and fallon in my squad as he seems to be our good luck charm
just out of curiosity, with the players avalible what would the formation and starting line up be for the various people that contribute to this forum? And is there any particular players people would keave out of tbe squad completely?
For me i'd leave brokie and smelts and rufer out. As for my line up i think id play a traditional 244 as what we played in against tbe islands just didnt seen to work a hundered percent for us (just my imoression im not a pro player or coach)
My line up would be up front -wood, boyd/kosta .... i think someone quick and zippy could really cause mayhem alongside wood
Center mids - bill as the defensive roll
Mike/rojas...... one of those but only as i can't think of anyone else
Wingers- ryan
Rojas probably our best wingers but could easily chuck kosta or boyd on tbe wings and not loose anything
Backs- reid/ center
Smith/center
Themi
Boxall....... i rated liam graham but now he is out due to injury bixall us my choice by default.
I'd have room for paterson on my bench and fallon in my squad as he seems to be our good luck charm
They'll be playing 3-5-2.
They started in that v NC 1, v Fiji 1 and 2 (and in the 7 games before that). They moved to 4-1-3-2 v NC 1, and started there v NC 2, albeit with a B team.
It's designed to play teams that are 'better' than Fiji and NC, so was less than great against them, though still very safe and comfortable v Fiji.
I'd bet
Marinovic
Tzimi/Boxall, Reid, Smith
Roux, Thomas, McG, Tuiloma, Wynne
Rojas, Wood
We may see a back three of Themi / Smith and Reid with Boxall playing WB.
He's our quickest player, is defensively sound and will pose a serious aerial threat that will potentially be our biggest weapon at set pieces.
Hoping (assuming neither Keat or James appear) that Themi plays next to Tuiloma in midfield.
You know we belong together...
A psychical presence would give us a significant advantage
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
I can see Themi going there late in games, but I don't think he's mobile enough to press like Huddo wants.
Themi is injured I think. Got the impression he might be unavailable for the confeds.
Hudson likes Wee Mac as our 8 and Bill as our 6.
Agree with the sentiment of having an increased physical presence in midfield. Bill seems to go missing in games and is not always overly physical but when he does commit the wins his fair share of the ball. He's a natural athlete and still a good long term option. It's just a big ask going from a reserve side to an international one.
ok well that's good to hear. I think he'll be a bench player. But useful cover in the spine.
I want to see:
- sensible squad and team selections. Not Rojas as a CM or Dyer constantly in the squad, or to go back to Ricki, Christie starting our most important game in 3 years despite not having had a club for a couple of years.
- comfortable victories over the Island sides. We don't have to run up cricket scores but draws or scrappy narrow wins shouldn't be regular occurrences when you compare our players, facilities and general setup to theirs.
- credible and consistent performances in friendlies. We did this against the US and Mexico but some of our other friendlies under Hudson have been shockers.
- not embarrassing ourselves in our rare competitive fixtures against non-OFC sides.
Hudson hasn't had a chance to do the last one yet but I don't think he's done as well as he could have on any of the other 3. And I don't think those are unreasonable expectations.
Very reasonable. It's pretty damning how poor we have been going forward when you look at how Wood, Rojas, Thomas and Kosta get on for their clubs
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