Andrew Durante (Melbourne Victory | A-Leagues)

What exactly are FIFA doing ? Waiting for a cheque ?????

It's a yes or no answer. He can play for NZ or he can't. I don't understand the delay.

1: 5%

2: 5%

3: Cause that's the stated odd. If I toss a coin 100 times and 100 times it comes up heads, that does not mean all future coin tosses, tails has 0 chance.

4: Extremely

I'm not sure about your answers to number two and three Jeff. If each post is independant from the others, then you are correct, but as different posts in these forums follow on from each other, I do not think that they are entirely independant. 

In this case, I think we need to use a conditional probability, given by the forumla:

but, I don't know how we could go about working out P(A n B), as we can't just multiply the two probabilities together (as they aren't independent).

Your answer to number three also relies on each trial being independent (which coin tosses are).

True but then logically, you are assuming that each post that follows on has to be of the sameness. For example. nufc, a complete numpty poster can post something intelligent in a thread on rare occasions which has followed right after his complete trolling stupidity so that then defies.

In some respects posts are independent and not independent. In that case, always listen to the man and thus 5% wins...

Sad.  wonder how he feels about the whole thing?

Absolute joke. Again.

C O M M U N I C A T E.

I don't care who's "fault" it is or isn't, the facts around Dura's situation and our intentions were known months ago... we should have been well on the front foot with FIFA/OFC/Panasonic, and even sent them some toner for their fax machine - and our own.

Professional Sporting Organisations?

Yeah Right.

I think we may not have been allowed to apply until Durante was officially an NZ citizen. Citizenship can be a complicated thing, so I can understand why FIFA wouldn't want the process to begin until it had been officially granted to him. It's no excuse for why FIFA haven't come back to us with a definitive response here.

Also, it sounds as though Dura himself hadn't made a decision himself until fairly recently. It would have been pretty unprofessional for NZF to go away and sort out everything for Dura, without being told by Durante himself that he wanted them to do it.

I appreciate we weren't able to lodge papers/apply until everything was in place, but surely we can go to FIFA and be given an indication given what his situation was. Dura's decision was weeks ago, not Monday. It's 2013 not 1976, we have ways of communicating rather quickly nowadays. I hear from a sauce we even have fax machines!

I actually think this might not be as big a deal for him as it seems to be for some people here. My guess is that Ricki and NZF said to him "look, we're not sure you'll actually be able to play as dealing with FIFA can be a nightmare, but we want you to train and travel with the squad as you're part of our long term plans and we're happy to have you on board." This may have been the expected course of things all along, or at least a contingency plan that was highly probable to occur.

 Ricki might be relieved as he would most likely have been on the bench.

Durante ruled out of qualifier

He said Durante had needed to satisfy three criteria under FIFA rules relating to a player acquiring a new nationality: citizenship, not having played for another country and having lived in New Zealand for five years.

There was no concern over the first two.

But there was uncertainty over the third, which Durante had met under New Zealand law requiring residency of 1350 days over five years and 240 in each of those years.

"What we've asked FIFA is: we've sent you some documentation, can you tell us whether he's eligible or not?" de Jong said.

"What they've said is they cannot say that, that it's up to the association to be sure that he's eligible."

De Jong said NZF did not want to risk playing Durante if it meant his eligibility could be challenged later on, putting the All Whites' qualifying campaign at risk.

Unbelievable from FIFA. These international clearances must be required all the time. Why don't they just specify what counts as being resident in a country for 5 years?

Basically what Fred said to me last night. Sounded like FIFA likes to be legally ambiguous to cover themselves. I specifically asked Fred about that loan spell with ?Sydney which was alleged to be a reason he might not qualify but Fred said that was not the real issue. 

this, why can't NZF got to Fifa and say hey we have this guy on our radar, when he gets citizenship (timeframe) we want him to play fo NZ, yes or no? like most i see it as a yes or no simple question. The smart move is not to play him, qualify and then play him on tuesday, if noone mans then he's eligible, if they do moan then Fifa's hand is forced but if he is found to be ineligible a 3-0 loss won't hurt our WC chances.

Is it an issue of some countries Citizenship requirements, not matching FIFA's  requirements to qualify?  Did NZ Football need to show that he has been a resident in NZ for X number of days over that last five years?

Im pretty sure if it were as simple as "oh yeah we have this guy eligible in 40days... can you do it now so he can play in 40 days time?" - It wouldve been done.

Sounds to me like FIFA want us to play him and have someone challenge it before they'll bother doing any work

Playing him against the Solomons if we're already qualified sounds like the best idea.

Although from what I can see, if the Solomons don't challenge it, it doesn't mean he would then be fine - it would be open to Dura's next opponent to challenge after that as well wouldn't it? Couldn't we hypothetically be challenged on it at the world cup finals if no one has bothered to question it up to that point? Imagine the drama if we qualified, went to the world cup finals, knocked someone out, and they challenged us then... lol the aussies themselves will probably challenge it!

Dura has ruled himself out from tomorrow's match. 

Fifa bollocks, just say yes or no. But preferably YES

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If NZ go through and are OFC's reps then OFC must force issue by getting Solomons to protest.

Anyway, if true that only problem is whether he's lived in NZ for 5 years then surely by November that will not be an issue anymore. He will have been here closer to 6 years by then.

What a fucking joke by FIFA though.

complete joke, but does it really surprise anyone given NZFA and Fifa are the two organisations trying to sort it out.

Can we protest it ourselves? Would he hilarious but effective.

dunno? I guess playing him in the next game is in effect a protest of sorts....

Nah, playing him isn't the protest. It just allows a potential protest to happen.

ah yes but by playing him we force Fifa to make a definitivie decision which is exactly what a formal protest would be, right? If for example the solomon's don't protest, then does the right of challenging his position in the team fade away? or can the next team we play protest as well until Fifa come nout and say he can/not play?

so basically his international career is on hold except for meaningless games like the solomons (assuming we win tonight) and friendlies? I don't get why Fifa just can't come out and say yep he's clear to play. Why do they need to wait until someone complains?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20816001

And of course you can still get ridiculous cases like this one, where Nambia protested the play at ACoN, but CAF said it was ok, and FIFA ignored it, and then in the World Cup Qualifiers Congo protested and got the 3-0 win, and Burkina Faso got told the guy was ineligible after his 6th game for the nation. FIFA is a shambles.

fair call, I can be snarky about many things LOL