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Martin struggled in Bangladesh mainly because he wasn't there. Seemed to me like he was coming back to full fitness in the test arena which isn't optima, hopefully he can get back into State cricket and find some fitness and form but saying that seems like every pitch around the country this year is a road so that may be a bit difficult
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Cricinfo's indictment of NZ's batting
arggh. I can't even think of a comment to make to these numbers.
arggh. I can't even think of a comment to make to these numbers.
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every team has their freak games, Aussie losing a one dayer to bangladesh for example, this last five years has been consistantly bad, I can't recall an period of worse performances from our cricket teams. For example,we were 3rd in the one day rankings as recently as last year, currently thanks to the poor prformances we have dropped to 5th. As for the test rankings, we are lucky that Bangladesh haven't figured out how to win one yet!
| Team | Matches | Points | Rating |
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| Australia | 28 | 3658 | 131 |
| South Africa | 29 | 3451 | 119 |
| India | 41 | 4865 | 119 |
| Pakistan | 28 | 3182 | 114 |
| New Zealand | 24 | 2714 | 113 |
| England | 32 | 3469 | 108 |
| Sri Lanka | 32 | 3416 | 107 |
| West Indies | 24 | 2178 | 91 |
| Bangladesh | 32 | 1494 | 47 |
| Ireland | 10 | 190 | 19 |
| Zimbabwe | 22 | 280 | 13 |
| Kenya | 7 | 75 | 11 |
Queenslander 3x a year.
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In terms of our ODI ranking I think that is a real oddity, we have dropped to 5th mainly because England and India who have gone ahead of us have been playing big name teams. I still think it is an absolute travesty that England have gone ahead of us, didn't we win those combined series 7-2 or 6-3, but because they beat the Jaapies (where did that come from?) they go ahead of us. India I dont mind so much, they are a good side at home but I expect we will beat them down here this year in the ODI series, will be a goodun though.
bopman2008-12-08 15:12:39
Very right about our Test Cricket though, horrendous 5 years but one name hasn't been mentioned much in all of this discussion and that is Ric Charlesworth, from all accounts it seems he was given a lot of power and moulded Bracewell a little bit. Certainly in Astles book it seems like he lays much of the blame for the early retirements at Charlesworths door. Would be interesting to learn more about his involvement in all of this.
However I do believe that team we sent to Australia given 2 or 3 years playing 12-15 tests a year it could be a very good side. I haven't heard many doubt the undoubted talent that will develop of guys like Flynn, Ryder, Southee, How. Taylor is there for mind, he is beginning to produce reasonably consistently and with McCullum, Oram and Vettori we have a pretty good nucleus of a side for the years to come. I almost look at this period as being like 96-97 when we were so poor but we had the nucleus of the team that went forward and did pretty well in the early 2000s.
That is an epic post, shows what can be acheived when one is procrastinating from doing readings
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not even close boppy!
epic by ODI standards, but barely half a session's play by the long form...
Not convinced about dropping Martin, but we'll see there. He has the ability to take big wickets, and get the ball to do things that others can't. He also has the ability to come out and monster a batting line up on his day. Dependant on form and fitness of course.
Not sure Gillespie is in the same category there. We'll see, but it is the Windies, though it took Bond and a dodgy ball change to work wonders last time at Eden Park.
Also really not convinced about the plan of FLynn as a test number 3. You don't learn how to be a test number 3 by playing test cricket. Better to have an old hand come in and fill in, in the mean time in a similar way to what Robbie Hart did a few years ago, than keep tinkering like this. Would love to be surprised and for him to regularly hit hundreds in that position. He hasn't been doing this at 6 though, and 3 isn't an easier slot in the line up.
We are light on hundreds over the last couple of years. I remember once playing Australia when we got 3 in one innings FFS. IN TWO DAYS!
we've managed 5 in the past 2 two years- not including tests played against Bangladesh.
I don't know if McIntosh will be something in a long line of revolving door openers- Papps, Cummings, Fulton, Marshall H, Marshall J, Bell, and Redmond. Or if possibly he may show some class and cement a place.
One thing is for sure: there is not batsman with the class of Fleming who could play at any position in the top 6. In fact with Fleming it may be a pity that he had to open, as he might have flowered more at 4, the traditional spot for your best.
okay wrapping up. light ending play.
martinb2008-12-08 20:32:36
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I can't recall an period of worse performances from our cricket teams.
Oh, you mean like how it took us 26 years to get our first test win?
Yeah, that period of NZ cricket was the golden age in comparison to the sh*t we have to watch now...
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come on el, bangladesh still havent won a test! they've been playing for how long now?, I don't think many of the emerging nations win first uup which we were when we first entered the test arena.
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Bangladesh have won a test (admitedly against a weakened Zimbabwe team without the Flowers). And yes, while may new test teams struggle to win first-up, no-one took 26 years to win a test other than us.
In fact, no-one comes even close to that.
Not suggesting that everything's rosy with our team right now, but there have been much, much worse times for NZ cricket than right now. Just keeping a bit of perspective here.
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ok, id say I couldn't remember, i wasn't really paying that much attention when we NZ entered the test cricket scene. Sure I'm aware of the 26 year delay, but pout that down to the newbie experience and that we were really only playing England and Aussie. Recent history - ie the last 20 years, I'm pretty sure the last five have been one some of the worst! as far as game results and other issues..
Queenslander 3x a year.
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While I can't be assed looking up the figures I would hazard a guess that the period around 92-97 was pretty poor. When you give guys like Blair Hartland and Blair Pocock opening spots things are not great
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While I can't be assed looking up the figures I would hazard a guess that the period around 92-97 was pretty poor. When you give guys like Blair Hartland and Blair Pocock opening spots things are not great
I dunno. To get an openers spot now you just have to be able to put pads on the right way up.
Prediction: McIntosh to fail miserably, How to get starts and not score big. Flynn to take all day and not score any runs and it doesn't matter where Ryder bats, he'll still look good for 20 minutes then have a brain explosion. Franklin won't have time to bat cos the last two wickets won't stick around and Oram to injure himself bowling his second over.
Meanwhile Bell smacks another two tons in State cricket.
Royal2008-12-10 09:34:45
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While I can't be assed looking up the figures I would hazard a guess that the period around 92-97 was pretty poor. When you give guys like Blair Hartland and Blair Pocock opening spots things are not great
You're right, that was a pretty dark time for NZ cricket, especially from about 1993-1995, when we had the fearsome attack led by Richarf de Gruin and Murphy Sua'a...
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your still only looking at a couple of years, my comment pertained to the last 5 years - being one of the worst stretches we've hard, excluding of cours ethe 26 year delay in getting a win - which in my mind doesn't really count.
92 - 97 - 5 years so argueably could have been worse I'm not sure, who was the coach then, was he worse than bracewell at making excuses for losses! har far did we drop in the ranking then???
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Dont think there was ramkings back then, coaches would have included John Reid for a while, Geoff Howarth. Other very very average players that got picked for NZ in that period include Darrin Murray, Michael Owens, our current CEO, Heath Davis, the leg spinner from CD whose name I can't remember. I think it was probably just as bad to be fair and quite similar in terms of mass retirements and rebuilding.
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Hey lads! Lets hope we pull finger this weekend. New coach with some interesting changes so i'm looking forward to seeing what happens! Love Ryder moving up as he's a McCullum in the making (batting wise because he's way to big to be as nimble as maca) by coming in late and putting on a quick and exciting 30! Having that there incase the openers (as often happens) fall on their faces will be good!
Anyword on the Super 6's competition in January?
Anyword on the Super 6's competition in January?
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While I can't be assed looking up the figures I would hazard a guess that the period around 92-97 was pretty poor. When you give guys like Blair Hartland and Blair Pocock opening spots things are not great
You're right, that was a pretty dark time for NZ cricket, especially from about 1993-1995, when we had the fearsome attack led by Richarf de Gruin and Murphy Sua'a...
lest ye forget Robert Kennedy...
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Dont think there was ramkings back then, coaches would have included John Reid for a while, Geoff Howarth. Other very very average players that got picked for NZ in that period include Darrin Murray, Michael Owens, our current CEO, Heath Davis, the leg spinner from CD whose name I can't remember. I think it was probably just as bad to be fair and quite similar in terms of mass retirements and rebuilding.
Greg Loveridge....interesting prospect. Got a 50 on debut and broke his finger and never regained his place...and Karl Bulfinn, Chris Drumm. Some of these players are handy btw, or not the worst at any rate...
Howarth still kicks Bracewell's but in the crap coach stakes...
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I dunno. To get an openers spot now you just have to be able to put pads on the right way up.
Prediction: McIntosh to fail miserably, How to get starts and not score big. Flynn to take all day and not score any runs and it doesn't matter where Ryder bats, he'll still look good for 20 minutes then have a brain explosion. Franklin won't have time to bat cos the last two wickets won't stick around and Oram to injure himself bowling his second over.
Meanwhile Bell smacks another two tons in State cricket.
Close. But as he won't play as he is injured not close enough.
This man is a walking accident.
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getting out after a start is our forte
Fixed.
And thus my pet hate. Just saw a Retro Ricki in the crowd, well done that man!
Christo?
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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