See, that is the problem with the referral system. That was a classic benefit of the doubt. To me that half hit him outside the line and was classic benefit of the doubt stuff. That absolutely has the potential to ruin the character of the game.
Ian Smith makes a very fair point, if this thing becomes routine Dan Vettori will end up with a lot of test wickets because he will start getting front foot LBWsbopman2008-12-11 17:24:25
Ian Smith makes a very fair point, if this thing becomes routine Dan Vettori will end up with a lot of test wickets because he will start getting front foot LBWsbopman2008-12-11 17:24:25
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See, that is the problem with the referral system. That was a classic benefit of the doubt. To me that half hit him outside the line and was classic benefit of the doubt stuff. That absolutely has the potential to ruin the character of the game.
Ian Smith makes a very fair point, if this thing becomes routine Dan Vettori will end up with a lot of test wickets because he will start getting front foot LBWs
Ian Smith makes a very fair point, if this thing becomes routine Dan Vettori will end up with a lot of test wickets because he will start getting front foot LBWs
Interesting point that.
If a batsman is hit in line with the stumps how do you judge the line the ball would take after it hit the pad when a spinner is bowling on a turning wicket.
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I agree in that it was a classic benefit of the doubt case, and was absolutely the right decision made by the onfield umpire, there was no way he could be sure it hit him inline, therefore not out. Love that a challenge can now be made and the third umpire can now see more evidence and make his decision based on that, and the correct decision was also made by the third umpire. (love that the prediction part of Hawkeye can't be used as it's a load of sh*t and IMO gets it wrong all the time).
It balances out as in the next test Flynn may be given out middling one into his pad, and he now has the right to challenge that.
In regards to judging the line, its in the umpires opinion, same is it has ever been.
It balances out as in the next test Flynn may be given out middling one into his pad, and he now has the right to challenge that.
In regards to judging the line, its in the umpires opinion, same is it has ever been.
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You can't trust Hawkeye!!!! At the Aussie open tennis in '07 a challenge on a line call was made and the pictured showed a clear gap between ball and line, yet the graphic came up as "In" The umpire didn't know whether the picture or the graphic was correct so went with his gut instinct. I've laughed at Hawkeye since - and they use this technology in grand slam tournaments FFS!. All these replays that show potential line of the ball and height etc are rubbish. What if Flynn was on 2 at the time and his career was on the line? - let alone on 95 and close to his maiden test 100! The decision looked right in the 17 replays with a simulated view, but to the naked eye first time around in real time? Benefit of the doubt, not out. How they could determine the ball was in line when half the ball looked outside the shaded area was confusing. Is there any rule on how much of the ball needs to be in line? Just half of it perhaps? Only Doull's voice perked up with excitement. My thought was "what the f**k is this doing in test cricket?" Keep it to the giggle game that is Twenty20
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You can't trust Hawkeye!!!! At the Aussie open tennis in '07 a challenge on a line call was made and the pictured showed a clear gap between ball and line, yet the graphic came up as "In" The umpire didn't know whether the picture or the graphic was correct so went with his gut instinct. I've laughed at Hawkeye since - and they use this technology in grand slam tournaments FFS!. All these replays that show potential line of the ball and height etc are rubbish. What if Flynn was on 2 at the time and his career was on the line? - let alone on 95 and close to his maiden test 100! The decision looked right in the 17 replays with a simulated view, but to the naked eye first time around in real time? Benefit of the doubt, not out. How they could determine the ball was in line when half the ball looked outside the shaded area was confusing. Is there any rule on how much of the ball needs to be in line? Just half of it perhaps? Only Doull's voice perked up with excitement. My thought was "what the f**k is this doing in test cricket?" Keep it to the giggle game that is Twenty20
I'm assuming your yet to discover that they don't use hawkeye (or any other predictive path program) for referrals? The look at where the ball pitched and where (and whether pad/bat/bell, etc) the batsman was hit.
And fyi - any partof the ball must be in line with the stumps... hence the previous comments about Dan, etc... will open up a whole new world as the doubt is being removed.
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Yeah, they are not using the technology that estiamtes a balls path, only using the technology to show where the ball has come from and where it hit, not where it is going.
My only problem is it will get rid completely of benefit of the doubt decisions as I have already said, maybe you will see over a long period of time averages come down. How many guys get a big score and dont get a reasonably decent stroke of luck on the way. But again people won't get out when they get bat on it so I just hope it all works out in the end
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1.40pm More bad news. The covers are back in place as we have had more rain, the early sunshine has given way to low leaden clouds and it's an altogether depressing scene. No news regarding the inspection but if they go out anytime soon they should take flippers and an umbrella.
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Yup..
2:42pm It's Stumps. The news from Dunedin is that the game has been abandoned for the day and it is pretty disappointing for, the match seems pretty balanced as of now. Join us tomorrow for the coverage at 11:30am local time
2:42pm It's Stumps. The news from Dunedin is that the game has been abandoned for the day and it is pretty disappointing for, the match seems pretty balanced as of now. Join us tomorrow for the coverage at 11:30am local time
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Really quite disappointing after a solid first day the match was poised in the balance heading for a make or break first session friday morning. Now it seems that only a gigantic collpase can prevent an inevtiable draw.
Weather looks to be fine tomorrow and sunday but terrible on monday so a draw seems certian unless either side wants to make an early appeal to force a result but in the first test of a two test series can't see it happening.
Saturday 13 Dec
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Monday 15 Dec
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You can't trust Hawkeye!!!! At the Aussie open tennis in '07 a challenge on a line call was made and the pictured showed a clear gap between ball and line, yet the graphic came up as "In" The umpire didn't know whether the picture or the graphic was correct so went with his gut instinct. I've laughed at Hawkeye since - and they use this technology in grand slam tournaments FFS!. All these replays that show potential line of the ball and height etc are rubbish. What if Flynn was on 2 at the time and his career was on the line? - let alone on 95 and close to his maiden test 100! The decision looked right in the 17 replays with a simulated view, but to the naked eye first time around in real time? Benefit of the doubt, not out. How they could determine the ball was in line when half the ball looked outside the shaded area was confusing. Is there any rule on how much of the ball needs to be in line? Just half of it perhaps? Only Doull's voice perked up with excitement. My thought was "what the f**k is this doing in test cricket?" Keep it to the giggle game that is Twenty20
I'm assuming your yet to discover that they don't use hawkeye (or any other predictive path program) for referrals? The look at where the ball pitched and where (and whether pad/bat/bell, etc) the batsman was hit.
And fyi - any partof the ball must be in line with the stumps... hence the previous comments about Dan, etc... will open up a whole new world as the doubt is being removed.
Sorry, but if you believe a piece of shaded pitch with a camera placed 100 metres back that could be 1 centremetre off the line of middle stump is going to tell you that a quarter of the ball pitched in line with the off stump, then you've been fooled terribly!!
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Doesn't sound like there'll be much (if any) play today...
Draw it is.
12.05pm Chucking it down, pools of water on the concrete areas around the grandstand and pavilion, and given the hints from the authorities that even if it does stop we're facing a long mopping-up operation, the common-sense thing might be for everyone to head home. But this is cricket. We have plenty more inspections left in the game yet.
12.30pm The good news is that it is slowly easing off, very slowly, but some solace in that the rain is not nearly as heavy as earlier. The bad news is that the word is that even if it were to stop now, it would be at least two hours before any play would be possible. So expect an early - and leisurely - lunch and then more of the same this afternoon.
Draw it is.
12.05pm Chucking it down, pools of water on the concrete areas around the grandstand and pavilion, and given the hints from the authorities that even if it does stop we're facing a long mopping-up operation, the common-sense thing might be for everyone to head home. But this is cricket. We have plenty more inspections left in the game yet.
12.30pm The good news is that it is slowly easing off, very slowly, but some solace in that the rain is not nearly as heavy as earlier. The bad news is that the word is that even if it were to stop now, it would be at least two hours before any play would be possible. So expect an early - and leisurely - lunch and then more of the same this afternoon.
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Why don't they just call it a day? This is pointless, even if they started playing right now the chances of a result are practically nil.
2.00pm It's official now. The fifth day has been abandoned and it's a draw.
There we go.
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Ahhhh it only took a day and a half and the Jaapies have choked, hahaha
My thoughts exactly. They just seem to sh*t themselves every time they look like getting on top of Australia.
It's weird, but I was watching that last session last night, and I've always felt that hey were gonna screw it up somehow. Have to say I didn't expect Johnson to do what he did though...
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