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If the referee was going to award a penalty, then he is of the opinion that the handball was deliberate. So, you can't then say that "you have to be 100% sure it was deliberate". You can't say it's just a penalty if the ref's not 100% sure. If he's not 100% sure, he shouldn't be giving a penalty. It's one or the other.

defender is on the line and jumps,1 hand inadvertently up in the air stops the goal. its clearly not deliberate,but a penalty would be given. there is such a thing as interpretation of a law and common sense. therefore i can say what i said.

even so,your saying if i handle the ball on the goal line it should be a penalty goal. fine. what if i handle it on the penalty spot? or the 6 yard line? should that be a penalty goal too? its the same offence.

Without going back through all the previous posts, cos I can't be bothered. I think we might be agreeing. I think this whole penalty goal thing is bollocks. Bottom line for me is that, if a Ghana player had scored from the penalty spot, all this rubbish about penalty goals etc would not be happening.

exactly. just bad luck it was in the 120th min i guess. had it been in the first minute the uruguay wouldve had to play with 10 men the entire match. drawing comparison to rugby where this has stemmed from,when a penalty try is awarded im quite sure only a sin binning is given. the punishment in football is already worse. it is also much more clear cut as to when one should be awarded in rugby,not so much in football - as i said last post. theres my argument against,the best ive seen for it is along the lines of "well it was unfair on ghana"

Again, it comes down to common sense like you're saying Tegal. I'm not saying every hand ball should be a penalty goal, I'm saying "if it's goal bound like what happened with Ghana v Uruguay as an example then it should stand as a penalty goal, intentional or not. If someone handles in the box and it's not a certain goal, then a penalty kick." As for hacking somebody down on half way, then it's obviously not goal bound is it. Please read carefully before labeling my opinion ridiculous, Tegal. I know I'd be f**ked off if I had a crack on target, it beat the keeper and someone intentional handballed it, then I missed the penalty.

Don't miss the penalty then?

If it had been the first minute, highly doubt Suarez would have done what he did. It just doesn't make sense to do something like that so early in the game.

I've taken one penalty, sent the keeper the wrong way and gently placed it towards the bottom left corner. I missed.

That isn't really the point anyway.

Also I have another question, although I'm pretty sure I know the answer, just want to make sure. Can a goal be scored directly from a corner if it has touched nobody on the way through. Same for a throw? And while I'm at it, does a penalty have to be attempted at goal or can it be pulled back to throw the keeper and another player take a crack (as long as he starts from outside the box obviously). Just throwing a few random questions in there for thought.

you dont think that creates too much of a grey area and more controversy than its worth as a result? the only instance where it is a real problem is at the end of the game.

1. A goal can be scored directly from a corner-kick.

2. A goal cannot be scored directly from a throw-in.

3. Penalty taker can pass the ball from the penalty spot for his teammate, but the ball has to move forward from the penalty spot, and the normal encroachment rules apply (i.e. the teammate has to stay out of the box/D until the penalty taker touches the ball).el grapadura2010-07-10 19:47:44

Tegal, yeah it does create a gray area, sure, but so does giving out yellow cards for simulation, how often do refs get that right? I guess this is where some could argue introducing video referees.

EG, cheers.

yeah thats why i like the idea of video analysis and banning of players for diving rather than the current system of carding players for it :p

Could not agree more.

Got called offside from a throw in yesterday, two of us in on goal, still annoyed about it.

Proper ref?

I remember seeing Ajax (I think it was) scoring from a penalty like this. The penalty taker rolled it forward and another player raced in and wellied it past the (somewhat startled) keeper.

How does one interpret time wasting?

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Obvious gag out the way now. Seriously though?

Ungentlemanly conduct

Interesting. So are there any concrete laws surrounding the issue.

From Law 12 Fouls and Misconduct:

A player committing any of the five following offenses:
playing in a manner considered by the referee to be dangerous, e.g. attempting to kick the ball while held by the goalkeeper;
charging fairly, i.e. with the shoulder, when the ball is not within playing distance of the players concerned and they are definitely not tying to play it;
when not playing the ball, intentionally obstructing an opponent, i.e. running between the opponent and the ball, or interposing the body so as to form an obstacle to an opponent;
charging the goalkeeper except when he
(a) is holding the ball;
(b) is obstructing an opponent;
(c) has passed outside his goal-area.
when playing as a goalkeeper and within his own penalty-area:

(a) from the moment he takes control of the ball with his hands, he takes more than 4 steps in any direction whilst holding, bouncing or throwing the ball in the air and catching it again, without releasing it into play, or
(b) having released tHe ball into play before, during or after the 4 steps, he touches it again with his hands, before it has been touched or played by a player of the opposing team either inside or outside of the penalty area, or by a player of the same team outside of the penalty-area, subject to the overriding conditions of 5(c), or

(c) touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him by a team-mate, or

(d) indulges in tactics, which in the opinion of the referee, are designed to hold up the game and thus waste time and so give an unfair advantage to his own team,

shall be penalized by the award of an IFK to be taken by the opposing side from the place where the infringement occurred, subject to the overriding conditions imposed in Law 13.

A player shall be cautioned and shown the yellow card if:

(j) he enters or re-enters the field of play to join or rejoin his team after the game has commenced, or leaves the field of play during the progress of the game (except through accident) without, in either case, first having received a signal from the referee showing him that he may do so. If the referee stops the game to administer the caution, the game shall be restarted by an IFK taken by a player of the opposing team from the place where the ball was when the referee stopped the game, subject to the overriding conditions imposed in Law 13.

If, however, the offending player has committed a more serious offense he shall be penalized according to that section of the law he infringed.

(k) he persistently infringes the Laws of the Game;

(l) he shows, by word or action, dissent from any decision given by the referee;

(m) he is guilty of ungentlemanly conduct.

By timewasting, I assume you mean delaying the restart of the game, - which is a cautionable offence.

El-G - No such thing as ungentlemanly conduct anymore - only unsporting behaviour

Showing my age there...

Right. How does one determine what is timewasting and what isn't though? Yesterday we had 2 players booked and 1 sent off for alleged timewasting.

Always wondered this too. The rule seems to change the closer you get to full time. Granted there are deliberate acts but often the refs expect you to run to get the ball etc when getting near the end of the game.

Do refs have to:
1) check boots/shin pads before games?
2) make a player who has gone down injured leave the field?

Referring to Cap Prem level.

1) short answer NO....level of league is irrelevant....
From the laws

A player must not use equipment or wear anything that is dangerous to
himself or another player (including any kind of jewellery).

The basic compulsory equipment of a player comprises the following separate
items:
� a jersey or shirt with sleeves � if undergarments are worn, the colour of the
sleeve must be the same main colour as the sleeve of the jersey or shirt
� shorts � if undershorts are worn, they must be of the same main colour as
the shorts
� stockings
� shinguards
� footwear
Shinguards

Guidelines to referees on page 63 of laws say -

All items of clothing or equipment other than the basic equipment must be
inspected by the referee and determined not to be dangerous

2) In most cases YES, level of league is irrelevant
page 68 guidelines to referees
 
after questioning the injured player, the referee may authorise one, or at
most two doctors, to enter the fi eld of play to assess the injury and arrange
the player�s safe and swift removal from the fi eld of play
� stretcher-bearers should only enter the fi eld of play with a stretcher
following a signal from the referee
� the referee must ensure an injured player is safely removed from the fi eld of
play
� a player is not allowed to receive treatment on the fi eld of play
� any player bleeding from a wound must leave the fi eld of play. He may not
return until the referee is satisfi ed that the bleeding has stopped. A player is
not permitted to wear clothing with blood on it
� as soon as the referee has authorised the doctors to enter the fi eld of play,
the player must leave the fi eld of play, either on a stretcher or on foot. If a
player does not comply, he must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour
� an injured player may only return to the fi eld of play after the match has
restarted


Exceptions to this ruling are to be made only when:
� a goalkeeper is injured
� a goalkeeper and an outfi eld player have collided and need immediate
attention
� players from the same team have collided and need immediate attention
� a severe injury has occurred, e.g. swallowed tongue, concussion, broken leg

Ha Ha. The old "quote the LOTG" routine. Jag2010-08-23 10:28:21

Elaborate.

Common sense suggests that players are more inclined to waste time towards the end of games than they are in the 1st minute..

Jag2010-08-23 10:59:32

Ok. See one of our bookings and the sending off, neither player was warned. In the case of the sending off the player was judged to have not only time wasted by feigning injury, but also dived to win a free kick. The player in question had been moderately injured and struggled to walk after the match.

I just like to know how refs interpret this sort of thing that's all.

As stated, the difference in how long it takes to complete an action like a goal kick, thrown in etc near the end of the game compared to the beginning.

Jag2010-08-23 11:18:43

Yeah but it's a bit harsh when a player is lying on the floor clearly injured to send him off isn't it? I mean, not much human feeling shown there by the ref imo.

I remember a Charlton player being sent-off while being carried on a stretcher a few years back.