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Capital 1 2011

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WOOOW
Niceee I wonder if the NZ Football  code of conduct would apply here....
some people have been repriminded for comments on the internet  would you be a big man  or a man enough to admit you are Mr graham the coach off the capital one team from IBU ???
would you be man enough to name the referee??
would you be man enough to admit what ever you did ??
would you be man enough to tell us why you got sent off?/
because if you think that the ref  got it wrong why didn't you appeal that?
do you have have any witness  that would support you ??
reading coments here .. you aren't a very popular person  and i wonder what your club  ( or the club you represent would say ? )
I also  wonder if the players have got any respect for you ...
I was at that game and i heard you making very stupid coments and I was taken back at how long took that ref to get ride of you ......
I think  and hope no officials read this  you could be in a lot of trouble if they did ..... look like you don't know the laws of the game very well and like picking on the wrong people ...
have  a good day
See i haven't used abusive  language at all ....
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I was a neutral observer that day, I wasn't privy to the after match speech as I was entertaining my kids. I somewhat understand the frustration that the IBU coach had with the ref (Pedro). My son came running to me saying that a foul throw had been given, only because it was fresh in his memory from his own experiance the week before. I had explained to him he must have the ball behind his head, both feet on the ground and throw it from just outside the line. He was confused as to this particular ruling as he claimed "the man did it like you said Mum, but the ref said it was wrong" he was also confused why he didn't get another chance just like he did, cute huh. I suggested that maybe he lifted his foot and that's why, the ref must've seen it better. Low and behold it happened again, only this time I was watching and couldn't for the life of me explain to my son why. When it happened a 3rd time I was embarressed as my son was now questioning my knowledge. The 4th time it happened the poor young lad who taken the previous 3 must've had his confidence shattered as he did not attempt to gain distance with momentum, rather he stood there with both feet next to each other and just threw it. The coach said something close to "**** Pedro you are killing me".
The ref proceeded to call the coach over which he did, he then asked him to come closer to him, which was somewhat strange seeing as he was a yard away. The coach not saying anything stepped forward the yard, hands in pocket and pretty much dwarfed him as he looked down on him. Next he was over the rope without a red card being issued and a word spoken.
Bizzare to say the least, the only thing I could say to my confussed son was that some refs are not very good or biased like at your game, when the other teams coach is the ref.
 
Kids often learn from watching seniors applying their skills, "this is how the adults do it", they say. Mine are totally confussed now on how to execute a throw in, thanks to the ref.
 
As for the ground conditions, I'm glad somebody else shared the same view as my earlier posting. 
 
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i think pedro was pinging something to do with the movement of the feet whilst/after the ball is thrown.
 
if you think 4 is bad and he was picking on IB, then you'll be pleased to know he got me EIGHT times in the game a few weeks ago, I looked like a bit of a dick... actually I got dick of the day for that
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Would that make him Biased ???
serious accussations are being made here ...
like i said earlier i woul like to see the referee  report on  the sent off...
as for the  ground conditions ... I have played at happy valley  ( senior football)  worse conditions
and IBU  grounds  even worse ...
I remnember some one saying " we will see different things  from different angles" and we all will have a different opinion about things ...
 
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monkeyboy wrote:
i think pedro was pinging something to do with the movement of the feet whilst/after the ball is thrown.
 
if you think 4 is bad and he was picking on IB, then you'll be pleased to know he got me EIGHT times in the game a few weeks ago, I looked like a bit of a dick... actually I got dick of the day for that
 
As I mentioned, I was a neutral observor.
I didn't say he was picking on anyone. I just couldn't believe the ref's decision making, as it seemed incompetent, somewhat similar to that of the oppositions coach at junior level.
Draw your own conclussions if you may.
 
8 times must have been even more shattering for your confidence as well.
Surely the question must be asked of the referree's ability. Maybe he is better suited to a lower level as he sure could do with re-training.
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OBMF wrote:
Would that make him Biased ???
serious accussations are being made here ...
like i said earlier i woul like to see the referee  report on  the sent off...
as for the  ground conditions ... I have played at happy valley  ( senior football)  worse conditions
and IBU  grounds  even worse ...
I remnember some one saying " we will see different things  from different angles" and we all will have a different opinion about things ...
 
 
When you get a report, please post it, as it could prove beneficial to the discussion.
 
To get it wrong 12 times from a different angle suggests either a visit to an optomitrist or, a suitable diet to improve his ability to get into the right angle.
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I'm  not a qualify person to write  about referees avility ...
But I will say that you could go and join them as they are always  in need of people like you ... 
Fit and with good visuality ..... and you aslo look like that have a very good diet so why don't you give them a call  and take over the whistle ?? I wish i could  but with a broken spine i can hardly move these days
you don't sound very neutral to me at all .... by reading all your other comments you just don't like referees... ..reminds me of my ex wife .. moaning about anything and doing nothing about it
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Oh, that's rather personal don't you think?!
 
I do ref at kids games. I do receive abuse. I do miss some calls.
I don't make things up, I call what I see and I apologise if I miss it. 
If my team is winning with a minute to go I don't dissallow the equalising goal.
If they're losing I don't award a penalty.
Win or lose, there are lessons to learn and things to work on.
 
If your vision is not impaired as a result of your injury, you will note I often say 'some' referees, as opposed to 'all' referees 
 
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Interesting to hear that Pedro has been calling foul throws a lot. He picked on one or two of the Miramar lads quite a bit when we played them. Both teams were a little bemused at the calls but of course we just got on with it - not a lot you can say to a ref like that.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

OOh he must be  biased then ...    he might get paid for pinning those things ... Would there be any ref around here to make a comment ?? LOL  

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Interesting to hear that Pedro has been calling foul throws a lot. He picked on one or two of the Miramar lads quite a bit when we played them. Both teams were a little bemused at the calls but of course we just got on with it - not a lot you can say to a ref like that.
 
 
Whatever you think of Pedro I say good on him. I have seen so many foul throws from players in Central League and the upper level Cap grades that aren't picked up it's about time someone did something, it's not hard to throw in proparly for goodness sake.
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Teza wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Interesting to hear that Pedro has been calling foul throws a lot. He picked on one or two of the Miramar lads quite a bit when we played them. Both teams were a little bemused at the calls but of course we just got on with it - not a lot you can say to a ref like that.

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Whatever you think of Pedro I say good on him. I have seen so many foul throws from players in Central League and the upper level Cap grades that aren't picked up it's about time someone did something, it's not hard to throw in proparly for goodness sake.
Too right, but I'm saying the throw-ins he pinged were legit. That's not a good thing at all.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Teza wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Interesting to hear that Pedro has been calling foul throws a lot. He picked on one or two of the Miramar lads quite a bit when we played them. Both teams were a little bemused at the calls but of course we just got on with it - not a lot you can say to a ref like that.

 

 

Whatever you think of Pedro I say good on him. I have seen so many foul throws from players in Central League and the upper level Cap grades that aren't picked up it's about time someone did something, it's not hard to throw in proparly for goodness sake.
Too right, but I'm saying the throw-ins he pinged were legit. That's not a good thing at all.
So would you get irritable if you had 8 or 4 legit throws go against you? Even a little bit?
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GinaVaa wrote:

So would you get irritable if you had 8 or 4 legit throws go against you? Even a little bit?
Of course I would. What is the point of your question?
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:
GinaVaa wrote:

So would you get irritable if you had 8 or 4 legit throws go against you? Even a little bit?
Of course I would. What is the point of your question?
 
It's not hard! That's why I somewhat sympathise with the IBU coach getting upset, to some degree.
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TopLeft07 wrote:
GinaVaa wrote:

So would you get irritable if you had 8 or 4 legit throws go against you? Even a little bit?
Of course I would. What is the point of your question?
 
Does seem a silly question but dont sell yourself short topleft, ive never heard you even politely question a refs decision; example to all.
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TopLeft07 wrote:
Teza wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Interesting to hear that Pedro has been calling foul throws a lot. He picked on one or two of the Miramar lads quite a bit when we played them. Both teams were a little bemused at the calls but of course we just got on with it - not a lot you can say to a ref like that.

 
Whatever you think of Pedro I say good on him. I have seen so many foul throws from players in Central League and the upper level Cap grades that aren't picked up it's about time someone did something, it's not hard to throw in proparly for goodness sake.
Too right, but I'm saying the throw-ins he pinged were legit. That's not a good thing at all.
 
Aha I didn't realise that.
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Teza wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Teza wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Interesting to hear that Pedro has been calling foul throws a lot. He picked on one or two of the Miramar lads quite a bit when we played them. Both teams were a little bemused at the calls but of course we just got on with it - not a lot you can say to a ref like that.

 
Whatever you think of Pedro I say good on him. I have seen so many foul throws from players in Central League and the upper level Cap grades that aren't picked up it's about time someone did something, it's not hard to throw in proparly for goodness sake.
Too right, but I'm saying the throw-ins he pinged were legit. That's not a good thing at all.
 
Aha I didn't realise that.
So now it's ok?
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Poolfan wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
GinaVaa wrote:
So would you get irritable if you had 8 or 4 legit throws go against you? Even a little bit?
Of course I would. What is the point of your question?

Does seem a silly question but dont sell yourself short topleft, ive never heard you even politely question a refs decision; example to all.
Depends if they're giving me something to question them about! Seriously though, I haven't come across one team whose captain doesn't ask the ref the odd question. At least I'm not abusive or whiney.

Example: This season, after one game, the ref wiped the yellow he gave me for "dissent" because he said at the time he didn't realise I was the captain. He said he only gave it to me at the time because a lot of players started questioning his calls and he needed to settle it down. He was probably the best ref we've had this season.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Poolfan wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
GinaVaa wrote:
So would you get irritable if you had 8 or 4 legit throws go against you? Even a little bit?
Of course I would. What is the point of your question?

Does seem a silly question but dont sell yourself short topleft, ive never heard you even politely question a refs decision; example to all.
Depends if they're giving me something to question them about! Seriously though, I haven't come across one team whose captain doesn't ask the ref the odd question. At least I'm not abusive or whiney.

Example: This season, after one game, the ref wiped the yellow he gave me for "dissent" because he said at the time he didn't realise I was the captain. He said he only gave it to me at the time because a lot of players started questioning his calls and he needed to settle it down. He was probably the best ref we've had this season.
Great example of a ref ty.
I think you'll find a lot of top coaches air their greviences, ie.Sir Alex, Jose, Arsne, Callcott, McIntyre. Some would call it passion, bordering on insanity.
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Yes but no passion is no excuse for being abusive or appealing EVERY call a ref makes. Passion can blind you sometimes.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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GinaVaa wrote:
<Snip>....... The coach not saying anything stepped forward the yard, hands in pocket and pretty much dwarfed him as he looked down on him. Next he was over the rope without a red card being issued and a word spoken.....<Snip> 
 
 
Red and yellow cards are only shown to players and substitutes, not coaches.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Well say ....
and while i'm here i would like to know  what is legit and what is not and in who is opinion that count ??
someiesm we see or hear what we want see and hear ... and is not always the same as others do ...
I envy those  refs with guts ... giving a yellow card and then no sending it  to  get good marks with a club  ... I remember someone walking to our changing rooms and saying ..  today  will be a Cero tolerance ... on dissent and abusive and  stupid fouls ...  i  thought that was a good ref with guts
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GinaVaa wrote:
Teza wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Teza wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Interesting to hear that Pedro has been calling foul throws a lot. He picked on one or two of the Miramar lads quite a bit when we played them. Both teams were a little bemused at the calls but of course we just got on with it - not a lot you can say to a ref like that.

 
Whatever you think of Pedro I say good on him. I have seen so many foul throws from players in Central League and the upper level Cap grades that aren't picked up it's about time someone did something, it's not hard to throw in proparly for goodness sake.
Too right, but I'm saying the throw-ins he pinged were legit. That's not a good thing at all.
 
Aha I didn't realise that.
So now it's ok?
 
If in the refs opinion it was a foul throw then yes. I wouldn't be happy if I thought he had it wrong but would have to accept it as he's the ref.
 
I would ask however him at the end of the game  what his reasoning was, as he may have seen something I didn't i.e. a one handed throw (where both hands aren't directly behind the ball when thrown) etc.
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They do it in most sports now with TMO's.
Even Ricki got a suspension for it!
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Procedure

At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower:

� faces the field of play

� has part of each foot either on the touch line or on the ground outside the touch line

� holds the ball with both hands

� delivers the ball from behind and over his head

� delivers the ball from the point where it left the field of play

What's hard to understand about this?

 

 

GinaVaa2011-06-30 13:44:17
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Jag wrote:
GinaVaa wrote:
<Snip>....... The coach not saying anything stepped forward the yard, hands in pocket and pretty much dwarfed him as he looked down on him. Next he was over the rope without a red card being issued and a word spoken.....<Snip> 
 
 
Red and yellow cards are only shown to players and substitutes, not coaches.
 
I did not know that, thanks for informing me. It explains some confusion.
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OOH yes I think you should also Add ... very important ..... "in The opinion of the referee"...........
so i believe  that  if the ref see something that isn't right ... it can't be right .. in his opinion .... I just read that too ... interesting .... how many  of us here haven't got a clue at what we talking about it /....
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I like this on your posts ....
The Secret To Being A Good Referee Is "Using Reasonable And Commonly Understood Negotiating Tactics
 
But I like and thinks is better
The Secret To Being A Good Referee Is l knowing the Laws the games they  perform ... and to  give all they have to be fair
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I'm sorry, no offense, but you either have very large fingers or you are an immigrant who is trying his best to make sense. Please try again it was very hard to understand.
You're not Pedro by the way are you?
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Seems to me as if that ref has a few things to learn. I mean why ping a player that many times? After the second time any decent ref would surely be telling the player what he's doing wrong and how to fix it,
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OOH god i would love to be him ... but i'm a bit tall and with hair LOL and he a ref and i'm not ... and i will never take offence ... I like that SFB man ...in my opinion he is a good ref ...

what is your problem  with my fingers??  LOL  do you want to buy them ??
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Toffeeman66 wrote:
Seems to me as if that ref has a few things to learn. I mean why ping a player that many times? After the second time any decent ref would surely be telling the player what he's doing wrong and how to fix it,
 
Very well said, it's only logical, although any inquiry made by the player would probably result in a card for dissent.
GinaVaa2011-06-30 15:30:56
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Now we Talking !!!
So what a good idea ... the guy could ref and be a coach as well ....
I just got a referee hand book in my hand ... and there is a part that says ... to referee and enforce the laws of the game ... they forgot to add coaching ...
I will find out when they have coaching and i will go and have a closer look ... I might learn something ..  any one want to come along  with me >??  LOL  
 
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OBMF wrote:

OOH god i would love to be him ... but i'm a bit tall and with hair LOL and he a ref and i'm not ... and i will never take offence ... I like that SFB man ...in my opinion he is a good ref ...

what is your problem  with my fingers??  LOL  do you want to buy them ??
 
The letters you type are sometimes 2 keys apart thats the problem. eg cero, the z key is 2 to the left of your keyboard. Maybe you are too fast? Have you read your posts?
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I need typing courses .....
would you help me ??
so  its my fingers then ???
of course I read my stuff... and others too ...
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OBMF wrote:
Well say ....
and while i'm here i would like to know  what is legit and what is not and in who is opinion that count ??
someiesm we see or hear what we want see and hear ... and is not always the same as others do ...
I envy those  refs with guts ... giving a yellow card and then no sending it  to  get good marks with a club  ... I remember someone walking to our changing rooms and saying ..  today  will be a Cero tolerance ... on dissent and abusive and  stupid fouls ...  i  thought that was a good ref with guts
 
You said it. I also recall a ref who came into a changing room and said "conditions are dangerous out there (mud), so I'm banning slide tackles". Who was he and many like him to say there is a new rule in the FIFA handbook? If he thought it was dangerous he should have called the game off, simple. When a judge hands out a sentence he says what it is for, a ref is an adjudicator which is the same thing. If you know your RESPECT (NZFA), as you say you do, then you will see it is encouraged to liase with the captain if the ref has a problem with compliance. Put simply it's communication not coaching.
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OBMF wrote:
I'm  not a qualify person to write  about referees avility ...
But I will say that you could go and join them as they are always  in need of people like you ... 
Fit and with good visuality ..... and you aslo look like that have a very good diet so why don't you give them a call  and take over the whistle ?? I wish i could  but with a broken spine i can hardly move these days
you don't sound very neutral to me at all .... by reading all your other comments you just don't like referees... ..reminds me of my ex wife .. moaning about anything and doing nothing about it
 
Have you listened to yourself lately? And you want MY help! I gather you're still single.
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HMM no i'm not single sorry .... and no i don't swing either ... just in case LOL
I support nae nae and all those who beat all other teams  LOL ... do that make sense ??
I don't drink coffee ...
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Toffeeman66 wrote:
Seems to me as if that ref has a few things to learn. I mean why ping a player that many times? After the second time any decent ref would surely be telling the player what he's doing wrong and how to fix it,
 
A ref's job is to ref.  Not to coach.
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