one thing that gets me is the fact teams do not covering the wide player at the far post.
Seems to allow a lot of goals/chances to score tap ins. It is not like the cross in behind defence is not a regular play.
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I disagree with your comment about Boxall. Heard 1st hand out of camp. He left because merrick kept on playing Sigmund in front of him and he couldn't see the light in the tunnel as to when Merrick would make him a regular starter. Only started that many games because either Siggy, Fenton or a right back were out through injury. Nothing to do with Salary cap mate!!!!!
I disagree with your comment about Boxall. Heard 1st hand out of camp. He left because merrick kept on playing Sigmund in front of him and he couldn't see the light in the tunnel as to when Merrick would make him a regular starter. Only started that many games because either Siggy, Fenton or a right back were out through injury. Nothing to do with Salary cap mate!!!!!
Phoenix did still want him but we're not prepared to match offer Supersport made. Boxall did go back to the Nix to see if they will match but they said they couldn't and wished him well
Olympic's three goal scorers yest were all late twenties. Wgtn Utd has 17 year olds. Massive diffference
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why doesn't everyone just default against Wgtn Utd until CF do what they said they would do at the Pheonix meeting and come back to the clubs with a decision. if they are just getting paid beer money to earn a living, i doubt its beer, more like bottles of Krystal!
If Nix have released players from pro contracts, you would think they would have the smarts to make a statement - if only to inform Nix fans and CL clubs and supporters. If done properly they could probably gain some empathy for the situation.
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It's about time DomPost Sports Editor did some work on this subject. Maybe an article in the paper or Veech on Talk Sport might prompt Gill and his merry men out of the shadows and be honest with what they are doing........
Napier up against Nix next with Olympic thereafter. Let's see if those two clubs make a stand on this subject.
Bouzoukis and Patterson aren't on $75k per annum mate. Patterson is a far better prospect then anything at WU. You should pop down and watch them play before you make comment.
Agree that Gill is doing his job, but it's the manner in which he is doing it. Bit like Herbert really. Sharkting on the very people that helped him on his journey. Now Herbert can't set foot back in the country. Hope Gill understands that humility is far more powerful then being a pit bull!!
Was said on twitter Saturday night, the Pro contracted Nix players who are playing for WU have had contracts ended and have stood down to reacquire amateur status. Only CF or Nix can confirm this officialyl.
Can't see this happening with any Nix Pro player who is likely to be pouched by another A League team.
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Bouzoukis and Patterson aren't on $75k per annum mate. Patterson is a far better prospect then anything at WU. You should pop down and watch them play before you make comment.
Agree that Gill is doing his job, but it's the manner in which he is doing it. Bit like Herbert really. Sharkting on the very people that helped him on his journey. Now Herbert can't set foot back in the country. Hope Gill understands that humility is far more powerful then being a pit bull!!
no idea who Patterson is (or who the Greeks signed him off) but I was replying to this comment which is nonsense as there is clearly some good talent in the weenix "Wests and Olympic are doing far better than Wgtn utd so they have better youth players"
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From the outside looking in, it strikes me a very new and unique situation in part because the Phoenix are now creating academies and signing more than the just the 23 for an HAL side. This is one of the things that has popped up where they have gone 'hmmm didn't think of that'
We have had professional football in NZ for a while but the academy process is very new. I have no idea what the right answer is but suspect there will a method agreed upon very soon whereby the young kids (and I specifically reference McGarry as being the example I am talking about) can play ASBP and CL/NRFL in part because they are young kids that need time on the park.
Interestingly, I see Andrew Blake is at Hamilton Wanderers. Thought he was looking to go to Scotland or something to get experience and come back looking to get a pro gig. Not a pro player and off topic but some of those Phoenix kids are going back to winter football in other leagues and not just CL.
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We have had professional football in NZ for a while but the academy process is very new. I have no idea what the right answer is but suspect there will a method agreed upon very soon whereby the young kids (and I specifically reference McGarry as being the example I am talking about) can play ASBP and CL/NRFL in part because they are young kids that need time on the park.
A fan is a fan.
yeah I'm not sure if the PR cost of this is worth minutes of football that McGarry will get.
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I think you are grossly over-estimating most people's care factor.
I think you are grossly over-estimating most people's care factor.
Jusy going by the fact that more than one club on here seems to have been pissed off at the Nix for this saga
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That's assuming the people posting represent the actual clubs. One pissed off mum/dad/supporter posting on here might not reflect what the first team coach thinks for example.
Fuck this stupid game
I'm sure the first team coaches are and a few vocal players are annoyed but in my experience many of those people don't attend Phoenix games anyway.
Feverish is an exception to these observations.
I'm sure the first team coaches are and a few vocal players are annoyed but in my experience many of those people don't attend Phoenix games anyway.
Feverish is an exception to these observations.
yeah agree - but I am not talking about bods through the gate HN.
I'm talking about when they turn to the Olympics or NCRs to help them for whatever reason.
I know you are familiar with the concept of not burning bridges (Smith and I not so much!)
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That's assuming the people posting represent the actual clubs. One pissed off mum/dad/supporter posting on here might not reflect what the first team coach thinks for example.
It's interesting that the same names keep popping up.
Pretty simple really, the Phoenix should play by the rules as they are intended. If players are not under contract then they are not professional. However if they are being paid to play during the off season they should not be playing. Breaking the spirit of the rules by having players as "amateurs" during the winter season only is not right and the club should not be going down that route.
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Pretty simple really, the Phoenix should play by the rules as they are intended. If players are not under contract then they are not professional. However if they are being paid to play* during the off season they should not be playing. Breaking the spirit of the rules by having players as "amateurs" during the winter season only is not right and the club should not be going down that route.
*More than some CL players.
I've stayed out of this argument as i feel it's a waste of effort as there are so many ways to bend and manipulate with in the rules as we know from the 11 team league favour CF put though just recently but in this case football as a whole has a lot too loose if we don't sort a system and get some clarity
We now have the one professional club where our locally developed talent can make a living from the game.
This club needs to draw on local talent in what ever way it can to be strong and grow for the good of all the players.
players who are wanted but get no real game time need to play football and so need to be released to do so and in the real world out side of NZ this is called (out on loan) but because of NZF regs this cannot happen in NZ as we only have one professional club. and all others are classified as amateur which i find interesting
There needs to be a process thats open and transparent yet robust to protect the NIX and the other clubs to allow this NZ talent to still contribute to our local game as well as still have the path to higher football and every club at the top level should be able to access these opportunities in a balanced and fair manner.
maybe a pool of players released and a auction or draft with a limit of two players per club.
we need to look at this for the good of the game and how we can hold talent here and also allow the local clubs to benefit from the progression of there developed talent to the professional game with out creating a caesium between the two .
just my thoughts
good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for
but all we get is talk and goal posts moving
I do wonder if McGarry and the likes were loaned to ....say... Lower Hutt, would they have an issue with it then?
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what's wrong with Lower Hutt? If they were loaned to stokes valley they might get a bit upset
I reckon there shouldn't be an issue of you limit the age of these pros coming down. You must be 18 or younger? I dunno but surely common sense must prevail. We all know United are Weenix in disguise, so if it's about the development of these young players they should be able to play CL!
But the way it's been done or perceived to have be done is very underhanded!
Hang on. Didn't the Phoenix ask to be allowed to do it above board and people quickly jumped on the self-interest bandwagon and said no?
They were being open and honest about wanting development time for their young players. Finding a loophole was only forced on them when their proposal was rejected.
yeah but I think they should be upfront about what they are doing now. Being all cloak and dagger ain't ideal
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I've stayed out of this argument as i feel it's a waste of effort as there are so many ways to bend and manipulate with in the rules as we know from the 11 team league favour CF put though just recently but in this case football as a whole has a lot too loose if we don't sort a system and get some clarity
We now have the one professional club where our locally developed talent can make a living from the game.
This club needs to draw on local talent in what ever way it can to be strong and grow for the good of all the players.
players who are wanted but get no real game time need to play football and so need to be released to do so and in the real world out side of NZ this is called (out on loan) but because of NZF regs this cannot happen in NZ as we only have one professional club. and all others are classified as amateur which i find interesting
There needs to be a process thats open and transparent yet robust to protect the NIX and the other clubs to allow this NZ talent to still contribute to our local game as well as still have the path to higher football and every club at the top level should be able to access these opportunities in a balanced and fair manner.
maybe a pool of players released and a auction or draft with a limit of two players per club.
we need to look at this for the good of the game and how we can hold talent here and also allow the local clubs to benefit from the progression of there developed talent to the professional game with out creating a caesium between the two .
just my thoughts
I don't necessarily agree with your solution, but this'd this for the sentiment, especially the last paragraph. There has to be a way to make this work for the good of the game. It is ridiculous to have the younger guys not able to get any game time if they aren't ready to play significant A-League minutes. The only option that leaves the Phoenix is to not sign youngsters not yet ready, and stop developing New Zealand youth. I don't want the club to go down that path.
It's not so much about the player playing I think it is more about the way that Capital Football and Phoenix have gone about it. One minute they are asking for support which they don't receive and next they are starting in the CL. And by the way it's again not all about pro's playing in amateur league it's about pro's playing in only one club... One rule for all.
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