A few people are glad it wasn't our first 11 on the field, but that's scant consolation when two of the worst were our CBs. Is it just me or did Durante look like he didn't give a shark for most of the game?
Great to see something from Dimairo and Stevens though, thought they outperformed a few of our senior players.
Ernie: not bothered, too many kids on the field, move along nothing to see here.
Fair?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Italiano played like one - diving over the ball far too often, which isn't wise given his position! Three of the goals would have been kept out by a superior 'keeper. Thankfully, Wellington have one to call upon, and a good back-up who was on the bench tonight.
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Lewis Italian...
Ugh, that was dire. We've had enough preseason now that our guys shouldn't look like they've got lead in their boots. We couldn't string anything together and we lacked any creativity or movement up front. Roly showed a few class touches as always but that's about the only positive thing I could say. Stevens had a decent cameo, but made a couple of basic errors too. Tam looked alright.
I don't buy the "it was kids, it was preseason" excuse. Yes, that's mostly true but I don't think that's enough to explain just how bad that was. Also, the experienced players were just as bad if not worse than some of the kids.
Finally, why the flying fudge are we trying to hit longballs at Krishna?
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Rufer and Ridenton v. Koren and Mooy?
that's kids and pre-season shurley?
Ernie: not bothered, too many kids on the field, move along nothing to see here.
Fair?
That's what he's saying in public, but I reckon he'll actually be a bit worried about this.
Third season of pro football for Rufer & Ridenton and they don't sound like they're ready to step up. Patchy reports for the other young players, and a huge part of Ernie's plan has been to nurture these young kiwis into the first team. So far what success has he had? Fenton was blooded in by Ricki, Krishna had a lot of seasons of ASB under his belt, none of the rest have anywhere near stamped their mark on the first team. Not at all saying this is all Ernie's fault, but it is a big blow to his Plan A in terms of team development.
Rufer and Ridenton v. Koren and Mooy?
that's kids and pre-season shurley?
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We looked like a club team playing a HAL team. Sure, preseason, players out, players to come in, ra-de-ra... but there is much work to be done - both in recruiting a few more bodies but also in applying whatever it is Ernie wants the boys to be doing - because last night they looked a metre of the pace and disorganised.
If Ernie wasn't clear on how far away we are (tho I like to think he was), he certainly is now.
Having said that, I also trust him to do it.
Ernie: not bothered, too many kids on the field, move along nothing to see here.
Fair?
That's what he's saying in public, but I reckon he'll actually be a bit worried about this.
Third season of pro football for Rufer & Ridenton and they don't sound like they're ready to step up. Patchy reports for the other young players, and a huge part of Ernie's plan has been to nurture these young kiwis into the first team. So far what success has he had? Fenton was blooded in by Ricki, Krishna had a lot of seasons of ASB under his belt, none of the rest have anywhere near stamped their mark on the first team. Not at all saying this is all Ernie's fault, but it is a big blow to his Plan A in terms of team development.
I bite.
Tam DiMairo put in a bloody good performance. Not perfect, but very good. He didn't look outcalssed at all. And he is inexperienced and will only get better. Success.
Joel Stevens also was very positive, sharp, and threatening. Success.
Oliver Sail - New Plymouth man of the match - Success. (So far, but not yet vs A League opposition).
Yes, things could have gone better last night, but it wasn't ALL bad.
Have to say, very disappointed. As a team, you can't go out and say that you want to progress further in the Cup and then play a whole lot of youngsters/not your best team (cause you did hardly any recruiting) and blame that for a 5-1 hiding.
I really hope they get busy and recruit at the back, because this clearly isn't working.
Feeling very meh.
Third season of pro football for Rufer & Ridenton and they don't sound like they're ready to step up.
Tam DiMairo put in a bloody good performance. Not perfect, but very good. He didn't look outcalssed at all. And he is inexperienced and will only get better. Success.
Joel Stephens also was very positive, sharp, and threatening. Success.
The other thing to look at is this:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/league-pre-seas...
We are by far the furthest along in our pre-season.
Maybe it was just fatigue from an intensive pre-season and the quick turn around on Sunday. On the other hand we should have been the best prepared.
The other thing to look at is this:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/league-pre-seas...
We are by far the furthest along in our pre-season.
Maybe it was just fatigue from an intensive pre-season and the quick turn around on Sunday.
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Ernie: not bothered, too many kids on the field, move along nothing to see here.
Fair?
That's what he's saying in public, but I reckon he'll actually be a bit worried about this.
Third season of pro football for Rufer & Ridenton and they don't sound like they're ready to step up. Patchy reports for the other young players, and a huge part of Ernie's plan has been to nurture these young kiwis into the first team. So far what success has he had? Fenton was blooded in by Ricki, Krishna had a lot of seasons of ASB under his belt, none of the rest have anywhere near stamped their mark on the first team. Not at all saying this is all Ernie's fault, but it is a big blow to his Plan A in terms of team development.
I bite.
Tam DiMairo put in a bloody good performance. Not perfect, but very good. He didn't look outcalssed at all. And he is inexperienced and will only get better. Success.
Joel Stephens also was very positive, sharp, and threatening. Success.
Oliver Sail - New Plymouth man of the match - Success. (So far, but not yet vs A League opposition).
Yes, things could have gone better last night, but it wasn't ALL bad.
But we were all saying the same things about Doyle after the United tour last year and how did that work out? My point is that there seems to be a huge difference between having a couple of good games in pre-season, and stamping your mark on the first team when the season gets going. Obviously Ernie is doing a great job at nurturing young NZ talent, but also think that it must be a bit of a worry for him that that this is yet to translate into people pushing for regular first team spots. Maybe that will happen this year, and we'll have Rufer, Ridenton, DiMairo, Stephens, Gully etc all in the starting line-up at the end of season, but it hasn't happened yet.
Ernie: not bothered, too many kids on the field, move along nothing to see here.
Fair?
That's what he's saying in public, but I reckon he'll actually be a bit worried about this.
Third season of pro football for Rufer & Ridenton and they don't sound like they're ready to step up. Patchy reports for the other young players, and a huge part of Ernie's plan has been to nurture these young kiwis into the first team. So far what success has he had? Fenton was blooded in by Ricki, Krishna had a lot of seasons of ASB under his belt, none of the rest have anywhere near stamped their mark on the first team. Not at all saying this is all Ernie's fault, but it is a big blow to his Plan A in terms of team development.
I thought this already at the U20 Worldcup, Rufer and Ridenton are going nowhere. And yes, Fenton and Boyd showed more promise at that age and time at the club.
Rufer. Was dragged because Vinniesta was needed to help Riera defensively in front of a slow and stretched back 3. Problem is Rufer is really competing for Roly or Weemac or ARod's spot. He's not really a front 3 player, IMO. Table pressure, lack of injuries, good form from the others last season meant he didn't get much of a look. If it's more of the same this season he won't be looking for a new club as a centre forward, will he?
Ridenton. I think the kid is lost. He doesn't look comfortable in the wide positions he's been asked to play. If he's looking for a new club next season, it won't be as a wing back or wide player.
Blake. Unfortunate, but wasn't helped by the performance of the players around him i thought. Stuck at it and was better in 2nd half when we had a back 4. He's a kid, keep working with him.
Dad's Army defence. There is no-one in the squad to put any serious pressure on them. Opportunity there for Doyle if he's good enough. We missed a trick last season not playing Boxall at CB far more often. There were reasons for it, but succession planning and all that.
U21 contracts. DiMairo and Stevens for me, not 17 year old schoolboys.
Nurturing NZ talent. Becoming a first team player requires them to be surrounded by experienced players playing well. If you put any of theses 19-21 year old kids in a position that suits them surrounded by first teamers, with a consistent run, either starting or as subs in competition games as opposed to the training paddock, you then get a better chance to evaluate whether they have the goods or not. Would love to see this approach; but I'm not about to tell Ernie how to coach. He's forgotten more than I'll ever know.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
If Ernie is going to say this after a game, questions should be asked about whether its worth playing a friendly 3 days before a competitive fixture. These FFA Cup games should have been the focus of the preseason games because they mean something, and it was a good chance to get a proper hit out to see where the team is at.
With Doyle out Manny should have really played in the left fullback/wingback role. Its asking a lot of a young guy like Blake to come into the first team and play out of position. Sure, then we might not have been able to play a back 3 but really would that have been a loss? I guess it's still experimental at this stage but I think the gist is that we are a long way from being ready for the season proper. God, we need to sign some defensive cover though
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I thought Dimairo looked relatively comfortable last night and stevens also didnt look out of place. I think that Ridenton and Rufer should be further along than they are currently. Rufer as a centre forward?......NO
" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow
If Ernie is going to say this after a game, questions should be asked about whether its worth playing a friendly 3 days before a competitive fixture. These FFA Cup games should have been the focus of the preseason games because they mean something, and it was a good chance to get a proper hit out to see where the team is at.
Well the FFA cup fixtures were anounced after the round of 32 and the Phoenix had already sold tickets to the NZA game, kind of hard to change it at such short notice.
I also suspect we don't actually care about the Cup seeing as we're hamstrung by never playing at home. I think the win over the Mariners wasn't planned so this game was just an obligation rather than a planned part of the club's efforts.
If Ernie is going to say this after a game, questions should be asked about whether its worth playing a friendly 3 days before a competitive fixture. These FFA Cup games should have been the focus of the preseason games because they mean something, and it was a good chance to get a proper hit out to see where the team is at.
Well the FFA cup fixtures were anounced after the round of 32 and the Phoenix had already sold tickets to the NZA game, kind of hard to change it at such short notice.
Ernie: not bothered, too many kids on the field, move along nothing to see here.
Fair?
Not buying it, we're coasting into this season with a VERY young and frankly, very weak squad
Normo's coming home
"Did Powell, Rufer, Ridenton, Rodriguez, Appiah or Doyle play a role in the game? What did they look like?"
Rufer dragged after 35, Rido at HT - read into that what you will, but neither did much one would consider good while on. The other four didn't play.
Blake did OK? Do me a favour! He couldn't even take a throw-in properly! At this level, that's inexcusable! And as for his first half effort ... don't go there! Well out of his depth at this level.
Italiano played like one - diving over the ball far too often, which isn't wise given his position! Three of the goals would have been kept out by a superior 'keeper. Thankfully, Wellington have one to call upon, and a good back-up who was on the bench tonight.
Defence generally had more holes than you'll find in a colander. Could well have been more than five - goals, that is, not holes! It looked like there were a few square pegs in round holes as well - Muscat as a stopper? No. N. O. No.
As someone else mentioned, Dimairo was the only bright spot defensively. I tipped him last season as one who would step up to the plate - he didn't disappoint. Solid effort.
Stevens caught the eye consistently in his 45 minutes, while Bonevacia impressed in patches.
All in all, even though it's pre-season, one of Wellington's worst displays ever, to be blunt.
Whichever team you support, and no matter where or when they are playing, you expect those charged with donning the shirt of your club to go out and do it - and you, as a supporter, whom those players are representing every time they take to the park - justice.
There's a fair few lads who didn't fulfil that basic expectation in this match, for mine. Plenty of work to be done between now and October 11, that's for sure.
Agrre with this - but Dimario was the one who did the foul throw :) was a shocker.
a.haak
Dont worry guys, according to some commenters on Facebook we showed patches of brilliance and were unlucky not to win.
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Rufer. Was dragged because Vinniesta was needed to help Riera defensively in front of a slow and stretched back 3. Problem is Rufer is really competing for Roly or Weemac or ARod's spot. He's not really a front 3 player, IMO. Table pressure, lack of injuries, good form from the others last season meant he didn't get much of a look. If it's more of the same this season he won't be looking for a new club as a centre forward, will he?
Ridenton. I think the kid is lost. He doesn't look comfortable in the wide positions he's been asked to play. If he's looking for a new club next season, it won't be as a wing back or wide player.
Blake. Unfortunate, but wasn't helped by the performance of the players around him i thought. Stuck at it and was better in 2nd half when we had a back 4. He's a kid, keep working with him.
Dad's Army defence. There is no-one in the squad to put any serious pressure on them. Opportunity there for Doyle if he's good enough. We missed a trick last season not playing Boxall at CB far more often. There were reasons for it, but succession planning and all that.
U21 contracts. DiMairo and Stevens for me, not 17 year old schoolboys.
Nurturing NZ talent. Becoming a first team player requires them to be surrounded by experienced players playing well. If you put any of theses 19-21 year old kids in a position that suits them surrounded by first teamers, with a consistent run, either starting or as subs in competition games as opposed to the training paddock, you then get a better chance to evaluate whether they have the goods or not. Would love to see this approach; but I'm not about to tell Ernie how to coach. He's forgotten more than I'll ever know.
I think Stevens is the best of the young kiwis we could sign, but we already have Krishna, Appiah, Powell and Sarpong, so already have many players like him. Maybe it would be better to have a CF (Hailemariam maybe?). But I do think Dimairo should be in the squad this season, or someone who can plays as a RB like Blake or Gulley
Rosario Central, the All Whites, Waitakere United and the mighty Phoenix! speaker of engrish
"Did Powell, Rufer, Ridenton, Rodriguez, Appiah or Doyle play a role in the game? What did they look like?"
Rufer dragged after 35, Rido at HT - read into that what you will, but neither did much one would consider good while on. The other four didn't play.
Blake did OK? Do me a favour! He couldn't even take a throw-in properly! At this level, that's inexcusable! And as for his first half effort ... don't go there! Well out of his depth at this level.
Italiano played like one - diving over the ball far too often, which isn't wise given his position! Three of the goals would have been kept out by a superior 'keeper. Thankfully, Wellington have one to call upon, and a good back-up who was on the bench tonight.
Defence generally had more holes than you'll find in a colander. Could well have been more than five - goals, that is, not holes! It looked like there were a few square pegs in round holes as well - Muscat as a stopper? No. N. O. No.
As someone else mentioned, Dimairo was the only bright spot defensively. I tipped him last season as one who would step up to the plate - he didn't disappoint. Solid effort.
Stevens caught the eye consistently in his 45 minutes, while Bonevacia impressed in patches.
All in all, even though it's pre-season, one of Wellington's worst displays ever, to be blunt.
Whichever team you support, and no matter where or when they are playing, you expect those charged with donning the shirt of your club to go out and do it - and you, as a supporter, whom those players are representing every time they take to the park - justice.
There's a fair few lads who didn't fulfil that basic expectation in this match, for mine. Plenty of work to be done between now and October 11, that's for sure.
Agrre with this - but Dimario was the one who did the foul throw :) was a shocker.
No, it was Blake, definitely Blake.
But I do think Dimairo should be in the squad this season, or someone who can plays as a RB like Blake or Gulley
Tam DiMairo plays right back.
But I do think Dimairo should be in the squad this season, or someone who can plays as a RB like Blake or Gulley
Tam DiMairo plays right back.
I know, I was saying we need him or someone like him
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Ah yes. Post loss angst at its best.
Reminds me of round 1 last year when we were doomed, season over and our imports were shark and Ernie should be sacked.
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Ah yes. Post loss angst at its best.
Reminds me of round 1 last year when we were doomed, season over and our imports were shark and Ernie should be sacked.
Well it was 5-1 vs Heart, if it was 5-1 vs Victory then there would be (marginally) less angst.
Ah yes. Post loss angst at its best.
Reminds me of round 1 last year when we were doomed, season over and our imports were shark and Ernie should be sacked.
I don't know if people said that after round 1 last year but no one has actually said any of those things in this thread.
