Newcastle Jets - Better than C-Diddy would hope.

terminator_x2012-04-12 15:37:13

Yeah, at the time he said "5mill, that seems a fair fee to acquire the newcastle Jets" he then signed the papers, and paid the money.

The article does make it sound similar, but Terry loved the club, something Tinkler made very clear that he didn't from day 1.

Why? I go back to the contractors analogy - different parties negotiate different deals. If the FFA went to the Tinkler and said it'll cost you 5 mil, Tinkler says yes, then why is it his business that the Adelaide owners potentially said no and negotiated it down?

Yeah, if you buy a house in a tender for $500k and then find out later that the next highest tender was $400k you don't get to sue the owners. You paid what you thought it was worth.

Sure but if the Government sells you a house for 500k and then you find out that it gave another guy a similar house for free after telling you that 500k was a fair price you'd be kinda pissed off. And that's a more accurate analogy then yours.
I'm not necessarily saying that the FFA were wrong to do that, but I think an reasonable explanation would help them save face.
Tinkler's only real claim is that the FFA exploited him in that transaction, if the FFA can show why this is not the case that will help them in court and in the public eye.
The credibility of both parties largely rests on this.

Obviously besides this there is the allegations of incompetence against the FFA which some other club owners assert. And lack of club involvement in the future of the league. The FFA needs to show that they are addressing these issues. They have made some in roads but need to show more that they will take criticisms and input from clubs and endeavor to act on and remedy these.

The FFA is the governing body of the league. This wasn't simply a negotiation between two private individuals as per the house analogy. It was a negotiation between the governing body of the league and another party, hence my assertion that the government analogy is more accurate.
Two private parties have a right to rip each other off I suppose but the FFA should always conduct itself in a upfront and undeceiving way, otherwise how can the other clubs and players place trust in it?asmodeus_822012-04-12 17:39:57

I'm not saying Tinklers in the right, he is most definitely in the wrong. I just think the FFA needs to provide a reasonable explanation to bring its self and its actions out of disrepute. Tinkler is trying to make the FFA seem like a bad guy, they need to show that they're not.

Well, the FFA I don't think would be allowed to discuss the details of deals done with other bids and I don't think your analogy is quite right - if you had said a house and a empty plot of land then that would be slightly more apt.

Yeah the most accurate Analogy would have something to do freight trucks and licenses being free or expensive depending on whether or not you have a truck and/or goods to ship.
Does anyone know if its true that Adelaide got a license for a pre-existing club for nothing? I've only seen Tinkler say it and can't find any details about the transaction.

imagine this was the nix 9 or ten or whatever how spewing would you be right now?

I think you are severely underestimating Tinkler's ability to conduct a negotiation.

For goodness sake, when the GCU thing was going down Clive Palmer was even suggesting that he and Tinkler be the negotiating team for the new TV deal!

Think you are all missing something Tinkler wanted the Knights NRL team and a coal loader built.The Knights played hardball so to show he was genuine he took on the Jets and played the people of Newcastle with his BS about doing it for the community the Knights rolled over albeit with a $20 million dollar bank deposit.

Miron gives his thoughts.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/bleiberg-opinion-display/ALeague-licences-and-awards/46830

Been there, done that. this was from last year

essential reading...

Interesting, the FFA certainly arnt blamless and Tinkler has proven in the past to be a shyte to deal with.Interesting to see it also looks like he may be facing a pretty big employment law suite.

Attention: Frank Lowy
Chairman - Football Federation Australia

AN OPEN LETTER TO THE FFA

Dear Mr Lowy

We write to you as a matter of urgency on behalf of the Newcastle Jets contracted players in the A-League competition.

We are all devastated that the Hunter Sports Group has returned its A-League licence but also acknowledge their reasons for doing so.

Since Nathan Tinkler's involvement with the Jets we have been privileged to play with one of the most professional clubs in the A-League competition. The fact that many of our young players had the opportunity to play against David Beckham and the LA Galaxy was just one of the many unique experiences we have had.

We have all noticed a massive change for the better with community engagement, a true pathway for young locals, a 10,000 membership base, large and enthusiastic crowds and above all, a real connection with the community.

We are all very proud to have contributed to this massive change under the leadership and vision of the Hunter Sports Group.

As a sign of good faith from HSG we can confirm that our salaries for this month have been paid in advance.

We have no doubt there are two sides to a dispute like this, however we feel it is critical that the issues between HSG and the FFA are addressed as a matter of urgency.

Over the past seven years we have seen a variety of clubs collapse and others change ownership. This is not a stable environment for the competition, players and the fans.

Jets previous owner Con Constantine lost many millions of dollars and was forced to walk away from the game he loves after his team had its licence revoked because of financial problems.

Our game needs the type of people who are prepared to back football with their money, passion and beliefs for the game.

It is very disappointing to see so many clubs change hands in the A-League, and so many contracted players at risk.

We therefore ask you on behalf of the Jets players and fans, as the governing body, to address all issues with current owners before it becomes irretrievable.

We believe it is incumbent on the current A-League and FFA management to do everything in its power to protect the game, the players and the fans for the future of football in Australia.

With respect
MICHAEL BRIDGES
On behalf of:
Ryan Griffiths, Marko Jesic, Ben Kennedy, Jobe Wheelhouse, Ruben Zadkovich, Mitchell Oxborrow, Connor Chapman, Jack Duncan, Ben Kantarovski, Jacob Pepper, James Virgili

I hope Miron picks up a gig somewhere (CCM or the unicorns?). He at least keeps things entertaining for everyone.

entertaining maybe, good for football or the a-league? less likely

Miron is good coach.

I have reservations about him.

He only had young players left.Coached Roar and they played great football but could not score or win.

I would take Mulvey over Miron, he had similar style but they seemed to respond better for him.

To be fair Mulvey was the coach of youth of team, which is pretty much what GCU was by then. He already had a extended pre-existing coaching relationship and understanding with most of the team.
He did coach them to top the youth league but we can't say much about Miron for not doing as well with them.
You'd expect the youth team to perform better under the youth team coach than under the first team coach wouldn't you?

Cockerill's view of events
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/game-of-two-halves-too-many-billionaires-20120413-1wyp3.html



and the tit for tat  continues between FFA and Tinkler/HSG

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/fresh-twist-in-newcastle-jets-drama-as-ffa-claim-nathan-tinkler-owes-millions-from-original-purchase/story-e6frf4gl-1226326390091
RedGed2012-04-14 12:19:59

That is a couple reports now suggesting that its Tinkler's cash flow problems as the reasons for this.

Big right up in this mornings SMH about Tinkler makes interesting reading.

This one?

http://www.smh.com.au/business/tinklers-treasure-chest-lies-under-the-boardwalk-20120413-1wyuc.html

Does make his empire seem like a house of cards. Without the passion to own a football club, I can see why he wants out if he is having cash flow problems.

So, from the article appears this massive partnership proposal is set to be a done deal which means Tinkler is likely to be even more bossy, bulletproof and insufferable.Marvellous.

Will be interesting if there's anything that could possibly upset the deal?

Reports now that Tinkler hasn't even paid the vast majority of the money he is complaining about, other than the initial payment when contract was signed. FFA withheld scheduled payments to recoup costs, but claim over half still owed!

Oh Oh. That explains it.

Someone slipped him a copy of Ahsan Ali Syed's epic "Guide to Football Club Ownership"

Door remains slightly ajar for Tinkler to rescind withdrawal threat but FFA stays wary

"The chances of Nathan Tinkler withdrawing his threat to hand back the Newcastle Jets licence are increasing by the day, but if the coal baron is to remain as owner he will have to abide by a new set of stringent conditions demanded by Football Federation Australia. If the notoriously belligerent Tinkler isn't prepared to compromise, a new ownership structure incorporating a rival mining magnate, Andrew Poole, could take control of the Jets by the end of the month, and the FFA will then chase Tinkler for a massive damages claim. April 30, when a number of player contracts run out, is seen as the deadline for the issue to be resolved through negotiation." Read more

Tinklers deals went through yesterday, so now he is (on paper) even more of a rich dick



hepatitis2012-04-17 22:24:51

Just needs Federal Court approval tomorrow but nearly done deal
http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/pay-day-for-nathan-tinkler/2523514.aspx

This article could just as easily be titled "Ben Buckley and Troy Palmer still a couple of pig-headed twats who care more about their egos than the Newcastle Jets"

They can't even get a straight story together.
On 442 there are two separate articles on HSG and FFA press release which contradict each other on every other point.
How can the public know what is going on if one party claims a meeting took place and the other claims no such meeting occurred?