Thje stones are coming and playing where? Springsteen came and went, just two quick examples to support my comments.
Why come down to Wellington when you can fly direct to Auckland, and sell out? Hell acts even put two shows on and sell out in Auckland. Hardly the stadiums fault. What exactly is the stadium doing so wrong in your eyes that is putting acts off coming down here?
Well when the stadium proposal was being floated originally, they said that it would be a top venue attracting some of the big bands/groups/singers to Wellington. I do admit that the Thorndon nimby's got all upset over that. Probably thinking that Megadeath or bands as such were going to be playing till 11pm etc. However, singers like Bowie for example are/were ideal for the stadium.
Anyway, back to your question, what could the stadium trust do? Make it more an attractive venue for the artists themselves and or their promoters - they of all people would be able to answer your question better than I. I dont know if it is the fees they are charging, the hospitality or what. I've previously mentions the airport and the shorter runway not helping the cause and that has to be a major consideration. Trucking stuff down from Ohakea might be a work-a-round but then commons sense suggest not.
When they had the two day rock festival there, there were some decent crowds and great acts. AC/DC did an excellent job so it can be done.
Hope this helps.
Well when the stadium proposal was being floated originally, they said that it would be a top venue attracting some of the big bands/groups/singers to Wellington. I do admit that the Thorndon nimby's got all upset over that. Probably thinking that Megadeath or bands as such were going to be playing till 11pm etc. However, singers like Bowie for example are/were ideal for the stadium.
Anyway, back to your question, what could the stadium trust do? Make it more an attractive venue for the artists themselves and or their promoters - they of all people would be able to answer your question better than I. I dont know if it is the fees they are charging, the hospitality or what. I've previously mentions the airport and the shorter runway not helping the cause and that has to be a major consideration. Trucking stuff down from Ohakea might be a work-a-round but then commons sense suggest not.
When they had the two day rock festival there, there were some decent crowds and great acts. AC/DC did an excellent job so it can be done.
Hope this helps.
I'm sure they're trying all that. They'd want acts to come as much as you do. But at the same time, it has to be profitable for both parties. Its hard to compete with Auckland.
I guess I just don't get how you're so up in arms about how its the stadiums fault, without knowing any specific reason as to why. Saying 'Springsteen played in Auckland and he could have played here instead but didn't therefore the stadium isn't doing their job properly' is a tad unfair unless you have specifics to back it up with. Nowhere else in the country had Springsteen play there either.
I was amazed we managed to get ACDC to be honest.
Concert promoters have been on radio to talk about needing an indoor arena. But people still use concerts as a reason for needing more outdoor venues in Wellington?
Westpac Stadium is user-pays, it does that to pay for cool things like a new bar, pitch upgrades, cover for the entrance and refurbishing the concourse area. Do you think there would be less complaints if they were put into the rates bill every year?
Still vote for Westpac 3. Put it at the main junction of the main public transport!
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
Just an aside. On the issue of parking prices. I wonder what makes more? A third full car park at $30 a car. Or, a full car park at $8 a time.
p.s Have enjoyed the debate of the last ten or so posts.
That's fairly simple. The 1/3 @ $30
Assume 99 carparks (arbitrary)
99 x 8 = $792
33 x 30 = $990
It also encourages people to take public transport. Which I assume is part of it.
But then of course there are other factors, like if the price of parking is discouraging people from going to the stadium, that is probably a bad thing yeah? Or do the stadium not care as long as they maximise their revenue?
Concert promoters have been on radio to talk about needing an indoor arena. But people still use concerts as a reason for needing more outdoor venues in Wellington?
Westpac Stadium is user-pays, it does that to pay for cool things like a new bar, pitch upgrades, cover for the entrance and refurbishing the concourse area. Do you think there would be less complaints if they were put into the rates bill every year?
That's fairly simple. The 1/3 @ $30
Assume 99 carparks (arbitrary)
99 x 8 = $792
33 x 30 = $990
It also encourages people to take public transport. Which I assume is part of it.
Gunman's point about carpark pricing is illustrative.
It demonstrates mentality.
The Trust's approach and mandate is to maximise revenue, not just from spectators but in any way they can.
That approach has led to death by a thousand cuts for the spectator experience.
On another point, the idea that WCC is somehow "still paying" for the Stadium may be financially accurate but in isolation a statement like that is tremendously misleading.
I don't think that the stadium have at all done a good job balancing maintaining the thing and keeping up investment in the things fans want ( I hate the term "fan experience"). But I don't think the answer to the phoenix not making money is for The council which means ratepayers to start injecting money - thats just a recipe for disaster and massive push back plus its a complete change in the whole model.
I definitely dont think its been run perfectly, but i dont think the answer is to change tge parameters. In the end they are making money which is their mandate from the trust principles, they just need to be a lot smarter in using that to get more people through the turnstiles
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Exactly. Amazing how upgrades have only come to light with a hint of a Petone move. Pure coincidence of course.
Not really true, the mezannine stuff (which opens soon?) has been in the pipeline for a couple of years. And they've been talking about some of the other stuff, changing the cladding to open up the views etc, for a good few years.
more aimed at Cricket WC 2015 and FIFA U 20 WC 2015..and beyond
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
Just an aside. On the issue of parking prices. I wonder what makes more? A third full car park at $30 a car. Or, a full car park at $8 a time.
p.s Have enjoyed the debate of the last ten or so posts.
Just an aside. On the issue of parking prices. I wonder what makes more? A third full car park at $30 a car. Or, a full car park at $8 a time.
p.s Have enjoyed the debate of the last ten or so posts.
Yup if I cant find free within the time limits for $3 I can park in Stout street.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
Season ticket holders can also park for $10 on match days.
That's $1 more than the usual 12-hour parking fee for the stadium when there are no events.
Season ticket holders can also park for $10 on match days.
That's $1 more than the usual 12-hour parking fee for the stadium when there are no events.
For that $10 parking you have to arrive at the stadium not later than 30 minutes before kick off. Any later and its $30 for the late arrivals.
Also note that prior to this season it was $30 regardless except when they had the odd special. The stadium car park was pretty empty most match days and not full and therefore they were not making any money.
Disabled parking should be free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
Good call. We have a few wheelchair bound fans that sit over in aisle 12. Bloody good people and fans and it's always a pleasure to see them there.
Season ticket holders can also park for $10 on match days.
That's $1 more than the usual 12-hour parking fee for the stadium when there are no events.
Just an aside. On the issue of parking prices. I wonder what makes more? A third full car park at $30 a car. Or, a full car park at $8 a time.
p.s Have enjoyed the debate of the last ten or so posts.
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
Just an aside. On the issue of parking prices. I wonder what makes more? A third full car park at $30 a car. Or, a full car park at $8 a time.
p.s Have enjoyed the debate of the last ten or so posts.
Yup if I cant find free within the time limits for $3 I can park in Stout street.
Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
Council Meeting Agenda that includes Petone Arena report
Interesting reading.
According to the report what your rates would go up by to raise $25 million...
In essence this would mean rates increases of an additional 1% over and above CPI for the next five years, ie the draft budget includes a 1% adjustment per annum for the two years ending 30 June 2015 and 30 June 2106. On average a 1% adjustment for the average Hutt City ratepayer is approximately $20 per year.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
A stumbling block is $3-5million needs to be raised aside from the council, Welnix and naming rights.
They also project positive cashflows for each year for the next 7 years, but depreciation makes for quite a decent accounting loss. So they propose a $1-2 ticket levy to create a fund to replace assets as need be.
There's a public meeting tonight for anyone who wants to go. I can't make it.
On Tuesday night I'm turning up to a public council meeting to speak on behalf of Fever fans. Let me know anything you think I should say.
I note that the NIMBY team are arranging a large group to go to this, so it would be good if I could rustle up a small support crew. Drop me a line if you can come (6pm, Council building in Lower Hutt) and we can arrange to meet up beforehand:- smithy@yellowfever.co.nz
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Just an aside. On the issue of parking prices. I wonder what makes more? A third full car park at $30 a car. Or, a full car park at $8 a time.
p.s Have enjoyed the debate of the last ten or so posts.
Yup if I cant find free within the time limits for $3 I can park in Stout street.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
There's a public meeting tonight for anyone who wants to go. I can't make it.
On Tuesday night I'm turning up to a public council meeting to speak on behalf of Fever fans. Let me know anything you think I should say.
I note that the NIMBY team are arranging a large group to go to this, so it would be good if I could rustle up a small support crew. Drop me a line if you can come (6pm, Council building in Lower Hutt) and we can arrange to meet up beforehand:- smithy@yellowfever.co.nz
Hutt Park raceway, essentially on the rail line, a new station could be built. How many of the 5000 fans at present don't use the train to come to games? Doubt you'd lose too many fans with such a move. How long does it take by train to go from kaiwharawhara to woburn. In fact looking at the map, a train line goes right hehind the raceway land
Now the Wellington Chamber of Commerce are having their ten cents worth.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1403/S00530/wellington-chamber-urges-hutt-to-delay-stadium-decision.htm
"In our view it would be irresponsible for councillors to possibly commit the region to a bill of $25 million and at least $350,000 a year this close to a decision on amalgamation."
That $350K is about $1 per head across the region. Oh my!
Something else. From the council.
No, the CFT have proposed a stadium. A STADIUM. The DimPost used the term and suddenly reason was lost.....
By the way a defintion of boutique is
There's a public meeting tonight for anyone who wants to go. I can't make it.
On Tuesday night I'm turning up to a public council meeting to speak on behalf of Fever fans. Let me know anything you think I should say.
I note that the NIMBY team are arranging a large group to go to this, so it would be good if I could rustle up a small support crew. Drop me a line if you can come (6pm, Council building in Lower Hutt) and we can arrange to meet up beforehand:- smithy@yellowfever.co.nz
1] Will email you and 2] Will seek the wife's approval for the meeting.
Would love to hear how it went tonight. Gutted I can't make it.
For Tuesday from the NAYSAYERS.
· alert you to a changed time forTuesday’s Council meeting- it starts at6pm- in the Council chambers. It would be good to be there 10 minutes early, especially if you’d like to speak (in the first 30mins members of the public are able to speak for up to 3 minutes each on topics in the agenda). The meeting secretary will ask who would like to speak.
Once the “Petone Arena” is in the Draft Annual Plan it has the initial endorsement of the Council, which will make it much harder to stop, despite the ‘consultation period’. Tuesday’s meeting is a chance to convince the Council not to include the $25 million for the Arena in the Plan, so it would be good to have lots of people present, maybe with placards.
· These are some of the key issues and arguments that we think still need to be addressed:
·
· the need for a stadium was not established before the specific proposal came up
· the Council officer’s report was written by the officer who has been behind the development of the proposal – which means it is not an independent view
· there is still so much work to do that this idea is nowhere near ready for decision-making
· there is no need for a rushed decision on such an expensive and risky project
· the community stands to lose most of its green space – not only through the ‘stadium’ but also because we will be excluded from any open green left space so that Phoenix can have their daily practice
· this will cost the community 3% extra on rates for something where the main benefits will be private
Check out the second to last line. Hmm....
....and also the comment about the council officer's 'independent view'. If this goes to the council plan then independent scrutiny will be taken. So the officer’s perspective, in my understanding, does not matter at this point. Hmm...
I wish I better knew how to challenge the last line.
Now the Wellington Chamber of Commerce are having their ten cents worth.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1403/S00530/wellington-chamber-urges-hutt-to-delay-stadium-decision.htm
"In our view it would be irresponsible for councillors to possibly commit the region to a bill of $25 million and at least $350,000 a year this close to a decision on amalgamation."
That $350K is about $1 per head across the region. Oh my!
"The economic impact assessment completed by Horwath HTL suggests new
spend or incremental economic a
ctivity in Hutt City would be on average
$6.1 million per annum for the first five years ($30.5 million over five years),
or an increase in Hutt City GDP in the order of $4.5 to $5 million per annum."
West Island - Central Coast Mariners
For Tuesday from the NAYSAYERS.
· alert you to a changed time forTuesday’s Council meeting- it starts at6pm- in the Council chambers. It would be good to be there 10 minutes early, especially if you’d like to speak (in the first 30mins members of the public are able to speak for up to 3 minutes each on topics in the agenda). The meeting secretary will ask who would like to speak.
Once the “Petone Arena” is in the Draft Annual Plan it has the initial endorsement of the Council, which will make it much harder to stop, despite the ‘consultation period’. Tuesday’s meeting is a chance to convince the Council not to include the $25 million for the Arena in the Plan, so it would be good to have lots of people present, maybe with placards.
· These are some of the key issues and arguments that we think still need to be addressed:
·
· the need for a stadium was not established before the specific proposal came up
· the Council officer’s report was written by the officer who has been behind the development of the proposal – which means it is not an independent view
· there is still so much work to do that this idea is nowhere near ready for decision-making
· there is no need for a rushed decision on such an expensive and risky project
· the community stands to lose most of its green space – not only through the ‘stadium’ but also because we will be excluded from any open green left space so that Phoenix can have their daily practice
· this will cost the community 3% extra on rates for something where the main benefits will be private
Check out the second to last line. Hmm....
....and also the comment about the council officer's 'independent view'. If this goes to the council plan then independent scrutiny will be taken. So the officer’s perspective, in my understanding, does not matter at this point. Hmm...
I wish I better knew how to challenge the last line.
Unbelievable. Most of that is directly contradicted by the report that is being put forward to the council (that I posted above). They clearly haven't read it.
That pisses me off. Scaremongering and disinformation.
How stupid do the Wellington Chamber of Commerce think some of us are.The reason LHCC want this to be started along with some of the other projects in the pipeline is that once any amalgamation goes through.The chances of significant projects being started out this way are buggar all as we all know where the money will be spent.
Wondering if those in the village are also planning on protesting the building of the 2 new proposed hotels on the Esplanade,cant have that village feeling disappear.
They have already protested the workingmens club hotel, they are fighting the Ryman village. I'm sure they will protest hotels.
They will also pass a huge amount of misinformation about all those as well. Small town 1950s New Zealand attitudes alive and kicking 60 years later.
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