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AFC President message to FFA: no NZ teams by 2011

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SiNZ wrote:
[QUOTE=Lonegunmen] 
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However, FIFA cannot dictate to AFC that they must split. They don't have the authority. They could suggest it and provide incentives. The AFC have to decide to split and I can't see them doing that. The East Asian countries that would "gain" the Pacific Islands and lose Western Asia would never vote for it. There would have to be a big carrot... like a world cup hosting for each side in 2018 and 2022?


I would think that as the governing body of world football FIFA could tell the AFC to do what they wanted.
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Teza wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
[QUOTE=Lonegunmen] 
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However, FIFA cannot dictate to AFC that they must split. They don't have the authority. They could suggest it and provide incentives. The AFC have to decide to split and I can't see them doing that. The East Asian countries that would "gain" the Pacific Islands and lose Western Asia would never vote for it. There would have to be a big carrot... like a world cup hosting for each side in 2018 and 2022?


I would think that as the governing body of world football FIFA could tell the AFC to do what they wanted.
 
What in the same way that UEFA can tell the Premier League to do?
 
It's not as simple as FIFA can tell the AFC to do what they wanted. There are regulations that govern the relationship between confederations and FIFA. The AFC would successfully challenge any FIFA directive that did not abide by those regulations.
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SiNZ wrote:
Teza wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
[QUOTE=Lonegunmen] 
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However, FIFA cannot dictate to AFC that they must split. They don't have the authority. They could suggest it and provide incentives. The AFC have to decide to split and I can't see them doing that. The East Asian countries that would "gain" the Pacific Islands and lose Western Asia would never vote for it. There would have to be a big carrot... like a world cup hosting for each side in 2018 and 2022?


I would think that as the governing body of world football FIFA could tell the AFC to do what they wanted.
 
What in the same way that UEFA can tell the Premier League to do?
 
It's not as simple as FIFA can tell the AFC to do what they wanted. There are regulations that govern the relationship between confederations and FIFA. The AFC would successfully challenge any FIFA directive that did not abide by those regulations.
 
But surely FIFA can just go....well your bunch of plonkers to the AFC and take their 0.5 world cup spot and give it straight to OFC. Meaning we have qualified already for 2010.

I say tackle him in the face.

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Yeah I think they could do something like that Santy (though probably for 2014 on, as the 2010 regulations are set I'm not sure they can legally pull the plug without some kind of due process). That plays to my point though. FIFA can provide a carrot or, as with your example, a stick to incentivise the AFC. They cannot come in and re-org the AFC unless the AFC agree to it - which puts us back to the carrot/stick way of getting the AFC to agree to something they would otherwise vote against.

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SiNZ wrote:

Yeah I think they could do something like that Santy (though probably for 2014 on, as the 2010 regulations are set I'm not sure they can legally pull the plug without some kind of due process). That plays to my point though. FIFA can provide a carrot or, as with your example, a stick to incentivise the AFC. They cannot come in and re-org the AFC unless the AFC agree to it - which puts us back to the carrot/stick way of getting the AFC to agree to something they would otherwise vote against.

Well FIFA heads the structure...they do what they want when they see fit.
 
Hopefuly they look favourably on NZ/Phoenix.
 
We must have earned some brownie points during the u17 world cup.

I say tackle him in the face.

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santy wrote:
SiNZ wrote:

Yeah I think they could do something like that Santy (though probably for 2014 on, as the 2010 regulations are set I'm not sure they can legally pull the plug without some kind of due process). That plays to my point though. FIFA can provide a carrot or, as with your example, a stick to incentivise the AFC. They cannot come in and re-org the AFC unless the AFC agree to it - which puts us back to the carrot/stick way of getting the AFC to agree to something they would otherwise vote against.

Well FIFA heads the structure...they do what they want when they see fit.
 
Hopefuly they look favourably on NZ/Phoenix.
 
We must have earned some brownie points during the u17 world cup.
 
FIFA can't do "what they want when they see fit" if it goes against the FIFA Statutes. Only the FIFA Congress have the power to change the statutes. FIFA cannot do it themselves. The FIFA Congress is made up of member representatives.
 
Congress appoint the Executive Committee, who look after the day-to-day decision making. Congress is made up of confederation representatives. AFC have four reps in total on a Committee of 24. There are a number of standing sub-committees, of which none have authorisation over confederation structure. Re-organising a confederation falls outside the defined authority of the Emergency Committee. Actually, it doesn't seem to fit any of the authorities granted to the Executive Committee either.
 
The Statutes do not provide for FIFA changing the structure of the confederations. It would need to be raised and presented to Congress. As the statutes stipulate the confederations, such a change would probably be interpreted as a change in statutes, in which case 75% of the membership is required. That means that (208 x 75%) 156 countries must vote in favour. Therefore pretty much everyone else in the world must vote to split them, if the AFC is to  reluctant to vote in favour in order to be passed.
 
*edited to correct my maths!
 
 
 
SiNZ2008-12-05 18:38:50
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Some Statute excerpts that are relevant to us:
20.2 FIFA may, in exceptional circumstances, authorise a Confederation to grant membership to an Association that belongs geographically to another continent and is not affiliated to the Confederation on that continent. The opinion of the Confederation concerned geographically shall be obtained. (As in Australia, Israel, etc)
 
20.3.K exceptionally to allow, with FIFA�s consent, an Association from another Confederation (or clubs belonging to that Association) to participate in a competition that it is organising (as in us, Wrexham, Vaduz, etc)
 
20.5 The Confederations� statutes and regulations shall be submitted to FIFA for approval (AFC cannot go against FIFA statutes either)
 
I wonder what the AFC statutes say... I'll go have a look and report back if I find anything relevant to us.
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That's a hell of a messy post Stevo and I'm not entirely certain why it exists. But on precedent, you remind me of Ambrose Bierce in The Devil's Dictionary (a wonderful piece of work):
 
"In Law, a previous decision, rule or practice which, in the absence of a definite statute, has whatever force and authority a Judge may choose to give it, thereby greatly simplifying his task of doing as he pleases. As there are precedents for everything, he has only to ignore those that make against his interest and accentuate those in the line of his desire. Invention of the precedent elevates the trial-at-law from the low estate of a fortuitous ordeal to the noble attitude of a dirigible arbitrament."
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Dear Mr. Bin Hassam ,

Did you just watch that?
We are the best side in the A-league and it would be a travesty if we were removed.

Best regards,
Ricki Herbert.
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That performance will give the AFC President a lot more ammunition (and it's likely he'll overlook the 3 wins out of 3 we just had).
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Two interesting things to note in the SST today. One was of the Oceania president saying that there should be a Pacific Islands team based in Auckland in the A-League and also him saying that they will try get the Phoenix into the O-League. Find this interesting maybe he forgot that the Phoenix are barely staying in the A-League as it is and Tony P has already said we won't be joining the O-League as we are Australian team.
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I don't place much credence on the OFC president there. Surely he has no real influence on an Australian/Asian Confederation competition to try and get acceptance of a Pacific Islands team. I also can't see how a team in Auckland can be defined as "Pacific Islands" unless there is to be some ethnic selection policy... which presumably would be nationality-based if it is to be defendable. And on the back of the the AFC president's comments, it sounds like a complete non-starter. Seems to me that Oceania should not have allowed Australia to leave if this what they want.
 
The O-League comment seems strange, given that the "door has been shut" on that.
 
All in all, it wouldn't surprise me if these comments are actually obsolete - 6 months old say - and only being given a fresh airing now as it seems topical. The DomPost have a habit of doing that (digging out old news and presenting it as new) with an organisation that I have professional connections with, to our annoyance - I bet that SST are not above doing it too.
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Part of wide ranging  Frank Lowy Interview only copied the AFC & Nix parts
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/regrets-i-have-none--restructure-puts-sydney-fc-in-safe-handssays-lowy/2008/12/09/1228584839557.html



MC: What is the future for Wellington Phoenix after the recent statements from [Asian Football Confederation president] Mohamed Bin Hammam, who said the AFC would not support the club staying in the league past 2011?

FL: I hear him loud and clear. We don't want to lose them if we can.

MC: Do you personally support Wellington staying in the league?

FL: Look, we have to comply with the AFC rules. Wellington may be able to play in Wellington, but they have to comply with the regulations, which means they will have to have a majority of Australian players. Another three or four players and they are there, no?

MC: Is there a way out of this for the Phoenix?

FL: There is two-and-a-half more years. A lot can happen in that time. We will do our best to keep them in.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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Looks like the only way we'll be able to stay in the league is to field all aussies except 4 NZ 'imports'.

If that happens I think people are going to find it hard to support them.
valeo2008-12-10 12:29:51

a.haak

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valeo wrote:

Looks like the only way we'll be able to stay in the league is to field all aussies except 4 NZ 'imports'.If that happens I think people are going to find it hard to support them.
Yes though the comment about us only needing 4 more australians was confusing we currently have 13 kiwis. I also wonder if any of our current New Zealand players possibly have a Aussie passport like Smeltz/Moss might.
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Well it would be 5 imports starting next season. With the addition of even more A-League teams in the future I believe that number will rise even more. What this will come down to is how we can keep young Kiwis coming through and not taking up a import spot if they're not really playing (Draper etc.). That will be the trick. But with Smeltz and Moss leaving, we get a Bosnich and somkeone like Porter (I know it won't be him but...) and we are pretty close to getting the number to a managable level. And there is still a long way to go on all this.
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valeo wrote:
Looks like the only way we'll be able to stay in the league is to field all aussies except 4 NZ 'imports'.

If that happens I think people are going to find it hard to support them.
 
I have no problem supporting the Warriors or Breakers and they have large numbers of non-Kiwis. It seems a lot of people don't. Massive stadiums in the UK are packed every week fir football clubs that don't have that many English or local players playing. If they win, then peoploe will support them. That's what I believe anyway.
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Warriors and the Breakers have a significant Kiwi component, rather than "token Kiwis".

Not to mention Bin Hammam wants to, IIRC, make the A-League change the import rules so that a certain amount of import slots must be for players from AFC nations. I think I remember him saying that the Phoenix could only have 3 Kiwis after 2011?
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robbwatson wrote:
Warriors and the Breakers have a significant Kiwi component, rather than "token Kiwis". Not to mention Bin Hammam wants to, IIRC, make the A-League change the import rules so that a certain amount of import slots must be for players from AFC nations. I think I remember him saying that the Phoenix could only have 3 Kiwis after 2011?
Import rules for the ACL is 3 overseas players for the A-league it is 4 with it increasing to 5 next season.
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Wasn't referring to the ACL. I think he wants to make it 4/5 imports, of which 1/2 must be Asian.
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robbwatson wrote:
Wasn't referring to the ACL. I think he wants to make it 4/5 imports, of which 1/2 must be Asian.
No but you said three kiwis and that comment he made was referring to the ACL not the a-league. Tbh I doubt he knows how many import spots there are in the A-league.
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Ah I see now, thanks for clearing that up 
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Obviously Lowry is on our side....but its starts to get messy if we HAVE to field a majority of Aussies. I guess fringe players like Mulligan, Coveny and Plodder could go if we need 3 or 4 more OZ players. It still sucks though!
 
Actually the only reason the A-League wants a NZ team is the $$$. They are not doing it to help out NZ football. Most of the revenue for the A-League comes from TV rights and sponsors. FoxTV on sells the A-League to SkyTV in NZ. That makes them very happy.....and if the broadcaster is very happy then Football Australia is happy. Ditto the sponsors...they get exposure in another country for nothing extra. That is why FFA will fight to keep the Phoenix on board.
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Not sure if Frank Lowy is on our side. He said very clearly that the Phoenix need to follow the regulations, and I take that to mean AFC regulations.
 
Also the A-League will likely go free to air in Australia once the current Fox deal ends, so they will become irrelevant. Surely Hyundai and Quaint-ass would like to keep the extra market though.
 
Also interesting that he says he can count on Oceania's vote regarding the 2018 World Cup, would be nice if that could be conditional on keeping the Phoenix in the A-League, however I doubt the OFC would care enough unless we start signing players from the island nations. Even better of course would be if the OFC ceased to exist and we become part of the AFC, then problem solved.
 
 
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The A-League will not go FTA when the next deal is up.

a.haak

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Still think that OFC should pursuit an Oceania professional League rather than A-league. I can't see AFC merging with OFC and then dividing itself two or three way because it would lose competitiveness compare to the other confederations.

However I still think that the honest course that AFC should do is to "assist" OFC out without merging so that by having OFC as a very capable and strong confederation that eventually doesn't need AFC, it proves that there is no need to merge the AFC and OFC and hereby they could refocus back on AFC more. The two fold action would also mean that if there is a forced merger, than AFC would be still in a stronger position with a fully development OFC confederation.

Either way, AFC should still consider working out a way to help OFC to strengthen it's football value because it strengthen their position, one way or another.

Now in what form that it would help is the real question.

Maybe having an couple of OFC winning teams in the president cup or AFC cup and having a two O-League representatives in the ACL (but they can not win it-this is of course after FIFA kick them out of the CWC). I don't know, but it would encourage development on both confederations by having joined confederation competition without really ever needing to merge. To save from being a forced merge, the competition has to run parallel at first and then joined later at the final stages so the top place getters in the each confederation will have their regional runs and then the step up into the next stage would be expected. Still preserves both competitions with a winner.

I rather see the top 4 (of any competition level) from each confederation go knockout rather than having some AFC-OFC challenge games between the winners. Sure AFC team will likely dominate because they are bigger and more professional, but the development value is immerse.
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I'm not sure how to follow the argument that the AFC should help the OFC because it will strengthen the AFC's position? How would you convince the AFC that they should help the OFC? (Bearing in mind that a merger would require approval from the membership and can't actually be otherwise forced.)

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Paulinho wrote:
valeo wrote:
Looks like the only way we'll be able to stay in the league is to field all aussies except 4 NZ 'imports'.

If that happens I think people are going to find it hard to support them.
 
I have no problem supporting the Warriors or Breakers and they have large numbers of non-Kiwis. It seems a lot of people don't. Massive stadiums in the UK are packed every week fir football clubs that don't have that many English or local players playing. If they win, then peoploe will support them. That's what I believe anyway.
 
Rightly or wrongly, I think you're probably correct. If the Premiership-supporting Phoenix fans stop turning up because of the lack of NZ players, it would be downright hypocritical! I'm not a fan of a Prem club, but I don't think it would be an issue for me. I'd still support the Nix. The bigger concern would be on the floating support base. Would it put them off giving support to the Phoenix?
 
 
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I'd still support them but it wouldn't be the same.

a.haak

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robbwatson wrote:
Warriors and the Breakers have a significant Kiwi component, rather than "token Kiwis".

 
Not sure I agree - Breakers have three Kiwis (I think) in their top roster and the Warriors, under their Australian coach, have shown a tendency to bring in more and more Aussie lads into the team. Still a majority Kiwi team, but the stars are now mostly Australian (Price, Tate etc.)
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valeo wrote:
I'd still support them but it wouldn't be the same.
 
Fair enough. I'm not a Kiwi, so it's not such an issue for me. Australia or NZ - you're both foreign colonies and you both sound the same  
 
 
Retreats to safe distance to avoid  
 
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SiNZ wrote:

I'm not sure how to follow the argument that the AFC should help the OFC because it will strengthen the AFC's position? How would you convince the AFC that they should help the OFC? (Bearing in mind that a merger would require approval from the�membership and can't actually be otherwise forced.)



Ok, I might have jump too far ahead on this one, but it will be based on AFC's position among the other confederations (which isn't that crash hot) and also a basic manipulation of the FIFA ranking system.

The basic beginning up-shoot argument.

By assisting OFC to stand on their two feet on professional terms will enable AFC to say that there is no need for a merger because OFC is suitably capable to run things at a high enough level of competitiveness against the other confederation.

AFC and OFC position

The big picture and opinion of the rest of the football world, is that OFC is the weakest, poorest and smallest confederation that should be absorbed by AFC.

FIFA disincentives

With disincentives by FIFA (which is mainly controlled by UEFA and COMBEBOL) to restrict assistance to AFC for not merging e.g. lack of WC spots in tournaments and making it hard to make other support programmes to AFC, the pressure then falls on AFC unneccessary. AFC as you know does not want the merger because e.g. too much load, splitting the confederation to save cost, increasing financial cost. So therefore it is very understandable from their point of view.

Changing both AFC & OFC confederation strength

The best thing is to change OFC confederation strength and therefore changing the football world's opinion. We cannot change OFC size, but we can improve it's football weaknesses as well as it's financial position to do much more. So for AFC, without actually merging and hereby avoid a White Elephant on their behalf, AFC and OFC could have joined incentives to improve both confederations strength and create a win-win situation, without actually merging.

AFC is the next weakest confederation

At the moment, it is very much considered that AFC is relevantly the next weakest confederation after OFC because that despite their top 5 sides doing so and so at World Tournaments, Africa and North America are a jump ahead with better results. That is why the CWC tournament is a semi-graded event and the World Tournaments (not just the men's world cup but also the age groups and women's) has only so much spots to give to AFC compared to the other confederation except for OFC.

Generally how active the other confederations are

Since Africa is large and therefore very hard to change and improve so AFC can't do much there as well as it being generally dangerous to travel. North America has joined programme incentives with either South America or in some cases with Europe and is not interested with much AFC interaction as they see AFC as inferior. South America has all sorts of programme incentives around the whole world but in bit and pieces. Europe are self serving with the cream of the chop and has the money and the wealth of the clubs and so they have no time for AFC. It only leaves OFC that hardly anyone wants to work with.

AFC (like Africa) has many countries, over long distances and with varying degrees of wealth. It is very difficult to run things, that they even have sub-confederation committees within the AFC to run parts of the confederation. However, OFC is seen as a worse than any of those sub-confederations and complicates their internal problems if they merge. There is absolutely no way they would even consider absorbing OFC.

Now what does the AFC need to strengthen their confederation?

An AFC problem

Outside their top 5 or 8 side, there is a large drop in football ability among the other AFC nations. There is a need to improve these third tier AFC nations to improve their confederation strength. The reality is that most of these AFC nations are poor and in very weak football state. At the moment, with New Zealand being an equivalent of 9th to 5th AFC ranked nation, the next 6 OFC countries are strong enough to foot it with their 16th to 8th AFC countries. Apparently, those countries are just as poor and lacking competition like our OFC countries (beside NZ). The cost to develop those national teams is an ongoing problem.

What is needed?

What is needed, is to captialise on the multiplying strength factor of inter-confederation games that carries large FIFA ranking points to get some of their AFC countries into the next AFC tier and up the FIFA rankings. At the same time, some of the other OFC countries can also earn large FIFA ranking points to increase their FIFA rankings.

Now you may say that it also means that other countries of AFC or OFC will go down and therefore makes no difference to the confederation. Not so, more inter-confederation games, the more FIFA ranking points available. The multiplier effect in the FIFA points formula means that the FIFA ranking points are actually inflationary in nature.

How does that work?

Remember that FIFA ranking point system accounts and awards a country a set number of won games in a year period for 4 years? The game that is won by one country is counted in the FIFA formula, whilst on the flip side, the same game that is lost by the other country is not counted by the FIFA formula because it is not one of their best games of the year. This imbalance creates an inflationary effect in the FIFA ranking points system.

By allowing more inter-confederation competition between AFC and OFC countries, will actually increases more ranking point in each country's best games and in turn increases the available ranking points within each confederations. The increased ranking points within each confederation affects their confederation strength multiplier effect that is reviewed now and again.

A FIFA committee reviews each confederation after a certain period (I think after each Men's World Cup) and "re-grades" the confederation strength multiplier within the FIFA formula.. An increase of FIFA ranking points within a confederation would sway the committee to increase the confederation's strength multiplier within the formula. This means that "intra"-confederation games in AFC and OFC could almost be (or the same par) as the FIFA ranking point available in the "intra"-confederation games in Europe and South America and therefore increases the strengthen of AFC and OFC as a whole again. This will enable the top AFC nations to eventually crack into the FIFA top 10 or at least having a consistent top 25 placing. This also means that there are more games available at a higher standard against UEFA countries teams for the top AFC sides.


In conclusion:

At the moment, the confederation strength multiplier is a biased system that awards the games within a stronger confederation greater than the games within a weaker confederation. However, the inter-confederation games has a multiplier effect and it's value is inflationary and allows both confederation to increase their overall confederation strength at the next review. This will leads to a re-grading of the confederation strength and leads to more points available within each confederation for the other lower ranked nations as well as giving the top AFC and OFC countries an increase in points to make a general move up the FIFA ranking ladder and creating more higher quality games available in the future. Again helping AFC and also OFC nations in achieving higher quality games with other confederations countries.
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If a New Zealand team can't field New Zealand players then there is no point in having a side.

Normo's coming home

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Still think that OFC should pursuit an Oceania professional League rather than A-league.
 
There is no way in the world there will ever be a sustainable Oceania professional league. Even if someone stumps up the cash to get it started.
 
Everyone could list a 1000 reasons why it couldn't happen, how about listing some reasons it could?
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james dean wrote:

If a New Zealand team can't field New Zealand players then there is no point in having a side.

 
Thats a bit small town minded aye.
A little island attitude
The side represents Welly and NZ no matter whos in it.
Q. How many NZ nix players are good enough to make it into the other A league sides?
They shouldn't be in the A league if they are not good enough
 
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Still think that OFC should pursuit an Oceania professional League rather than A-league.
 
There is no way in the world there will ever be a sustainable Oceania professional league. Even if someone stumps up the cash to get it started.
 
Everyone could list a 1000 reasons why it couldn't happen, how about listing some reasons it could?
 
Oceania will be the death of NZ Football, GET OUT QUICK!!!!
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Still think that OFC should pursuit an Oceania professional League rather than A-league.

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There is no way in the world there will ever be a sustainable Oceania professional league. Even if someone stumps up the cash to get it started.

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Everyone could list a 1000 reasons why it couldn't happen, how about listing some reasons it could?

Rugby cant maintain a professional domestic competition, no way in hell football will

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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Hard News wrote:

auskiwi wrote:
Oceania will be the death of NZ Football, GET OUT QUICK!!!!
No chance, zip, nil, nada.


Where's your spirit of adventure News? Screw OFC, we're getting out, screw AFC, we're joining UEFA...we'll play England, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, The Netherlands, learn skills and tactics from them, and win the World Cup in 2018.

Easy as.
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