AFC President message to FFA: no NZ teams by 2011

Why aren't you the CEO of NZF?

Stoopid politics. Otherwise...

Well, it wouldn't be the United Nations of Auckland City would it ?

I dont know ...I wait expectantly for the better informed to tell me....

 

You Baiter can keep playing with your blocks...

Uncle OZ, I'm talking about the Phoenix. james dean2008-12-11 23:24:13

Pretty much summed up my thoughts james dean.

I would still support them though - but like I said before, it wouldn't be the same.
valeo2008-12-12 00:46:00

Yeah I saw that. It seems like being a complete asshole is the main pre requisite for being preisdent of FIFA so he's probably a shoe in.

He's going to seriously going to pull the pant off OFC if he gets to be FIFA president. I really couldn't be more peeve about all this. OFC definitely voting for Michel Platini. Sepp Blatter knows that Michel Platini has good intentions with the whole of football. Bin Hammam cares only for his precious AFC. I could only see problems for UEFA, Africa and OFC if he gets his way.

I hope that Wellington Phoenix wins a couple of titles before 2011 and prove that they still should belong in the A-league after 2011. WP definitely won't be playing ACL ever. But I really can see why they can't keep them as part of A-league as they are now because they want some selfish inflexible rule to exist.

Either an Australian team with maximum three New Zealanders to play with them or the club has to disappear. What a crotch.

It seems that the whole football establishment hate Oceania and any of their teams.

1.) no OFC clubs in CWC.
2.) still a half-place in the Men's World Cup Finals (not in any other FIFA tournament.
3.) no club based in oceania will play in A-league because it is in AFC territory.
4.) WP was ruled out playing in O-league.
5.) WP was ruled out playing in ACL.
6.) WP was ruled out playing in A-league after 2011 if it is not relocated in Australian territory.
7.) WP was ruled out playing New Zealand players as non-import players in the future of A-league.

Wellington Phoenix, the strongest ever soccer club in New Zealand is getting hose down by football bureaucrats in FIFA and in AFC.

So. . . where is that Oceania professional league? "One Confederation: One professional league" with import players classified as outside the Confederation and so allows player movement in the league. (I really have to place that comment about it here). This has to be the OFC's future or nothing can ever be done at all to improve our confederations standing in FIFA and the rest of the world.
AllWhitebelievr2008-12-12 03:15:53

I think our only chance is appealing to FIFA to extend the current concession, although that may be difficult seeing as the two are closely aligned.  Our only hope really is to obby FIFA that this will lead to the death of Oceania football.

Another hope would to take it up with the International Sport Arbitration Council and should it fails that, then take it up with the International Courts. We are sure of getting plenty of sympathy around the world and pressure on the football bureaucrats.

But I think that we need that "special" concession from FIFA.

Doesn't really add anything to the argument, other than maybe to reinforce what SiNZ is saying, but in 1986 Liverpool were the first team to win the FA Cup Final without a single English player in their team.

I don't see how this one confederation, one league system could work. How would we get crowds in, where would we get money from, how would we deal with the huge travel costs???

Travelling by boat...

SiNZ for me there is a fundamental difference. Liverpool (to whom I do have a familial link, my step father is from liverpool and has trialled for liverpool) has the opportunity to pick anyone who they want.

If the phoenix have the obligation to consider new zealanders as foreigners at the same level as say brazilians, then that is a farcical situation and should not exist. And I don't think that the club sould exist if that is the case.

and there is a fundamental difference in my mind.

A  question...

1, why don't we just leave Oceania and join Asia.....Australia did just that without too many problems

Have you read any of the previous pages ?

Maybe we should proclaim it a clusterf**k and move on

You're new to this forum, aren't you?

There are about a dozen threads on this subject, covering us leaving Oceania, Oceania merging with Asia and a whole lot of other things that FIFA are just not going back.

Have a nosey in News and NZ football as well as in here.

Have we actually discussed this option though? With FIFA ending the rotation policy, we could hold Asia to ransom over voting for any potential Asian hosts. No Phoenix, no vote.
Critical_Lemon2008-12-12 16:45:32

But we are not Oceania - just one country in a confederation that as a whole, gets bugger all from the A-league. So I guess the other OFC nations would need a lot of greasing up from our part to even consider something like that.

See the point above.

To start the greasing the Phoenix could offer to represent Oceania in the World club champs.

Oh boy, you really are a newbie. There's about a trillion threads relating to this, and Tony P is on record as saying that the Nix have given up on the potental path to the CWC through the O-league.

And besides, that move would only piss off othe Oceania countries (as it did for the big fish in the NZFC), so it would hardly count as greasing them up.

It doesn't look like you have read all the previous pages the best example is Toronto is part of the same confederation as the US while the Phoenix are not part of the same confederation as Australia.

Paraphrase of the main points:
-Phoenix are part of a different confederation then Australia, only club in the entire world with this problem. (Debatable, New Caledonian and Tahitian clubs participate in the French Cup but are not trying to qualify for the CL)
-He wants us gone in 2011 because thats when FIFA said we were allowed to be in the A-league.
-If we want to stay in the A-league we must count NZers as foreigners. No solution to this in his words "Absolutely not, absolutly not."
-Asia generally hates us (and Australia but they are financial a good market) so getting the amount of votes required to merge with Asia would be next to impossible.
-We are an Australian club so cannot particiapte in the O-League but cannot particiapte in the AFC mainly because... well there is no real logical reason

Proposed solutions:
-One confederation, one league. (AWB crazy solution)
-Merge with AFC
-Split Asia and Oceania into two meaning that there will be a south-east Asia confederation and a Western confederation. We would be apart of the South-East Asia confederation.
-NZ joining AFC alone, destroying OFC.

I think thats all of the main points if I have missed out anything just tell me and I will include it in. If you want me to explain a point further just ask.

wellyphoenixfan2008-12-12 17:48:03

Does the OFC care enough about the Wellington Phoenix to want to push it? Perhaps someone in FIFA would say to the OFC "no more development funding for Pacific island nations then" - a much bigger issue for the OFC than the Phoenix.

No.  Tahitian and New Caledonian clubs play in the French cup. 

Yep, exactly what I meant by my comment above.

The OFC doesn't have one opinion they are all over the show they say they do, then they say they want Phoenix to represent the O-League (despite Tony P already saying they won't) then they say they want a Auckland-based Pacific Islands team.