Alternative Wellington Stadium

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over 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Basin has too many problems for parking and access, it's okay for small cricket crowds and the odd one off event but every second week would be too much, the locals are also opposed to lights being put in.

the Mount Victoria residents association are opposed to everything
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over 9 years ago

If you remove all clouded nostalgia, the Basin should be replaced by a street. With the money we saved by building crazy bypass structures and the economic costs of blocking traffic, we could build the most amazing stadium with a roof, heated seats and garage project beer taps integrated in every multicolored seat.

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LG
over 9 years ago

Surge is right, we don't have much heritage here. The Basin Reserve is rated as one of the worlds top ten roundabouts. We should pay for a bypass by charging tourists to drive round it.

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over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

Ryan wrote:

Surge is right, we don't have much heritage here. The Basin Reserve is rated as one of the worlds top ten roundabouts. We should pay for a bypass by charging tourists to drive round it.

Worlds worst roundabout now thanks to the traffic lights tbh.

(not saying that it's badly designed as a road facility, it's just not really a roundabout at all anymore, its functioning better than ever thanks to the Arras tunnel though)


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over 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Basin has too many problems for parking and access, it's okay for small cricket crowds and the odd one off event but every second week would be too much, the locals are also opposed to lights being put in.

Meh, you buy next to a sports ground, then you'd have to reasonably expect lights to go in at some point. So the locals can piss off. 


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over 9 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Basin has too many problems for parking and access, it's okay for small cricket crowds and the odd one off event but every second week would be too much, the locals are also opposed to lights being put in.

Meh, you buy next to a sports ground, then you'd have to reasonably expect lights to go in at some point. So the locals can piss off. 

To be honest, the only people who have grounds to complain about lights were the ones who lived there before the Basin was turned into a cricket ground back in 1868.


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over 9 years ago · edited over 9 years ago · History

Just saying it would be a heck of a battle to build a stadium that's going to have 8 - 10k people thronging to it every second week when Cricket NZ / the Wellington stadium trust can't even get lights in for a handful of day night cricket matches a year.

And yes NIMBYs have ruined a lot of things, like when an apartment block was built next to the Matterhorn in the late 90s and complained about the noise, so it had to stop being a great live venue (which opened in the 60s) and instead became a restaurant. Also those apartment owners in Thorndon that sued the cathedral because the bells were annoying.

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LGMartomj
over 9 years ago

Well, I'd extend that to 1878 - the first year any sport was played under lights. 

If anybody has lived there since before 1878, then they couldn't have reasonably expected that there might be lights installed in the sports ground when they purchased the house. 


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over 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

To be honest, the only people who have grounds to complain about lights were the ones who lived there before the Basin was turned into a cricket ground back in 1868.

It also depends on agreements made.

If the basin owners said there wont ever be lights, and they wont turn it into another sports stadium, and then they build a football stadium with lights, you'd have the right to be miffed.

I'd be stoked if I owned an apartment there as you wouldn't have to travel far to games.  But if you couldn't sleep all week because of the lights for a day night one dayer, after it was promised it wouldnt happen, I could empathise with that.

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over 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Basin has too many problems for parking and access, it's okay for small cricket crowds and the odd one off event but every second week would be too much, the locals are also opposed to lights being put in.

the Mount Victoria residents association are opposed to everything

They are what's known as CAVES - Citizens Against Virtually Everything.

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over 9 years ago

harrymc wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Basin has too many problems for parking and access, it's okay for small cricket crowds and the odd one off event but every second week would be too much, the locals are also opposed to lights being put in.

the Mount Victoria residents association are opposed to everything

They are what's known as CAVES - Citizens Against Virtually Everything.

yeah, them "cavebats"



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over 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

harrymc wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Basin has too many problems for parking and access, it's okay for small cricket crowds and the odd one off event but every second week would be too much, the locals are also opposed to lights being put in.

the Mount Victoria residents association are opposed to everything

They are what's known as CAVES - Citizens Against Virtually Everything.

yeah, them "cavebats"

They have resource consent for upgrading lights to international cricket standards, I beleive. 

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over 9 years ago

harrymc wrote:

They are what's known as CAVES - Citizens Against Virtually Everything.

My understanding was that C stood for something else - which rhymes with runts.
E + R + O

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over 9 years ago

Everyone here seems to be against NIMBYs - that is until something they don't like is being proposed to be built next their home and they become one.

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over 9 years ago

Except me. Only things I dont want is a gang hq or something very noisey. However, a stadium is fine by me.

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over 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Everyone here seems to be against NIMBYs - that is until something they don't like is being proposed to be built next their home and they become one.

naturally people try and defend their way of life - so yeah sure everyone can be a bit defensive sometimes.

A nimby however would be someone who base level has no real issue with the development that has been proposed, but they just don't want it done near them - those are the people who are annoying.

people who are ignorant and don't get sport etc etc can be ignored, but people who can see the benefit but are like, yeah na not there thanks are the ones who are super frustrating.

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Marto
over 9 years ago

Yeah, like complaining about cycleways, which saves lives, reduces congestion, and makes the community healthier, because they don't like the fact that it narrows the roads (but is still wide enough for two cars comfortably)

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Ryan wrote:

Yeah, like complaining about cycleways, which saves lives, reduces congestion, and makes the community healthier, because they don't like the fact that it narrows the roads (but is still wide enough for two cars comfortably)

the SKY path in Auckland was an interesting one - community groups on both sides of the bridge complained about it, complaints like it will bring more foot traffic etc etc.

Seriously? more foot traffic?  talk about glass half full, how about on the positive side less actual traffic!!


People complaining about how much it cost and where that money was coming from was slightly more understandable.

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over 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Yeah, like complaining about cycleways, which saves lives, reduces congestion, and makes the community healthier, because they don't like the fact that it narrows the roads (but is still wide enough for two cars comfortably)

Not if they are like the one in Island Bay that is just madness.

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over 9 years ago

ballane wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Yeah, like complaining about cycleways, which saves lives, reduces congestion, and makes the community healthier, because they don't like the fact that it narrows the roads (but is still wide enough for two cars comfortably)

Not if they are like the one in Island Bay that is just madness.

that's exactly what I was referring too, of like to see more cycle ways like it around the city where space allows.
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Rammtallica - Part 2
over 9 years ago

There might be room opposite Te Papa and behind the Reading Cinema for a Small rectangular stadium soon.

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over 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

There might be room opposite Te Papa and behind the Reading Cinema for a Small rectangular stadium soon.

But what about parking?

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BullionConanTroutmanpaige478
over 9 years ago

Plenty of places in Wngtn to build a boutique stadium. Just bulldoze a hillside on the periphery. Karori. Makara. Crofton Downs. J'ville. Hutt Valley....

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I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

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over 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

There might be room opposite Te Papa and behind the Reading Cinema for a Small rectangular stadium soon.

But what about parking?

Compact available.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

There might be room opposite Te Papa and behind the Reading Cinema for a Small rectangular stadium soon.

But what about parking?

Compact available.

Perfect opportunity for an underground parking (under the pitch) free of charge with a game ticket.



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over 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Surge is right, we don't have much heritage here. The Basin Reserve is rated as one of the worlds top ten roundabouts. We should pay for a bypass by charging tourists to drive round it.

Worlds worst roundabout now thanks to the traffic lights tbh.

(not saying that it's badly designed as a road facility, it's just not really a roundabout at all anymore, its functioning better than ever thanks to the Arras tunnel though)

It's no worse then the Oval in London which also happens to be very close to London Waterloo train station.  It has traffic issues NZ as a whole could only dream about.

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over 9 years ago

Marto wrote:

It's no worse then the Oval in London which also happens to be very close to London Waterloo train station.  It has traffic issues NZ as a whole could only dream about.

Do you mean Vauxhall station? The Oval is about 2 miles from Waterloo.

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over 9 years ago

A roundabout can have traffic lights, I remember much controversy a few years ago when NZ Roading Engineering magazine gave a company it's prestigious innovation award for designing and building a roundabout with traffic lights. The controversy wasn't because a roundabout cannot have traffic lights, the controversy was because it wasn't particularly innovative.

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about 9 years ago

Mike Cockerill on need for purpose-built stadia in the A-League:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/why-aleague-nee...

He's giving the thumbs up to Christchurch-based Russian multi-millionaire Slava Meyn who plans to add a football stadium to his existing Christchurch portfolio of football academy in Yaldhurst, Christchurch United club side and Dutch and Brazilian coaching staff.

"Maybe Slava Meyn has a solution. A Russian businessman who eventually wants to construct a boutique stadium near Christchurch airport in New Zealand to go with his academy, Meyn isn't interested in a quote from local builders. Instead he's gone to China, sourced the products he needs, and intends to have them certified to NZ standards before shipping them to Christchurch to be re-assembled. I had a look at his plans and his facilities last year, and he gets my vote."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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about 9 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Mike Cockerill on need for purpose-built stadia in the A-League:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/why-aleague-nee...

He's giving the thumbs up to Christchurch-based Russian multi-millionaire Slava Meyn who plans to add a football stadium to his existing Christchurch portfolio of football academy in Yaldhurst, Christchurch United club side and Dutch and Brazilian coaching staff.

"Maybe Slava Meyn has a solution. A Russian businessman who eventually wants to construct a boutique stadium near Christchurch airport in New Zealand to go with his academy, Meyn isn't interested in a quote from local builders. Instead he's gone to China, sourced the products he needs, and intends to have them certified to NZ standards before shipping them to Christchurch to be re-assembled. I had a look at his plans and his facilities last year, and he gets my vote."

Should have something like the Stadion An der Alten Försterei - mostly standing so much cheaper. Going on Cockerill's measurement that stadium cost AU$963.48 per "seat".
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about 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Mike Cockerill on need for purpose-built stadia in the A-League:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/why-aleague-nee...

He's giving the thumbs up to Christchurch-based Russian multi-millionaire Slava Meyn who plans to add a football stadium to his existing Christchurch portfolio of football academy in Yaldhurst, Christchurch United club side and Dutch and Brazilian coaching staff.

"Maybe Slava Meyn has a solution. A Russian businessman who eventually wants to construct a boutique stadium near Christchurch airport in New Zealand to go with his academy, Meyn isn't interested in a quote from local builders. Instead he's gone to China, sourced the products he needs, and intends to have them certified to NZ standards before shipping them to Christchurch to be re-assembled. I had a look at his plans and his facilities last year, and he gets my vote."

Should have something like the Stadion An der Alten Försterei - mostly standing so much cheaper. Going on Cockerill's measurement that stadium cost AU$963.48 per "seat".

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I believe the Union Berlin fans even had a working bee to upgrade the ground a few years ago

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about 9 years ago

politics destroy football. perhaps we should play running man, no stadiums needed only pay per view

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over 8 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

tell Jacinda it will be worth a few votes. It'll be policy by Monday

Will she ACT on that?

 "Dubbed Project Kupe, the $1 billion project"   

Its only 1 billion, a drop in the tax bucket. Just need to re-mane it Kupenida Project.  

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over 8 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

tell Jacinda it will be worth a few votes. It'll be policy by Monday

Will she ACT on that?

 "Dubbed Project Kupa, the $1 billion project"   

Its only 1 billion, a drop in the tax bucket. Just need to re-mane it Kupenida Project.  

If they do go through with this, I wonder if they could implement a pitch. Could use a 12,000 seater indoor stadium. Doubt it though on both counts of the pitch and the actual construction

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over 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

There might be room opposite Te Papa and behind the Reading Cinema for a Small rectangular stadium soon.

But what about parking?

Earmarked for a supermarket 

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