Alternative Wellington Stadium

austin111

The A League have to get realistic or they are going to drive clubs under. Its ridiculous seeing these tiny crowds in huge cavenous mega stadiums. Its also a huge waste of money.
Anybody got any ideas on where the Nix could move to quickly.?
You could fit 3000 into Newtown park. Scaffold seating on the bank would help. The pitch is ok but there are no TV quality flood lights. Parking sucks too. But it would be cheap to hire.

there are no venues in the Welligton region that meet the leagues requirements for media, tv, and facilities for the teams. End of!

Up the table will probably help. 😅

Sorry, I had to. It was right there for the taking.

YoungHeartHM

austin111 wrote:

Anybody got any ideas on where the Nix could move to quickly?...

Up the table will probably help. 😅

Sorry, I had to. It was right there for the taking.

And you’re not wrong. 
The crowd was double in October. 
The crowd for Wrexham was over 20k. 
If we get on a run with these new reinforcements we can lure a few back with any luck. 

Was wondering with the changes that have been made to RMA if that is going to make the development of a smaller stadium easier. No need to try and get through endless resource consent approvals. 

Brisbane av crowd last season just under 5.5k
This season to date 7.5k with biggest crowd last game against Auckland 9.5k

Be interesting to see what happens to crowds rest of the season

They sit 4th, but ain’t that entertaining. Ain’t no crowd pullers like a Broich or Berisha from the Roarcelona glory seasons 

Valkanis came in, promising a return to better days, was a bit of a pre season buzz in QLD, they started the season well, and yeah crowds have been up

Maybe some learnings there for Dome and Welnix on how to get some fans to return, if not this season, then next

Are the ALM and ALW requirements different? Or are you excluding Porirua Park based on earlier discussions here about the men needing to be based in the city?

Honestly with the amount of money we must be losing at Sky Stadium every weekend, smaller crowds at Porirua might still be a net financial win.

Simon B

theprof wrote:

there are no venues in the Welligton region that meet the leagues requirements for media, tv, and facilities for the teams. End of!

Are the ALM and ALW requirements different? Or are you excluding Porirua Park based on earlier discussions here about the men needing to be based in the city?

Honestly with the amount of money we must be losing at Sky Stadium every weekend, smaller crowds at Porirua might still be a net financial win.

I think, I dont know, that the requirements for the Womens games are easier to meet hence they play at Porirua and the men do not.

I’m not sure of the full requirements of the stadium criteria. There are no doubt certain requirements regarding press facilities, var etc etc.

Believe stadium capacity (10k?) used to be one in the old days but struggle to see how that could be one with Westerns capacity last year (unless they had some sort of exemption)

Anyway whatever the requirements are they need to be loosened in the A leagues current climate to ensure each club’s survival.

Personally I would prefer watching a team on the box in a 5k, preety full stadium verses 5k in a westpac. Attending the game likewise.

Really important that the A league act quickly on this for certain clubs before it is too late.

Better to have a tiny house then no house at all.

Simon B

theprof wrote:

there are no venues in the Welligton region that meet the leagues requirements for media, tv, and facilities for the teams. End of!

Are the ALM and ALW requirements different? Or are you excluding Porirua Park based on earlier discussions here about the men needing to be based in the city?

Honestly with the amount of money we must be losing at Sky Stadium every weekend, smaller crowds at Porirua might still be a net financial win.

Porirua would be a nightmare for mens games even if it was possible to go there. Even if you take just 3000 trying to get in  the parking and transport hassles created would be a nightmare.  If crowds got back to 5/6k it just flat out wouldnt work.

AucklandPhoenix

I’m not sure of the full requirements of the stadium criteria. There are no doubt certain requirements regarding press facilities, var etc etc.

Believe stadium capacity (10k?) used to be one in the old days but struggle to see how that could be one with Westerns capacity last year (unless they had some sort of exemption)

Anyway whatever the requirements are they need to be loosened in the A leagues current climate to ensure each club’s survival.

Personally I would prefer watching a team on the box in a 5k, preety full stadium verses 5k in a westpac. Attending the game likewise.

Really important that the A league act quickly on this for certain clubs before it is too late.

Better to have a tiny house then no house at all.

Problem being at the moment we dont have a tiny house suitable for the mens game.
Lets just hope the rumor floating around turns into something solid or should i say rectangular.

As a season ticket holder, bring it on.
As a rate payer; please don't make Sky Stadium more of a white elephant :/

theprof

interesting, melrose park backs onto the zoo, as you can see there are walkways down towards newtown park, but the key issue would be getting a few thousand people in and out of the carpark timely and safe way.

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Where the red arrow goes is a bushtrack, so you could make that into a walkway to Newtown park, but the issue remains how you get the vehicles to the car park. Sutherland street would need some work, and if you were going to come in through the parking behind Newtown park then the Zoo would need to lose a lot of ground.

Yellow Fever woild scare the shark out of the Otters. 

We could rename the team to the Tigers so their roars would add the flavour.

I’d still plump for JC stadium (obviously biased). But if they did the following:

1) build a 3-4K (ideally it would be 5k) seater stand on the eastern side eventually with integrated hospitality. This could be temp stand in the interim 
2) seal the northern portion behind the goal and put some a lightweight roof for catering facilities. Similar to that at brewtown
3) build temp hospo facilities and upgrade the toilets (new toilets would also need to be provided in the new stand)
4) stop all parking to the north eastern car park to allow that to be a bus turning area (as well as team bus parking).
5) regular shuttle runs from Porirua station and cbd (adjacent to Kai tahi) and the stadium to minimise those driving. Those who do can use south western parking and use a new entrance.
6) upgrade entrance, would need to be widened and have proper turnstiles there and off gear terrace?
7) lighting would be the question for me. I can’t recall if they got an upgrade like Newtown did for the WWC? That may be one of the requirements that the APL would insist on, but not the end of the world.

Sorted 😂😎

Porirua would not work.  I have had to park half a km away to watch club rugby and a crowd of barely a 1000.  

Rumour in cricket circles that next season there will be a football pitch at Fraser Park on the opposite side of the building there from the artificial where the academy currently train. Right on the current main cricket pitch. 
Cricket to move out of the building back to their old one.  And a new main cricket pitch over the hill outside the old pavilion.  Pitch to be used for women instead of Porirua. Temporary seating on four sides.  No floodlights

Walsall Boy

Rumour in cricket circles that next season there will be a football pitch at Fraser Park on the opposite side of the building there from the artificial where the academy currently train. Right on the current main cricket pitch. 
Cricket to move out of the building back to their old one.  And a new main cricket pitch over the hill outside the old pavilion.  Pitch to be used for women instead of Porirua. Temporary seating on four sides.  No floodlights

Already seems there is some work going on there for something.

Walsall Boy

Porirua would not work.  I have had to park half a km away to watch club rugby and a crowd of barely a 1000.  

 
Well yeah, that’s why I suggested the changes. It would be easily workable if these were done. Stadiums in smaller places elsewhere. It is of course not going to happen, but I can dream. I still think they need to develop JC anyway, regardless of nix.

ballane

Simon B

theprof wrote:

there are no venues in the Welligton region that meet the leagues requirements for media, tv, and facilities for the teams. End of!

Are the ALM and ALW requirements different? Or are you excluding Porirua Park based on earlier discussions here about the men needing to be based in the city?

Honestly with the amount of money we must be losing at Sky Stadium every weekend, smaller crowds at Porirua might still be a net financial win.

Porirua would be a nightmare for mens games even if it was possible to go there. Even if you take just 3000 trying to get in  the parking and transport hassles created would be a nightmare.  If crowds got back to 5/6k it just flat out wouldnt work.

ballane

Simon B

theprof wrote:

there are no venues in the Welligton region that meet the leagues requirements for media, tv, and facilities for the teams. End of!

Are the ALM and ALW requirements different? Or are you excluding Porirua Park based on earlier discussions here about the men needing to be based in the city?

Honestly with the amount of money we must be losing at Sky Stadium every weekend, smaller crowds at Porirua might still be a net financial win.

Porirua would be a nightmare for mens games even if it was possible to go there. Even if you take just 3000 trying to get in  the parking and transport hassles created would be a nightmare.  If crowds got back to 5/6k it just flat out wouldnt work.

ballane

Simon B

theprof wrote:

there are no venues in the Welligton region that meet the leagues requirements for media, tv, and facilities for the teams. End of!

Are the ALM and ALW requirements different? Or are you excluding Porirua Park based on earlier discussions here about the men needing to be based in the city?

Honestly with the amount of money we must be losing at Sky Stadium every weekend, smaller crowds at Porirua might still be a net financial win.

Porirua would be a nightmare for mens games even if it was possible to go there. Even if you take just 3000 trying to get in  the parking and transport hassles created would be a nightmare.  If crowds got back to 5/6k it just flat out wouldnt work.

I reckon it could work. Only about 20minute walk from Porirua station, heaps of car parking down there too if they wanted to put shuttles on. 

At least give it a go for one game. Watch it sell out and create some demand to come and pay $40 to see the nix 

giving it a go for one game isnt a reality though, at least not for this season. maybe next but either some improvements to JC or some concenssions by the league wil need to be made.

Not even for one game think its completely unrealistic thinking Porirua would be okay for even one game. Were you there with the 1300  for the last Wahnix game if so tell me where anther 1700 would actually go. It would require some form of temporary seating so that adds another cost along with media and VAR costs  which need an upgrade. Also not sure that the Norths venue would cover all the requirements to host sponsors and guests.
Also what happens if you take one game there and that game is on the back of some great performances and the venue just isnt capable of handling the numbers wanting to attend.
Could be wrong but think Porirua City Council have indicated they dont want to spend money on upgrading would imagine like other councils they have better things to spend money on

Random shower thought, if the league was played in winter, would the basin reserve been an option for both men and women?  

just a smaller version of the Sky stadium, circular.
capacity would be good, but the stands would be horrible in winter, they arent exactly nice in summer.
Again, the flood lights and facilties for media, VAR etc would need improving too.

theprof

just a smaller version of the Sky stadium, circular.
capacity would be good, but the stands would be horrible in winter, they arent exactly nice in summer.
Again, the flood lights and facilties for media, VAR etc would need improving too.

I suspect the lights may be an issue, from memory part of the reason we ended up with the cake tin was they didn't want to put lights in the basin for some heritage and or nimby reasons.

Procrastinixing

Random shower thought, if the league was played in winter, would the basin reserve been an option for both men and women?  

Nice idea, nice playing surface. I played on it once as a goalkeeper when it was used for football. They would have to rip out that silly stand design which probably cost Cricket and extra 2,000 seats and the banks to create say 12k of seating. Plus there is no parking.

Well just when I was getting used to calling it Sky Stadium looks like it's going to be called Hnry Stadium from now... Might bring in some more dyslexic fans who are excited to go to an event at the Horny Stadium? 

My suggestion:
Phase 1: Pull down half of Sky Stadium, keep seats and anything worth recycling. Build a new rectangular grand stand.
Phase 2: Do the same on the other side

ballane

reg22

in terms of quick fix, in the scenario where games / events are costing money, there are plenty of available options for limiting losses.

for example, if an event loses brings in $50k, but costs $80k, thus losing $30k per event at sky stadium, and an event brings in $20k, but costs $25k, thus losing $5k at newtown park, and operating costs are unfunded in other areas as well, you'd go with newtown park at a $5k loss.

Doubt Newtown Park would meet A League standards. If it did what a nightmare for fans to get to.

Just on observation that people used to get to Athletic Park back in the day and it was in a similar location to Newtown Park - with a similar lack of parking. Not sure how it worked back then but maybe not as bad as we might think? Lots of buses go through Newtown for example.

Gordinho

ballane

reg22

in terms of quick fix, in the scenario where games / events are costing money, there are plenty of available options for limiting losses.

for example, if an event loses brings in $50k, but costs $80k, thus losing $30k per event at sky stadium, and an event brings in $20k, but costs $25k, thus losing $5k at newtown park, and operating costs are unfunded in other areas as well, you'd go with newtown park at a $5k loss.

Doubt Newtown Park would meet A League standards. If it did what a nightmare for fans to get to.

Just on observation that people used to get to Athletic Park back in the day and it was in a similar location to Newtown Park - with a similar lack of parking. Not sure how it worked back then but maybe not as bad as we might think? Lots of buses go through Newtown for example.

it sucked.

Gordinho

ballane

reg22

in terms of quick fix, in the scenario where games / events are costing money, there are plenty of available options for limiting losses.

for example, if an event loses brings in $50k, but costs $80k, thus losing $30k per event at sky stadium, and an event brings in $20k, but costs $25k, thus losing $5k at newtown park, and operating costs are unfunded in other areas as well, you'd go with newtown park at a $5k loss.

Doubt Newtown Park would meet A League standards. If it did what a nightmare for fans to get to.

Just on observation that people used to get to Athletic Park back in the day and it was in a similar location to Newtown Park - with a similar lack of parking. Not sure how it worked back then but maybe not as bad as we might think? Lots of buses go through Newtown for example.

Sorry getting to Athletic Park and Newtown Park wouldnt be similar at all.You could get to Athletic Park using more streets than would be available trying to get to Newtown Park which would require most entering from the one point.
Can you imagine trying to get to Newtown Park mid summer on a fine day with families headed to the Zoo as well. Pass for me

Sky shared a little video of work that was done to turn the stadium back from concert venue to match ready.  It really is quite amazing.  
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1DG8HsYDH3/

Although you couldn't see the criss-crosses last week like you could at Go Media the week before, you do wonder if just as Woud go wonder about the impact of Ed Sheeran on the cross/shot that bounced in front of him, could Tuiloma have similar thoughts about the Ed Sheeran concert leading to a less than perfect surface just where it mattered most.

Having Woud having any excuses should not be allowed.

Billy T sure.

The only excuse Would has ever had is Would himself. He's a liability and we all know it. 

If it wasn't for Sail stuffing himself in his first game back, I'm sure that game would have been his last appearance for AFC.

Interesting reddit  post here with a wcc councilor, saying the stadium trust estimates 20-30 years life left in the cake tin. (With concerns about rebuild/replacement costs)