Alternative Wellington Stadium

observerfromuh wrote:
Agreed. Ballane try convincing fans to make the trip in the rain and dark out to FP, it won't work at all. theprof is right, by the time HCC has to put money into getting it up to standard they'll be amalgamated and one council so you're probably best to build a 10k rectangle seater at Waitangi Park.

They should have got a commitment for a 10k rectangular stadium the second the Nix got launched.

ballane wrote:

 observerfromuh wrote:
Agreed. Ballane try convincing fans to make the trip in the rain and dark out to FP, it won't work at all. theprof is right, by the time HCC has to put money into getting it up to standard they'll be amalgamated and one council so you're probably best to build a 10k rectangle seater at Waitangi Park.

They should have got a commitment for a 10k rectangular stadium the second the Nix got launched.

Your going to be disapointed then. Never ceases to amaze me how  people from Porirua/Kapiti and further North and LowerHutt/Upper Hutt and further North can make the trip into town when its a howling Southerly. But its to hard for the precious people of Wellington to make whats apretty simple trip to the Hutt.
Just who was going to fund this imaginery stadium.

Simon B wrote:
From Hutt City Council Facebook (annoyingly I can't find it on their website):

Simon B wrote:
Big news everyone! The rumoured temporary stands at Fraser Park are real!

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zonknz wrote:

 Simon B wrote:
Big news everyone! The rumoured temporary stands at Fraser Park are real!

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Sadly that's the rugby pitch side of fraser park where Avalon plays.

Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

Unknwn Quantity wrote:
Calling any engineers / architects ... is it possible to build something near Hnry Stadium? Like above the train lines / by the concourse?
Similar to the Melbourne setup?

I agree that around 12.5K capacity (maybe with the ability to bring it up to 15K with temp seating) would be perfect. And based on the vibe in other rectangle stadiums, I believe it could be used for the women as well - who over time should continue to grow!

Speaking of the women, I would love to see at least one game at Newtown Park. The atmosphere there for the Men's National League final was brilliant and it says the capacity is about 5,000 which is perfect. Could get the Wellington Zoo involved (and maybe the WCC re public transport? Dreams are free right?)

Unknwn Quantity wrote:
Calling any engineers / architects ... is it possible to build something near Hnry Stadium? Like above the train lines / by the concourse?
Similar to the Melbourne setup?

I agree that around 12.5K capacity (maybe with the ability to bring it up to 15K with temp seating) would be perfect. And based on the vibe in other rectangle stadiums, I believe it could be used for the women as well - who over time should continue to grow!

Speaking of the women, I would love to see at least one game at Newtown Park. The atmosphere there for the Men's National League final was brilliant and it says the capacity is about 5,000 which is perfect. Could get the Wellington Zoo involved (and maybe the WCC re public transport? Dreams are free right?)

MannyMuscatsBrother wrote:

 Unknwn Quantity wrote:
Calling any engineers / architects ... is it possible to build something near Hnry Stadium? Like above the train lines / by the concourse?
Similar to the Melbourne setup?

I agree that around 12.5K capacity (maybe with the ability to bring it up to 15K with temp seating) would be perfect. And based on the vibe in other rectangle stadiums, I believe it could be used for the women as well - who over time should continue to grow!

Speaking of the women, I would love to see at least one game at Newtown Park. The atmosphere there for the Men's National League final was brilliant and it says the capacity is about 5,000 which is perfect. Could get the Wellington Zoo involved (and maybe the WCC re public transport? Dreams are free right?)

Plenty of vacant land on the port side.... only issue there is the land is sits on. The BNZ building was prime example as to why I think there would be skepticism to build again around that area.

ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

No football one side rugby the other side.

MannyMuscatsBrother wrote:

 Unknwn Quantity wrote:
Calling any engineers / architects ... is it possible to build something near Hnry Stadium? Like above the train lines / by the concourse?
Similar to the Melbourne setup?

I agree that around 12.5K capacity (maybe with the ability to bring it up to 15K with temp seating) would be perfect. And based on the vibe in other rectangle stadiums, I believe it could be used for the women as well - who over time should continue to grow!

Speaking of the women, I would love to see at least one game at Newtown Park. The atmosphere there for the Men's National League final was brilliant and it says the capacity is about 5,000 which is perfect. Could get the Wellington Zoo involved (and maybe the WCC re public transport? Dreams are free right?)

Plenty of vacant land on the port side.... only issue there is the land is sits on. The BNZ building was prime example as to why I think there would be skepticism to build again around that area.

Walsall Boy wrote:

 ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

No football one side rugby the other side.

You misunderstand me mate.  Where they play Rugby on the natural grass in winter. That is being proposed as the pitch for the Phoenix women in the Womens A League instead of Porirua.  Means that Premier club cricket will be moved somewhere else

Tartan Kiwi wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:

 ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

No football one side rugby the other side.

You misunderstand me mate.  Where they play Rugby on the natural grass in winter. That is being proposed as the pitch for the Phoenix women in the Womens A League instead of Porirua.  Means that Premier club cricket will be moved somewhere else

I believe that Taita District cricket club have been playing there for decades - certainly long before the Phoenix Women were formed (and the men too for that matter) so why should they be moved elsewhere for a professional team ? Fraser Park is a community asset covering multiple local amateur sports clubs and I know many of their members were aghast when the Phoenix, as a professional sports club, took over the management of the council's Sports Centre there last year.

Walsall Boy wrote:

 ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

No football one side rugby the other side.

You misunderstand me mate.  Where they play Rugby on the natural grass in winter. That is being proposed as the pitch for the Phoenix women in the Womens A League instead of Porirua.  Means that Premier club cricket will be moved somewhere else

Tartan Kiwi wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:

 ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

No football one side rugby the other side.

You misunderstand me mate.  Where they play Rugby on the natural grass in winter. That is being proposed as the pitch for the Phoenix women in the Womens A League instead of Porirua.  Means that Premier club cricket will be moved somewhere else

I believe that Taita District cricket club have been playing there for decades - certainly long before the Phoenix Women were formed (and the men too for that matter) so why should they be moved elsewhere for a professional team ? Fraser Park is a community asset covering multiple local amateur sports clubs and I know many of their members were aghast when the Phoenix, as a professional sports club, took over the management of the council's Sports Centre there last year.

ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:

 ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

No football one side rugby the other side.

You misunderstand me mate.  Where they play Rugby on the natural grass in winter. That is being proposed as the pitch for the Phoenix women in the Womens A League instead of Porirua.  Means that Premier club cricket will be moved somewhere else

Yep have heard that as well but your post is the first i have ever heard its being done that side. My understanding it was going to be on the side that is currently being used for Football. Didnt think it was the intention to have anybody moved on from grounds they are currently using.

Friar Tuck wrote:

 ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:

 ballane wrote:

 Walsall Boy wrote:
Where the rugby pitch is, that is where the ALW want to play.  Kicking cricket off in the Summer

 

No football one side rugby the other side.

You misunderstand me mate.  Where they play Rugby on the natural grass in winter. That is being proposed as the pitch for the Phoenix women in the Womens A League instead of Porirua.  Means that Premier club cricket will be moved somewhere else

Yep have heard that as well but your post is the first i have ever heard its being done that side. My understanding it was going to be on the side that is currently being used for Football. Didnt think it was the intention to have anybody moved on from grounds they are currently using.

You can’t put it on the current football side (where the Weenix play) because it’s full astroturf and there’s less room to put down stands

Although there were still more than 20 years of life left in it, the stadium was considered middle-aged, he said.

“There will need to be a discussion around the long-term future of the stadium at some stage.”

The stadium has an estimated 50 years of useful life, according to the trust’s business plan from 2001, the year after it opened. The trust’s latest statement of intent from May said because the stadium has already been in operation for 26 years, it was timely to explore its longer-term future, potential redevelopment and other options.

Councillors were also weighing potential big-ticket projects that could go out for consultation, but none would proceed without a business case.


"No decisions have been made yet as to which, if any, projects will be included in that consultation and long-term plan process," Tocher said.


On the list was a new spectator stand at Porirua Park, alongside the Jerry Collins Stadium.


A region-wide sports plan last year said there might be a need to consider a mid-sized stadium, and minor upgrades to Porirua Park would be more affordable than building one from scratch.

ballane wrote:
Have just seen a post Petone Rugby put up on Facebook moaning about the HCC wanting to pull the Grandstand down at Petone Rec instead of fixing it.
Laughable in their post they say franchise sport could use with good road and public transport access. This is the   last paragraph.
"There is also an opportunity to host provincial and franchise sport here in Petone. With the Stadium under pressure  https://www.thepost.co.nz/.../wellington-stadium-says-it... Petone's central location in the region, 2 train stations, a major bus route, adjacent to Jackson street's awesome bars and restaurants Petone is perfectly placed to be the heart of sport in the capital. What a boost it would be for local businesses. All we need is a bit of deferred maintenance and some temporary seating."
Had they not all moaned and groaned so much when it was first suggested it would probably be all built and in use by know.

theprof wrote:
probably the closest to being almost ready, but the money to get it to aleagyue standard will be beyond what the council and cllub would pay. besides its a circular ground, unless the Nix owned it outright they wouldnt be able to put stands onto the turf, and the league wont allow fans that close - ie on the turf.

Bradman99 wrote:

 theprof wrote:
probably the closest to being almost ready, but the money to get it to aleagyue standard will be beyond what the council and cllub would pay. besides its a circular ground, unless the Nix owned it outright they wouldnt be able to put stands onto the turf, and the league wont allow fans that close - ie on the turf.

Probably cheaper to turn the Basin into a 10k capacity football stadium than build a similar capacity stadium at Hutt Recreation Ground. 

Rugby could use it in winter as well so maybe buy in from the Canes/Lions for a joint effort. 

ballane wrote:

 Bradman99 wrote:

 theprof wrote:
probably the closest to being almost ready, but the money to get it to aleagyue standard will be beyond what the council and cllub would pay. besides its a circular ground, unless the Nix owned it outright they wouldnt be able to put stands onto the turf, and the league wont allow fans that close - ie on the turf.

Probably cheaper to turn the Basin into a 10k capacity football stadium than build a similar capacity stadium at Hutt Recreation Ground. 

Rugby could use it in winter as well so maybe buy in from the Canes/Lions for a joint effort. 

Not going to happen can you really see people wanting the Basin turned into a 10k stadium.
Also very much doubt it would be any cheaper than building something at either Petone Rec or Hutt Rec. For me 10k is to small, a small stadium needs to be minimum of 15k with potential to go to 20k. Just dont see the point of 10k unless there is room to increase it as required.

Walsall Boy wrote:
No way is the Basin Reserve an option.  It is a cricket ground and will always be so.  We have to remember there is more than just the Nix in Wellington

theprof wrote:
except the cricket museum is at the basin, it holds records for being NZ's oldest active cricket ground, over 100 yrs as a test venue, yes the cake tin was designed to host both cricket and rugby but it's not a test venue. 
When all the stands are operational Basin can seat 15k with another 5k on the embankment. But I dont see it ever happening.