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How is finishing 10th in the Premier League considered low for a club like Blackburn?

@Leggy I think saying Tegal's "full of crap" because he thinks that using Sam Allardyce = a bad comparison for sacking a coach based on results is pretty poor.
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15th, 10th, currently 13th. Not "high enough" for new owners obviously


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15th -> 10th = improvement

13th in a congested mid-table 1/3 of the way through the season is not under-performing.

I think a lot of people who are negative towards Allardyce are clouding the issue.
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ScoobyD wrote:
How is finishing 10th in the Premier League considered low for a club like Blackburn?

@Leggy I think saying Tegal's "full of crap" because he thinks that using Sam Allardyce = a bad comparison for sacking a coach based on results is pretty poor.
 
Yep and thats all I was saying.
 
If the owners expect more then good luck to them (but they won't get it).
 
They weren't getting poor results at all. Therefore he wasn't sacked for poor results. Simple logic.
 
So yeah Leggy,thanks for the random show of love.
 
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Tegal2010-12-17 02:37:58

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/bolton_wanderers/9293595.stm
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Tegal wrote:
 
They weren't getting poor results at all. Therefore he wasn't sacked for poor results. Simple logic.
 


Oh, so he was sacked for getting good results ?? Simply illogical

Got to admit that I dont know the exact reason for his sacking, it was a surprise according to  Nelsen, but it has to be a combination of;
They don't like the man, they dont like the results he was acheiving, they have/want someone else to do a better job 

Comparing it to Ricki, the question is, will betting to the playoffs one year in 4 (if we dont get there this year) be good enough to keep him on ??
hepatitis2010-12-17 07:53:21
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Tegal wrote:
They weren't getting poor results at all. Therefore he wasn't sacked for poor results. Simple logic.
I still stand by my original use of Sam Allardyce as an example because...

...the point I was illustrating is just how tenuous a coach's position can be.

Yes, Sam was doing a good job in having Blackburn at 13th in the EPL so, no, he didn't (according to players and pundits alike) deserve to be given the boot.

Perhaps I should have said "If a reasonably successful coach like Sam Allardyce can get the sack then maybe Ricki should be grateful he's in the HAL and not managing a team in the EPL".

It's funny how we're disagreeing on something we all essentially agree on.

Incidentally, the 'official' word from Blackburn's new owners is that they sacked Sam Allardyce because they weren't happy with his record of signing under-performing (in their opinion) players. Now, I could make another comparison to Ricki here, but that can of worms was probably opened a while ago.
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Yeah,what i said wasn't meant to be argumentitive. More light-heartedly pointing out that it probably wasn't the best example to use  I think it got taken a bit more seriously than intended.
 
I wasn't disagreeing with you as such (just on the example used )

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hepatitis wrote:
Tegal wrote:
 
They weren't getting poor results at all. Therefore he wasn't sacked for poor results. Simple logic.
 


Oh, so he was sacked for getting good results ?? Simply illogical

Got to admit that I dont know the exact reason for his sacking, it was a surprise according to  Nelsen, but it has to be a combination of;
They don't like the man, they dont like the results he was acheiving, they have/want someone else to do a better job 

Comparing it to Ricki, the question is, will betting to the playoffs one year in 4 (if we dont get there this year) be good enough to keep him on ??
Yeah,they didn't like the results he was achieving for whatever reason is what i'd say. Doesnt make them bad. though thats a matter of opinion,the owners opinion is that they were bad - most people would probably (and seem to) disagree with them.
 
They obviously think Pardew will magically give them significantly better results somehow. Europe must be their aim.

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U037 wrote:
Perhaps I should have said "If a reasonably successful coach like Sam Allardyce can get the sack then maybe Ricki should be grateful he's in the HAL and not managing a team in the EPL".


Yep, agree with that.
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Ricki announced as 9th placed in the World's managers for the year as announced by World Soccer mag. It's on nzherald.co.nz
Awesome recognition. If they had a poll as the world's best captains, I reckon Ryan would go close to winning it.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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He's not in the top 5, sack him.
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ScoobyD wrote:
How is finishing 10th in the Premier League considered low for a club like Blackburn?



If you aim low, you stay low. Not saying that Allardyce is a bad manager, but he's the guy you want to have when in a scrap, not if you have loftier ambitions - his teams are generally known for fighting hard and not exactly pleasing on the eye, and that's presumably not good enough for new owners, since it's unlikely to move you up the table.

Blackburn is one of the four clubs to win the Premier league, and why is it so hard to believe that this club could regulalrly challenge for European places and play better style of football? Look at Bolton under Allardyce, and now. Allardyce is a good guy to have in certain situations and not in others. The timing of the sacking is a bit strange, but I can definitely see the reasons for it.
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If you aim low, you stay low. [/QUOTE]
 
what? that isn't an argument.
 
I have supported the toon for 16 years and we ALWAYS aimed to win the league.
 
Allardyce probably got sacked for the same reason hughton did. The owners had their eye on someone else, and just waited for a bad result or two to 'justify' it.
 
In hughtons case, the wins against sunderland and arsenal delayed the ineveitable.
 
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sir les wrote:
El Grapadura wrote:
If you aim low, you stay low.

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what? that isn't an argument.

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I�have supported the toon for 16 years and we ALWAYS aimed to win the league.

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Allardyce probably got sacked for the same reason hughton did. The owners had their eye on someone else, and just waited for a bad result or two to 'justify' it.

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In hughtons case, the wins against sunderland and arsenal delayed the ineveitable.

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Good to see people can still read with a bit of understanding.

Dear Lord.

el grapadura2010-12-17 20:50:17
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Ricki isn't signed on past this season is he?
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^^ I thought there was a massive scramble to get him to stay with the Nix after the world cup? I think he's here another 2 years? can someone in the know confirm?

Ricki, please don't play LIA next week.
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Re Sam Allardyce..The new owners Venkys know bugger all about football.Their advisor Jerome Anderson runs a player management company SEM/Kentaro and the Blackburn asst. manager is on their roster..ta da.. he's now the manager..jobs for the boys.
Maybe Sam didn't favour his clients in the past or wouldn't look at suggestions for the January wiindow so its curtains for Sam and a "yes man" in the role to shove more of the Kentaro stable on the Blackburn books?? ..who knows.We'll see..it was never about performance and always about the internal politics and business.

In other "silly season" news...
Tegal Poultry Producers Ltd have expressed an interest in acquiring 50 percent of the Nix, following recent publicity re owner Terry Serepisos and his cashflow problems. Any successful buy-in would be on the following conditions..
-Renaming the club and team the "Wellington Tegal Turkeys FC"
-Sacking Ricki and employing their advisor and spokesperson Wynton Rufer as manager.

Re recent poor player performances of late Rufer was heard to comment that he could assist the club in acquiring key players in key positions for the January transfer window.For instance, he knew of a NZ player with recent German league experience that would be perfect for the Nix....

Sauce?? No sauce, ..but they do do a range of flavoured stuffed chickens like sage and onion,apricot,portuguese barbecue...hmmmm................


  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Did auskiwi buy his 4th business? About time,now we can get rid of ricki and win the league every season

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BTW, Congratulations to Ricki Herbert, a Companion of the NZ Order of Merit in the New Years Honours List.

Not good enough for a Knighthood??
Sack Ricki!!







  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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We were all over them Tards like a rash and we only scored twice?!? RACK SICKI, HIRE ERNIE MERRICK (I hear he's going to have to leave Melbin in a hurry soon) Doloras2011-01-05 23:04:07

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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Their sack merrick thread is 227 pages longs. Most of it from Kiwi Pie
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You always know when we've had a good win because Auskiwi is absent, busy running his four businesses no doubt.

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How dare you say bad things about Auskiwi.  That is classic tall poppy syndrome. 
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StopOut wrote:

You always know when we've had a good win because Auskiwi is absent, busy running his four businesses no doubt.



Same goes for charliec.

Three for me, and two for them.

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maybe he passed go without collecting $200

                                                                        COYN    

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Buffon II wrote:
StopOut wrote:

You always know when we've had a good win because Auskiwi is absent, busy running his four businesses no doubt.



Same goes for charliec.


Poor baby Buffon II.  I have only just arrived home.  Im happy for the team when they play well which they did tonight.  Not so great last week but we squeezed out an away point.  You may think crap is acceptable but I dont,  perhaps I take pride in what I do and what my staff do,  perhaps you should rise about mediocrity and expect better at times,  or is that you are afraid to express your opinion when the team is poor.  I expect the team to play well every week,  when they do,  credit to them,  Ill be the first to say well done,  but I will also be the first to tell them when they are not doing well.
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Is it unreasonable to ask why we haven't played like this more often this season?

Normo's coming home

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I'm guessing you don't need the use of full-stops in your businesses Charlie?
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Tehehehe.
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james dean wrote:
Is it unreasonable to ask why we haven't played like this more often this season?
Dont hold your breath waiting for any decent responses and given our form this season dont hold your breath waiting for another one like tonite in a hurry.

Oh yeah and its not unreasonable to ask.
ballane2011-01-06 00:01:10

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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2ndBest wrote:
I'm guessing you don't need the use of full-stops in your businesses Charlie?


full stop is not hyphenated,  so Im guessing you are not an English teacher and neither am I.
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Jos� Saramago (R.I.P) is one of my favourite authors of all time and he used hardly any punctuation in his writing at all. Just saying...
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Silent_Assassin wrote:
Jos� Saramago (R.I.P) is one of my favourite authors of all time and he used hardly any punctuation in his writing at all. Just saying...
 
And a special nerdy shout-out to Durrenmatt, whose The Assignment has only one full stop per chapter, and Celine who was completely ellipsis crazy.
 
btw, Saramago's Blindness is hands down the most excremental novel I've ever read.
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charliec wrote:
perhaps I take pride in what I do and what my staff do[/quote]

Indeed, perhaps you're a superior being to the rest of us. On the other hand, perhaps your "staff" make the International Sign of the w**ker every time you walk past because they have a similar opinion of you to ours.

[quote] I expect the team to play well every week,  when they do,  credit to them,  Ill be the first to say well done,


But you didn't. You said not a word until B-II called you out.
Doloras2011-01-06 08:25:37

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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Really? Nothing?
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Doloras wrote:
charliec wrote:
perhaps I take pride in what I do and what my staff do[/quote]

Indeed, perhaps you're a superior being to the rest of us. On the other hand, perhaps your "staff" make the International Sign of the w**ker every time you walk past because they have a similar opinion of you to ours.

[quote] I expect the team to play well every week,  when they do,  credit to them,  Ill be the first to say well done,


But you didn't. You said not a word until B-II called you out.
While I'm not into defending Charlie, he did say he has just returned home which would imply being away from his PC for a period of time.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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PHOENIX COACH JOINS WORLD ELITE

 

Ricki Herbert reached the top of the coaching ladder yesterday after a 20-year climb when a letter from Fifa arrived telling him he had joined the elite of the world�s football coaches

The communication, from Fifa Technical Director Jean-Michel Benezet, informed the Wellington Phoenix coach he had been appointed to the Panel of Instructors and Lecturers for Fifa Courses.

The appointment, which took effect on January 1 this year, means Herbert joins 29 other coaches from throughout the footballing world on the panel.

Herbert said he was surprised, and delighted, to be put into such a category.

�Very few people in the world get an appointment like this, and I believe it is recognition for what New Zealand achieved at the World Cup finals last year,� Herbert said.

�We must have been doing something right for this [appointment] to happen.�

While Herbert is undoubtedly correct in saying it is recognition for the All Whites� performances in South Africa, it could not have happened had he not worked his way through the coaching system over a long period.

Herbert thought he had reached the coaching pinnacle on being awarded the coveted UEFA Professional Licence in June 2008 and didn�t anticipate this latest appointment.

�I suppose it is also a reward for the work I have put in over the last 20 years or so.� he said.

�It has been a long, tough battle but one I have thoroughly enjoyed.

�I have been privileged to be involved in football for so long. For many people their involvement ends when their playing career comes to a halt, but it was always my ambition to stay in the game.

�I have to thank New Zealand Football and Terry Serepisos for giving me the opportunity to do that.�

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