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about 13 years ago

We have to remember it was RH who wanted to play "total football" Not Welnix.

Welnix have not changed any culture.

It's RH fault for this season. And Lochhead.



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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

In reply to Cosimo:

a) It's certainly not that I don't criticise anyone. I'm certainly in the SHUT UP GARETH brigade, and I'm no fan of Lia or Lochhead and will not miss them if they go. Also, Manny, Siggy and Dura have sucked this year compared to previously, and I'd like more discussion on why that might be.

b) My thoughts on the coaching situation: I have none. I have no insight into what goes on in the Nix dressing room. The closest I got was watching the open training at Eden Park and all I noticed was that the passing was not much different to what it's been in games, i.e. mediocre. I suppose my main point of contention is that it's clear that the existing Phoenix squad have lost heart, but is that Ricki's fault for being a delusional goose, Welnix's for trying to shift the team culture, or the players for being lazy and/or old? 

I certainly think that a new coach might help, or it might not, but there seems to be a view that part of the role of a professional football coach is to be Nicholas Cage in The Wicker Man, sacrificed to the footballing gods in return for their favour. If we get a new coach, let it be as part of an all-around holistic approach to reform at the Nix, which will have to include somehow putting a rocket up the existing core of long-term players who have clearly lost something this year.

The other thing about sacking Ricki altogether is it means effectively sacking the AW coach (or making him part time) as well, because the Nix subsidise his wages. If Ricki gets "kicked upstairs" at the Nix (DoF or some such) while still coaching the AWs that might be a good compromise.


Surely this sums up Herbert.


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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

nufc_nz wrote:

We have to remember it was RH who wanted to play "total football" Not Welnix.


??? First I've heard that. If so, you've just given an argument for him to have one more year to finish what he's started, and made it clear that the results for this season really are of secondary importance.


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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

We have to remember it was RH who wanted to play "total football" Not Welnix.


??? First I've heard that. 

He never said that he wanted to play total football this season, he said it was his intention for the Phoenix to head towards the Phoenix playing a more attractive style of football, but never said he was going to do it this season. If anything, Welnix forced his hand into implementing the new style before he wanted to do it, and with players who were not capable of doing it. But meh, this was tried, it failed and it has been shelved, and has been discussed far too much on here in the past.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

We have to remember it was RH who wanted to play "total football" Not Welnix.


??? First I've heard that. If so, you've just given an argument for him to have one more year to finish what he's started, and made it clear that the results for this season really are of secondary importance.


Yes. Well, according to GM. The board meeting they had. Ricki said to win the league, we need to play a possession based game. Welnix said "ok then".
So RH has had a season to do it. Look what happened.... So, RICKI OUT


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about 13 years ago

What about this guy? Would fit into Welnix's budget

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about 13 years ago

we already have Ricki Herbert !



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about 13 years ago

Thought he might be an improvement

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about 13 years ago

You two go and do your homework and stop burning up your parents' data allowance.


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

LOL i was meaning the monkey pic is RH



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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

You two go and do your homework and stop burning up your parents' data allowance.

Now I'm not allowed tom play World of Warcraft its freed up a lot

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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

You two go and do your homework and stop burning up your parents' data allowance.



I already used it on porn


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about 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

we already have Ricki Herbert !

Be careful with what you say, you're treading a fine line.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

c'mon lads, i'm only playing around

i'm well aware of rule 7 or 4 or whatever it is.



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about 13 years ago

I apologise if I have broken the rules. Is it to do with animal cruelty? Sorry, I have already been told off using the name Rick Hermit. Parents havent blocked dungeons and dragons, Ill jump off and leave you all alone for awhile.

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about 13 years ago

I apologise if I have broken the rules. Is it to do with animal cruelty? Sorry, I have already been told off using the name Rick Hermit. Parents havent blocked dungeons and dragons, Ill jump off and leave you all alone for awhile.


GOLD. Yea i'll log off now as well for the day. Alright Patty ?


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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

nufc_nz wrote:

 Ricki said to win the league, we need to play a possession based game. Welnix said "ok then".

So RH has had a season to do it. Look what happened.... So, RICKI OUT


A season? Anyone who thought you could turn a team based around Siggy, Dura and Manny into a possession-based team in a single year should have their head examined. Certainly if Ricki promised he could win it this year with the squad he had he should be sacked.

On the hand, if he wrote off this season and decided to play around with Boyd, Fenton, Totori (*sigh*) et al, getting them used to The Big Time, and hunting down Hernandez's signature, in the hopes of winning the 2013/14 league... some might say that project is still on track.

If we're still cellar-dwelling this time next year, trust me, you'll hear SACK RICKI loudest from this quarter.


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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

 Ricki said to win the league, we need to play a possession based game. Welnix said "ok then".

So RH has had a season to do it. Look what happened.... So, RICKI OUT


A season? Anyone who thought you could turn a team based around Siggy, Dura and Manny into a possession-based team in a single year should have their head examined. Certainly if Ricki promised he could win it this year with the squad he had he should be sacked.

On the hand, if he wrote off this season and decided to play around with Boyd, Fenton, Totori (*sigh*) et al, getting them used to The Big Time, and hunting down Hernandez's signature, in the hopes of winning the 2013/14 league... some might say that project is still on track.

If we're still cellar-dwelling this time next year, trust me, you'll hear SACK RICKI loudest from this quarter.



I think paragraph one really sums it up.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago


people are getting too serious this season i think a bit of crazy is what everyone needs .

 

I LOVE LAMP

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about 13 years ago


oops missed the monkey thing

I LOVE LAMP

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about 13 years ago

What about this guy? Would fit into Welnix's budget


You pay peanuts....you get monkeys!
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about 13 years ago

good read http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/264082,the-breakdown-phoenix-heart-failure.aspx

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about 13 years ago

 He uses all those words to say our midfield is too bunched. Hardly riveting stuff.

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Newsflash: Phoenix midfield shit!

Saved you all 10 minutes of reading.  Thank me later.


Newsflash;  guy coaching Nix midfield does not know what he's doing!
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about 13 years ago

He's done alright in 6 years for a guy who doesn't know what he's doing! Maybe someone should send him on a coaching course or two, then imagine how well he'd do!


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

He's done alright in 6 years for a guy who doesn't know what he's doing! Maybe someone should send him on a coaching course or two, then imagine how well he'd do!

 

yeah but only if he implemented it

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

He's done alright in 6 years for a guy who doesn't know what he's doing! Maybe someone should send him on a coaching course or two, then imagine how well he'd do!


Has he though ?


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about 13 years ago

Playoffs four years in a row Including 2 fourth placed finishes and one game away from a grand final,  is quite good for a guy who doesnt know what he is doing id say, yeah. 


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Playoffs four years in a row Including 2 fourth placed finishes and one game away from a grand final,  is quite good for a guy who doesnt know what he is doing id say, yeah. 

 

Hire Ricki!

I like tautologies because I like them.
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about 13 years ago

No - in 2009/10 it was Ritchie Herbert who coached the team to the almost grand-final-if-it-wasn't-for-the-cheating-chris-payne.

So take that best year out of the calculations.


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

No - in 2009/10 it was Ritchie Herbert who coached the team to the almost grand-final-if-it-wasn't-for-the-cheating-chris-payne.

So take that best year out of the calculations.


 

Humbert Humbert (Nabokov)

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Playoffs four years in a row Including 2 fourth placed finishes and one game away from a grand final,  is quite good for a guy who doesnt know what he is doing id say, yeah. 


So basically a mid table team......


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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

nufc_nz wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Playoffs four years in a row Including 2 fourth placed finishes and one game away from a grand final,  is quite good for a guy who doesnt know what he is doing id say, yeah. 


So basically a mid table team......

 

that's what we aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare

(except this year)

I like tautologies because I like them.
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about 13 years ago

Cosimo wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

No - in 2009/10 it was Ritchie Herbert who coached the team to the almost grand-final-if-it-wasn't-for-the-cheating-chris-payne.

So take that best year out of the calculations.


 

Humbert Humbert (Nabokov)


'Scuse me.  I am not obsessed with Dolores (anymore).

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Cosimo wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

No - in 2009/10 it was Ritchie Herbert who coached the team to the almost grand-final-if-it-wasn't-for-the-cheating-chris-payne.

So take that best year out of the calculations.


 

Humbert Humbert (Nabokov)


'Scuse me.  I am not obsessed with Dolores (anymore).

She's all yours. 

I like tautologies because I like them.
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