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Australian gag, developed in the ethnic club vs A-League club debate... too hard to explian.
Basically they didn't / don't believe the A-League will last?
Crowds this season have been slightly worrying you'd have to admit. But, most people say things might improve once the rugby / AFL etc is finished so time will tell I guess!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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2 points.
1-1 draw against the Raw, 0-0 against the Mariners. We got our first win in round 6 against Sydney.
Signs are much more promising now than this time last season, without a doubt.
Thing is though, if we lose next week, then we'll have the exact same number of points after 6 rounds as we did last season. Progress?
I guess we'll just need to see what happens on Sunday though.
Realists guide to realism might be better.
Your just ignoring the fact we're playing better football though. More entertaining also. If that goal hadnt of been disallowed,you'd have no case arguing that we're on the same points as last season (and only if we lose this week). thats how fine a line you're treading with this. Performance wise we are better off than last season. This is a good thing,but you're just choosing to whinge and its kind of annoying...Go back to britain if you want world class football
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2 points.
1-1 draw against the Raw, 0-0 against the Mariners. We got our first win in round 6 against Sydney.
Signs are much more promising now than this time last season, without a doubt.
Thing is though, if we lose next week, then we'll have the exact same number of points after 6 rounds as we did last season. Progress?
I guess we'll just need to see what happens on Sunday though.
Realists guide to realism might be better.
Your just ignoring the fact we're playing better football though. More entertaining also. If that goal hadnt of been disallowed,you'd have no case arguing that we're on the same points as last season (and only if we lose this week). thats how fine a line you're treading with this. Performance wise we are better off than last season. This is a good thing,but you're just choosing to whinge and its kind of annoying...Go back to britain if you want world class football
Bit of a xenophobic attitude is it not?
Besides, Scotland, world class football?? I think not 
The goal was disallowed, and so I do have a case in arguing that we're on the same points! We can't just keep saying "IF we scored that chance..." and "IF that goal was given..." - at some point we actually DO have to score rather than just coming close a few times.
Last week and the 2nd half yesterday was no better than last season IMO, and neither was the 2nd half vs Newcastle.
I'm trying not to repeat myself, but my main issue is I think these players CAN do better. I'm not saying "ah they are all sh**", far from it. I am frustrated that we are not playing to our full capabilities more and have only 1 win from 5 games to show for our efforts this season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Yeah i thought that as i wrote it and could help but laugh myself
Sorry,just sick of the usual sort of attitude,hence the attitude back. For me its a case of performace over points at the moment,its frustrating that we arent getting the point but at least this season (unlike last season) we are playing really well and the promise is definetly there. Whereas last season we had neither performance nor points on the most part,yet we still came close to the playoffs somehow.
I also doubt any team is playing to their full capabilities at this stage,and many times actually wont. What you seem to be expecting is the perfect game,that is very rare. I personally am quite happy with the way we are playing,just wish we could finish and be a bit more consistent maybe (get rid of shockers like last weekends 2-0 loss)
So really it seems a bit too early for angst. I am happy to wait for results considering the promise that is there in our performances so far..if they dont come ill most likely be on rikis back with you if he doesnt manage to bring out the full capablities of this squad,which is playoffs
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Well I'm someone who tends to get 'angsty' over football a bit earlier than most, and some people have different ideas about what is a good performance and what isn't. I've no problem with that, but I think some of the defensiveness on this thread has been a bit OTT. Obviously some people think me saying Ricki should go is OTT and I can accept that too.
Opinions are like a***holes - everyone has one. 
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Classic thread Steve-O.
Good to see you have such passion for the Phoenix. Shame more New Zealanders don't have the same passion.
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my main issue is I think these players CAN do better. I'm not saying "ah they are all sh**", far from it. I am frustrated that we are not playing to our full capabilities more and have only 1 win from 5 games to show for our efforts this season.
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Classic thread Steve-O.
Good to see you have such passion for the Phoenix. Shame more New Zealanders don't have the same passion.
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Classic thread Steve-O.
Thats the attitude that f**ks me off. Maybe i should go beat up a melbourne supporter,or organise a fight,stab someone. Would that be passionate enough for you? I said to steve-o and retracted,but i say to you,go back to britain
Good to see you have such passion for the Phoenix. Shame more New Zealanders don't have the same passion.
Just because people are whinging relentlessy about a decent performance in a 1-1 draw that we should have won,doesnt mean there is no passion.
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Of course it is over the top, steve-o is completely ridiculous. This rubbish is poisoning these message boards. I think we need a new sub-forum that can be titkled negative rubbish and all of you guys who are unable to objectively look at a performance can just piss off there every week to complain. I'm not joking either, we'll try and get it opened before the next match
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I'm not a great fan of RH, admittedly, but I think Steve-O has raised some valid points. Its been gone over before, but some of RH's actions (or lack of them) have been perplexing and it is our right to speak about them. In just the same way we might debate the pros and cons of a certain player. TBH Steve-O seems to be the only one in this thread that is putting across his views clearly, most others level of debate is "you're wrong".
I'm quite happy to sit back and watch this discussion continue over the coming weeks. I'd be a lot happier if we were able to put together a few wins and play well over this period though.
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Yes I am not much of a fan of Ricki, or his strange substitutions etc, but this whole thread is laughable and over the top
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It obvious this thread was never to generate you any popularity there Steve-O, but then again, football is football and i'm not here to make friends either.
I think most of your points are correct, i.e. tactics, especially Ricki's decisions to play more defensive formations and hesitance to push on earlier the win.
Overall i too think Ricki should of NEVER been granted another year extension on his contract and am not satisfied with the job hes done this season so far.
IF Ricki was a new coach this season id say give him a shot its early, but we've come to expect this sort of shieza from him for a whole season now.
Granted we've spruced up the squad, but do we sit back and rest on another 100 draws this season and a lack of attacking direction?
The players have the skill, and the ability, IMO we are just lacking the staffing ability that a head coach is meant to provide. For me players are not being utilized correctly.
I think most of your points are correct, i.e. tactics, especially Ricki's decisions to play more defensive formations and hesitance to push on earlier the win.
Overall i too think Ricki should of NEVER been granted another year extension on his contract and am not satisfied with the job hes done this season so far.
IF Ricki was a new coach this season id say give him a shot its early, but we've come to expect this sort of shieza from him for a whole season now.
Granted we've spruced up the squad, but do we sit back and rest on another 100 draws this season and a lack of attacking direction?
The players have the skill, and the ability, IMO we are just lacking the staffing ability that a head coach is meant to provide. For me players are not being utilized correctly.
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Why isnt Steve-O allowed to be negative? His views are just as legitimate as most of the rubbish on here.
So my 10cents worth (this is the most enjoyable thread in months) ...
- We were decent in the first half and rubbish in the second (save the last five mins). I was immensely frustrated for most of the second half.
- That was a weak Adelaide side and we need to beat sides like that to have a chance of making playoffs.
- I think it is virtually impossible to judge a coach without having sat in the dressing room, but I do think it was strange Herbert got re-signed when he did and before our season can be assessed, I do think he plays too conservatively, particularly away from home, I dont think its reasonable to say you cant call for a coach to be sacked without being able to name his replacement.
- If Ifill's second goal had stood we'd be on 7 points and lookin pretty good.
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Steve-o and i agreed to disagree and thats fine 
. Everyones allowed an opinion.
It was the post from sanday that really grinded my gears 
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Ricki has so little pressure, he seems to be the only choice in NZ and he's now signed for another year. I think he is a capable coach but I feel that he's not so influential on players, he's not tough enough and he's tactics are quite average sometimes....I think all these lead to the players play on their own initiative on the park, so the phoenix's performance is so inconsistent, I'm not being negative here, just a thought.
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Why isnt Steve-O allowed to be negative? His views are just as legitimate as most of the rubbish on here.
So my 10cents worth (this is the most enjoyable thread in months) ...
- We were decent in the first half and rubbish in the second (save the last five mins). I was immensely frustrated for most of the second half.
- That was a weak Adelaide side and we need to beat sides like that to have a chance of making playoffs.
- I think it is virtually impossible to judge a coach without having sat in the dressing room, but I do think it was strange Herbert got re-signed when he did and before our season can be assessed, I do think he plays too conservatively, particularly away from home, I dont think its reasonable to say you cant call for a coach to be sacked without being able to name his replacement.
- If Ifill's second goal had stood we'd be on 7 points and lookin pretty good.
I was frustrated too but why is it that some people regard the 2nd half performance as a coaching failure by Ricki? For his part Vidmar is a smart man. The 2nd half was not just about us being "rubbish", it was about Adelaide putting a lot more pressure on our midfield and adopting a swarming, tight-marking defence. Added to that, injuries or not, they have got some real quality up front, certainly good enough to open us up on the break. These are the tactics that brought Vidmar so much success last season. I do not regard Adelaide as a weak team, simply one that like at least half of the teams in the league has yet to get some consistency going.
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We played with1 up front, at home, in the 2nd half. That, for me, is a failure of Herbert.
This is an Adelaide team who have started poorly AND were missing players. They were there for the taking, and we failed to take them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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We played with1 up front, at home, in the 2nd half. That, for me, is a failure of Herbert.
This is an Adelaide team who have started poorly AND were missing players. They were there for the taking, and we failed to take them.
Maybe you should say that 150 more times in 11 more pages then people might get the message
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We played with1 up front, at home, in the 2nd half. That, for me, is a failure of Herbert.
This is an Adelaide team who have started poorly AND were missing players. They were there for the taking, and we failed to take them.
Maybe you should say that 150 more times in 11 more pages then people might get the message
Maybe if you read the post I responded to you'd see that StopOut asked a question, which I answered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Must check other club forums to see if there are 'Sack Vidmar/Ferguson/Mitchell/Merrick/Farina' threads.
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There's always a sack Merrick thread.
In fact I beleieve they now throw out a cel;ebratory 'Sack Merrick' in the opening match thread of the season it's become such a tradition.
In fact I beleieve they now throw out a cel;ebratory 'Sack Merrick' in the opening match thread of the season it's become such a tradition.
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Must check other club forums to see if there are 'Sack Vidmar/Ferguson/Mitchell/Merrick/Farina' threads.
The people you mention have generally achieved quite a lot over the last couple of years, hence would be given more of a chance to turn things round.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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We played with1 up front, at home, in the 2nd half. That, for me, is a failure of Herbert.
This is an Adelaide team who have started poorly AND were missing players. They were there for the taking, and we failed to take them.
Ifill, imo, is naturally a wide player and probably feels more comfortable there. He's always going to drift out there anyway. Putting him in the middle in a 4-4-2 on a piece of paper doesn't change that. I really don't think that changing your formation at half time when you have been playing well in the first half is the greatest idea.
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Really ?
Ferguson who has had a the job for 5 games has achieved lots ? Mitchell ?
What has Farina actually achieved ?
With the exception of Ferguson those people all coach at clubs that have existed for two years longer than the Phoenix and that makes a hell of a difference in establishing a squad.
Unless I'm mistaken in the 2nd season at this club we missed the play-offs on the last day while two years behind every other club, now 5 weeks in to the season we've been competitive in most of our matches and unlucky not not to have as many as nine points so we're suddenly so sh*t we should sack the coach ?
Bollocks.
Ferguson who has had a the job for 5 games has achieved lots ? Mitchell ?
What has Farina actually achieved ?
With the exception of Ferguson those people all coach at clubs that have existed for two years longer than the Phoenix and that makes a hell of a difference in establishing a squad.
Unless I'm mistaken in the 2nd season at this club we missed the play-offs on the last day while two years behind every other club, now 5 weeks in to the season we've been competitive in most of our matches and unlucky not not to have as many as nine points so we're suddenly so sh*t we should sack the coach ?
Bollocks.
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Really ?
Ferguson who has had a the job for 5 games has achieved lots ? Mitchell ?
What has Farina actually achieved ?
With the exception of Ferguson those people all coach at clubs that have existed for two years longer than the Phoenix and that makes a hell of a difference in establishing a squad.
Unless I'm mistaken in the 2nd season at this club we missed the play-offs on the last day while two years behind every other club, now 5 weeks in to the season we've been competitive in most of our matches and unlucky not not to have as many as nine points so we're suddenly so sh*t we should sack the coach ?
Bollocks.
Ferguson who has had a the job for 5 games has achieved lots ? Mitchell ?
What has Farina actually achieved ?
With the exception of Ferguson those people all coach at clubs that have existed for two years longer than the Phoenix and that makes a hell of a difference in establishing a squad.
Unless I'm mistaken in the 2nd season at this club we missed the play-offs on the last day while two years behind every other club, now 5 weeks in to the season we've been competitive in most of our matches and unlucky not not to have as many as nine points so we're suddenly so sh*t we should sack the coach ?
Bollocks.
Obviously I wasn't talking about Ferguson - he is afforded more time because Fury have had 5 games in their history.
Brisbane finished 2 points off the top of the league last season, a pretty good achievement that all of us would be over the moon with I would've thought?
Mitchell, who knows? I don't check Perth's site so maybe he isn't flavour of the month? Still, they've won 1 more game than we have so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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SO they should have they have spent huge amounts of money, brining home three socceroos, signing Andy Todd and ex-Brazilian and Dutch national team players. With the squad they have assembled they should have won five matches by now.
As for Farina, what did second get them ? As usual they collapsed in the finals and won nothing and so far this season they have been dreadful with only the officials stopping them being the Fury's first win... and that is without considering the objectionable scumbags he's filled the squad with.
I'd rather Ricki than either of them.
As for Farina, what did second get them ? As usual they collapsed in the finals and won nothing and so far this season they have been dreadful with only the officials stopping them being the Fury's first win... and that is without considering the objectionable scumbags he's filled the squad with.
I'd rather Ricki than either of them.
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SO they should have they have spent huge amounts of money, brining home three socceroos, signing Andy Todd and ex-Brazilian and Dutch national team players. With the squad they have assembled they should have won five matches by now.
As for Farina, what did second get them ? As usual they collapsed in the finals and won nothing and so far this season they have been dreadful with only the officials stopping them being the Fury's first win... and that is without considering the objectionable scumbags he's filled the squad with.
I'd rather Ricki than either of them.
As for Farina, what did second get them ? As usual they collapsed in the finals and won nothing and so far this season they have been dreadful with only the officials stopping them being the Fury's first win... and that is without considering the objectionable scumbags he's filled the squad with.
I'd rather Ricki than either of them.
Well I'd rather finish 3rd than 7th, that's for sure. We all want to make the finals, and Farina got Brisbane there.
Perth have disappointed certainly based on their signings. We don't even know whether their fans want him out or not though? If I was a Perth fan I'd be pretty unhappy about that dismal away record, that's for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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We played with1 up front, at home, in the 2nd half. That, for me, is a failure of Herbert.
This is an Adelaide team who have started poorly AND were missing players. They were there for the taking, and we failed to take them.
Ifill, imo, is naturally a wide player and probably feels more comfortable there. He's always going to drift out there anyway. Putting him in the middle in a 4-4-2 on a piece of paper doesn't change that. I really don't think that changing your formation at half time when you have been playing well in the first half is the greatest idea.
We shoudl be starting home games with more than Greenacre up front and hoping the players behind can get up to support him quick enough, we should be taking the game to the opposition more than we did on Friday night.
Personally I think pushing Ifill further forward to play just off Greenacre as an auxiliary forward, instead of an attacking wide midfielder, would at least be a start, and I think Ifill is perfectly capable of playing right up front with Greenacre.
irnbru142009-09-07 22:07:50
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mate you should write the pessimists guide to optimism I bet it would be a best seller
Realists guide to realism might be better.
Why would realists need a guide to realism?
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We played with1 up front, at home, in the 2nd half. That, for me, is a failure of Herbert.
Ifill, imo, is naturally a wide player and probably feels more comfortable there. He's always going to drift out there anyway. Putting him in the middle in a 4-4-2 on a piece of paper doesn't change that. I really don't think that changing your formation at half time when you have been playing well in the first half is the greatest idea.
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This is an Adelaide team who have started poorly AND were missing players. They were there for the taking, and we failed to take them.
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We shoudl be starting home games with more than Greenacre up front and hoping the players behind can get up to support him quick enough, we should be taking the game to the opposition more than we did on Friday night.
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Personally I think pushing Ifill further forward to play just off Greenacre as an auxiliary forward, instead of an attacking wide midfielder, would at least be a start, and I think Ifill is perfectly capable of playing right up front with Greenacre.
I agree with you, the experiment with Bertos playing central did not work and he is either not comfortable in that role or he had a real off day.
Bertos/Daniel on the outside in a 442 and Greenacre/Ifill up front does it for me.
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mate you should write the pessimists guide to optimism I bet it would be a best seller
Yellow Fever guide to realism might be better.
Why would realists need a guide to realism?
Fixed for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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mate you should write the pessimists guide to optimism I bet it would be a best seller
Yellow Fever guide to realism might be better.
Why would realists need a guide to realism?
Fixed for you
What about the realists guide to Yellow Fever
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Friday's game should have been a lock for three points. Any side serious about making the playoffs would have burried Adelaide. The worst part about it was that Herbert blamed the entire result on a decision by the officials... he needs to get real. They lost because they played like pussys in the second half.
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I really dont think the second half was that terrible 
dont know what people are on about. We had several chances to win it (and arguably even managed to do so),was just a frustrating lack of finishing.
dont know what people are on about. We had several chances to win it (and arguably even managed to do so),was just a frustrating lack of finishing.
Seems like im the minority with this opinion though?
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No you're not Tegal, but the minority are very vocal
Normo's coming home
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Friday's game should have been a lock for three points. Any side serious about making the playoffs would have burried Adelaide. The worst part about it was that Herbert blamed the entire result on a decision by the officials... he needs to get real. They lost because they played like pussys in the second half.
I did think as I left the stadium the focus would be on the goal that was wrongly chopped off and not that by that stage we should have had a weakened Adelaide well burried beyond the point where a chopped off goal becomes the main talking point in the game.
If we are serious about doing well this year we need to play with more conviction at home and go out with the belief that we can win the game, there were good signs in the first have but think someone must have given them all some hot chocolate and read them bedtime stories at halftime...
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True,we shouldve smashed them 5-0 barcelona styles. Sigh.
Sack ricki.
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Or perhaps maybe Adelaide after getting one back just before half time came out with a lot of confidence?
We went to sleep for a bit in the second half, but I doubt there's too many games in the league this season where one team is totally dominant for the whole 90 minutes.
I don't think any of the players were like pussies in the latter stages of the second half.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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